Caulton Tudor

Doeren takes different rivalry approach than Fedora

Posted May 21, 2013

If the history of football coach hirings and firings at the University of North Carolina and North Carolina State University holds, second-year Tar Heel coach Larry Fedora and new Wolfpack hire Dave Doeren will meet six or seven times as representatives at opposite ends of the Triangle. 

Exactly how the styles of the two will differ – or perhaps parallel – won’t become completely clear for at least a season or two.

But as Doeren enters his first summer in Raleigh, one thing is obvious. He's approaching the rivalry with the Tar Heels (First meeting: Nov. 2, homecoming in Carter-Finley Stadium) entirely differently than Fedora did in his first season. 

Fedora’s “Countdown Calendar” to the Oct. 27, 2012, game in Chapel Hill was a topic of daily conversation within in the fan base and a matter of regular attention by the regional media.

Larry Fedora Fedora: This is the game

Thanks to Gio Bernard’s 74-yard punt return touchdown with 13 seconds left, Fedora’s first UNC team won that game 43-35 to end a five-season series losing streak and dodged what could have been an instant countdown to humiliation for the coach.

“They've been spending all year getting ready for us … we have to give them some credit,” State's then-head coach Tom O’Brien said.

UNC’s star offensive lineman Jonathan Cooper made an interesting, insightful observation when asked about Fedora’s mood in the locker room after the game.

“Coach Fedora, that’s the least words I’ve ever seen him have,” Cooper said. 

Off-season rhetoric – particularly at booster club fundraising events – usually gets forgotten and may not have any impact on what actually unfolds on game day.

But Fedora’s heavy, vocal emphasis on ending the Pack’s win streak left him with precious little wiggle room. With his team on probation and ineligible for bowl participation, the challenge to his players probably improved their focus and certainly their motivation to win the most important game on the 2012 schedule. But in doing so, Fedora put more pressure on himself than the players. It was risky, but it played out in the coach’s favor.

Doeren obviously prefers a broader, more reserved tactic.

While he’s hardly been shy about the significance of beating Carolina, Doeren has a good deal more on his plate in Season One than did Fedora.

For starters, Doeren doesn’t have Bernard at running back, a returning quarterback with Bryn Renner’s experience or two blockers (Cooper and Brennan Williams) with NFL potential. Scoring points could turn out to be a recurring problem.

More than zeroing in on Carolina this summer, Doeren is smart to be more concerned about taking advantage of four September games at Carter-Finley Stadium and improving a defensive unit that gave up an average 400 yards per game in ’12.

Meanwhile, Fedora is talking less about State this offseason. He’s got an offensive line to rebuild and running back committee to appoint.

There’ll be ample time for both men to lock and load come November.

NCSU COACHFIRST RESULTOVERALL VS. UNC
Tom O'Brien31-27 win in 20075-1
Chuck Amato38-10 win in 20003-4
Mike O'Cain35-14 loss in 19930-7
Dick Sheridan35-34 win in 19866-1
Tom Reed42-14 loss in 19830-3
Monte Kiffin28-8 loss in 19800-3
Bo Rein21-13 win in 19762-2
Lou Holtz34-33 loss in 19722-2
Al Michaels27-7 loss in 19710-1
Earle Edwards 20-6 loss in 19549-8


 

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  • NothingButNet May 23, 6:34 a.m.

    ^^^^^^
    That didn't make sense to me either. "Who wins/talking is cheap" ????

    — Posted by NothingButNet

    Don't discourage him, he inspires me.

    — Posted by Hammerhead

    LOL

    — Posted by NothingButNet

    Based on the time stamp, those may have been "glass half empty" posts. The non sequiturs kill... View More

    — Posted by Hammerhead

    Good one, Hammer. "Non sequitur" should be his screen name.

  • Hammerhead May 22, 5:05 p.m.

    ^^^^^^
    That didn't make sense to me either. "Who wins/talking is cheap" ????

    — Posted by NothingButNet

    Don't discourage him, he inspires me.

    — Posted by Hammerhead

    LOL

    — Posted by NothingButNet

    Based on the time stamp, those may have been "glass half empty" posts. The non sequiturs kill me.

  • NothingButNet May 22, 4:56 p.m.

    ^^^^^^
    That didn't make sense to me either. "Who wins/talking is cheap" ????

    — Posted by NothingButNet

    Don't discourage him, he inspires me.

    — Posted by Hammerhead

    LOL

  • Hammerhead May 22, 4:47 p.m.

    ^^^^^^
    That didn't make sense to me either. "Who wins/talking is cheap" ????

    — Posted by NothingButNet

    Don't discourage him, he inspires me.

  • NothingButNet May 22, 10:32 a.m.

    ^^^^^^

    That didn't make sense to me either. "Who wins/talking is cheap" ????

  • 903 crybaby May 22, 9:44 a.m.

    I agree. If TOB had recruited worth a darn, he would still be State's football coach. Heck the... View More

    — Posted by sburks1906

    It's all about total wins. NC State had one of the weakest OCC shedules in all Div. I. Great... View More

    — Posted by Sauras69

    both recruited by.....guess who?

    — Posted by 903 crybaby

    It doesn't matter when the deal is signed with recruits. It's all about the final deal and... View More

    — Posted by Sauras69

    Huh???I'm pretty sure that made sense to u.

  • jeff727 May 22, 7:05 a.m.

    Butch Davis..enough said...go Pack!

  • Sauras69 May 21, 11:39 p.m.

    I have allowed myself to go beyond 10:00 pm tonight. Slipping. It's not good for too many to stay up this late. Still pulling for the ACC in the tourney.

  • Sauras69 May 21, 11:36 p.m.

    TOB lost his job primarily because of recruitment and his talks with Yow. He didn't focus as... View More

    — Posted by Sauras69

    I agree. If TOB had recruited worth a darn, he would still be State's football coach. Heck the... View More

    — Posted by sburks1906

    It's all about total wins. NC State had one of the weakest OCC shedules in all Div. I. Great... View More

    — Posted by Sauras69

    both recruited by.....guess who?

    — Posted by 903 crybaby

    It doesn't matter when the deal is signed with recruits. It's all about the final deal and sign. Who wins? Talking is cheap. Sign it a move on. Read what Kansas basketball is doing lately.

  • 903 crybaby May 21, 11:21 p.m.

    TOB lost his job primarily because of recruitment and his talks with Yow. He didn't focus as... View More

    — Posted by Sauras69

    I agree. If TOB had recruited worth a darn, he would still be State's football coach. Heck the... View More

    — Posted by sburks1906

    It's all about total wins. NC State had one of the weakest OCC shedules in all Div. I. Great... View More

    — Posted by Sauras69

    both recruited by.....guess who?

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