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RE: McAdoo: 'We were all done wrong in this process'

On one last thing. What it's like to be a student athlete.
http://www.soapvoxderby.com/site/Student/Entries/2010/11/22_Duke_Student-Athletes__Chris_Marconcini.html

RE: McAdoo: 'We were all done wrong in this process'

If there are professors at UNC that think Kenan Stadium should be torn down, the they should be fired. You don't really think that applying standard as you say, will go nation wide. People love their college football. Your firm stance that all athletes must be student athletes won't happen. If it does we will be at the bottom of the ACC each year, which will not make a lot of people making their contributions very happy. I am very familiar with what football players are. Most of them are strong, violent young men. They are not even the C student you would claim should exist at UNC. That model you suggest can't be successful. UNC will be bottom hugger in a football league of teams that are playing at a different level than UNC. The model you mentioned will not work. Show me where it has. The Ivy League? Give me an example where it has worked? What you are proposing will destroy football at UNC. Maybe that's what some of the professors would like. I know it would make the Wolfpack happy. Maybe the "tipping point" for Butch was Thorpe wanting a fall guy for his own inadequacies. The players know the deal, too bad some of the fans and professors don't. 

- Posted by cussmikemeout

cussmikemeout... I'm not sure you've read any of my posts thoroughly. It is either that or I did a very poor job of expressing my thoughts... perhaps that is it. Nevertheless... if collegiate football and men's basketball continue down the road it is now going, I will cease to be a "fan". I'm not going to watch and/or support a team "representing" my University that is largely not students in any sense of the word.

But, regarding this discussion... I'm done. 

- Posted by Objective Scientist

me too.

RE: McAdoo: 'We were all done wrong in this process'

If there are professors at UNC that think Kenan Stadium should be torn down, the they should be fired. You don't really think that applying standard as you say, will go nation wide. People love their college football. Your firm stance that all athletes must be student athletes won't happen. If it does we will be at the bottom of the ACC each year, which will not make a lot of people making their contributions very happy. I am very familiar with what football players are. Most of them are strong, violent young men. They are not even the C student you would claim should exist at UNC. That model you suggest can't be successful. UNC will be bottom hugger in a football league of teams that are playing at a different level than UNC. The model you mentioned will not work. Show me where it has. The Ivy League? Give me an example where it has worked? What you are proposing will destroy football at UNC. Maybe that's what some of the professors would like. I know it would make the Wolfpack happy. Maybe the "tipping point" for Butch was Thorpe wanting a fall guy for his own inadequacies. The players know the deal, too bad some of the fans and professors don't. 

- Posted by cussmikemeout

cussmikemeout... I'm not sure you've read any of my posts thoroughly. It is either that or I did a very poor job of expressing my thoughts... perhaps that is it. Nevertheless... if collegiate football and men's basketball continue down the road it is now going, I will cease to be a "fan". I'm not going to watch and/or support a team "representing" my University that is largely not students in any sense of the word.

But, regarding this discussion... I'm done.

RE: McAdoo: 'We were all done wrong in this process'

If there are professors at UNC that think Kenan Stadium should be torn down, the they should be fired. You don't really think that applying standard as you say, will go nation wide. People love their college football. Your firm stance that all athletes must be student athletes won't happen. If it does we will be at the bottom of the ACC each year, which will not make a lot of people making their contributions very happy. I am very familiar with what football players are. Most of them are strong, violent young men. They are not even the C student you would claim should exist at UNC. That model you suggest can't be successful. UNC will be bottom hugger in a football league of teams that are playing at a different level than UNC. The model you mentioned will not work. Show me where it has. The Ivy League? Give me an example where it has worked? What you are proposing will destroy football at UNC. Maybe that's what some of the professors would like. I know it would make the Wolfpack happy. Maybe the "tipping point" for Butch was Thorpe wanting a fall guy for his own inadequacies. The players know the deal, too bad some of the fans and professors don't.

RE: McAdoo: 'We were all done wrong in this process'

There is no actual belief that returning to the 50's is an option. W. Friday's era is over. There's no real reason to think that we will be on an equal playing field with any other university, if we incorporate what you are asking for. These player that are you listed as C types,or less will go to another university and play. If we can help them achieve there goal, then we are better off than having them go to another university who may not give them the support of UNC. I guess there is a line of athletics and academics. I think we have to remember that success for both are important. Butch did the best he could with staying within that narrow margin. In my opinion UNC turned their backs and accepted pressure from media and outside sources, rather than supporting him until proven otherwise.  

- Posted by cussmikemeout

I'm NOT suggesting we "return to the 50's". I highly respect W. Friday for many reasons and value highly his thoughts and ideas, but would not agree 100% with everything he says. I thought I clearly stated that I was NOT suggesting that UNC go it alone with setting and applying standards. In ALL of my posts on this and related topics I have continually said that the application of standards must be nationwide... for all Universities. I have no problem with legitimately "helping" athletes by providing tutors and other academic support services... to a point. If a University has to hire someone to follow some athletes around each day to insure they actually attend class - and THAT IS BEING DONE - those athletes, who obviously lack motivation to be a student, should NOT have been admitted. You suggest that there is a "line of athletics and academics"... I'd suggest there are actually 3 "lines" - academics, football and men's basketball, and all other sports. Our "issues" are primarily, virtually all, with football and men's basketball. I agree that success for both is important to all Universities, but my very firm stance is that ALL athletes MUST legitimately be true STUDENT-athletes... note the order of those two words and the capital letters for one. And we can have successful, competitive, skilled and entertaining performances from our football and basketball players that we would have even if some of the truly academic deficient athletes were not admitted. THAT model can be "successful"!!! And... it is likely that if that model were in place and the clear message to the high school athlete is that if you can't cut it academically... you are not admitted - we'd likely begin to see more academically motivated high school athletes. Nothing personal against Butch... but I believe that a true "tipping point", enough negatives had accumulated, at the time of his firing that there was no other choice... he had to go.