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RE: A good (old) article about the cheating ways of K and Dook

Bret, don't sweat it. These clowns have stumped their toe on every corner of this topic. They have nothing except hearsay and allegations. They have not offerred any objective evidence to support their arguments asside from this 10 year old article that really says that Duke is as close as we will get to perfect. These fans keep bring up connecting dots and the use of search engines, however they are unable to objectively see who deserves the blame in this specific case, and are unable to produce any legal document to support their accusations. HOT AIR

RE: A good (old) article about the cheating ways of K and Dook

I'll give 100M dollars to anyone that really believes a coach should get wins or losses for games that THEY DIDNT COACH. Of all the conspiracies I've ever heard, this one has to be the dumbest. Nevermind, K should get wins & losses for games that he watched on his tv recouping from surgery. Makes total sense. Btw, it gets lost on people that when K left, Duke they had an 11-4 record.  

- Posted by bretttarton

Funny how K said in 07 "i should have taken those losses"...man I thought he had more power at dook...12 yrs of trying and he wasn't able to change the record...uh. sure. Some people might think that is a hypocrite talking...by the way DR Spaulding is a psychiatrist...wonder what her role was in the surgery??? hmmm...it's called INTEGRITY. If K had it, he would be a man of his word.

be sure to send the money to K

^^^nevermind...he was just talking out his azz. no real intention to step up like a man.

RE: A good (old) article about the cheating ways of K and Dook

^^^nevermind...he was just talking out his azz. no real intention to step up like a man. 

- Posted by ssjack830

Poor thing. So what you are suggesting is that A) the surgery was fake because he had a Dr that was a psychiatrist B) K has the power to snap his fingers and change the record books C) K is not a man D) K has been trying for 12 years to get the books changed

You over estimate K's power, you don't understand a psychiatrist's role in the medical field, and you define men by their ability to change official NCAA records. What is it that you do to be such a great man?

RE: A good (old) article about the cheating ways of K and Dook

The only valid reason to abandon thread is due to your goose being cooked. 

- Posted by nucdnsuct

Someone provides this guy the answer to his question and he claims a goose is cooked... Funny how you didn't site anything from that document as evidence to why Duke should have to vacate wins. Since K fought sanctions due to him and the university not knowing that Maggette recieved money that makes him a liar or cheater in some capacity... Like I have said previously, the NCAA did a full investigation and decided that Duke did not have to suffer due to the mistakes that others made without their knowledge. The speculation of foul play by these haters is simply hot air that will go no where. Can you produce any offical court document that states that Duke should be punished or is guilty of commiting any infraction? Keep on wishing on those shooting stars haters. 

- Posted by rx74u2nv

Go back and READ the documnet this time. It clearly has UCLA, Missouri and Olka St suffered, since their INELIGIBLE players didn't play, because the INELIGIBLE players got money from Piggie. Why is duke so special that they can use an INELIGIBLE guy for the entire season, who ALSO got money FROM THE SAME GUY?

Funny how obtuse dukies can be.  

- Posted by nucdnsuct

Read 2. I mean it's on the second page. It was part of the scheme to deprive these universities. It was part of his scheme to defraud the universities... Now why would the NCAA reward Piggie by punishing Duke when that was his intention. You are so dense. You want K to sanction himself and vacate his wins when it was found that defraud/deprive is specifically what the criminal wanted?

Then read the 2nd paragraph of page 3...

So you are upset that Mike fought the system and won? He knew that he was unaware of the payments, so why would he vacate wins or give up a scholarship?

You should take this up with the NCAA. Let us know how it goes. =D 

- Posted by rx74u2nv

First of all... I did read... Now I wonder if you understood. UCLA, Missouri and Okla St were deprived, I believe you stated / believe. They were deprived due to two reasons, not just one. The two reasons were that the players on those teams got money from Piggie, and the NCAA rules are that you become ineligible if you take money.

So why wasn't duke in the same group and treated the same way? duke's guy got money, just like the others, and somehow, someway (wink wink, nod nod) duke plays their player without any consequences.

Even the US government states that Maggette is INELIGIBLE....
http://www.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/02/09/012518P.pdf

It is clear that the 'system' failed. There is no mention in the NCAA bylaws that a university needs to be aware of any violations for sanctions to be imposed. Memphis was not aware. They were punished.... (i know the infractions are different, but you hang your hat on that duke didn't know, so therefore no punishment should be given, when clearly, this is not the standard /precedence)

It is also clear that maggette declared himself eligible, with his written statement that he provided duke (thus the defraud portion of the finding dealing with the US postal office.) and yes, maggette is a member of duke, and it's basketball team. Therefore, the team should suffer the proper penalties.

Duke, the team, not mike, the individual, should have had some penalties.

Just admit that duke got away with it, but is clearly guilty of cheating. There is no other way to view piggie / maggette's actions.

A good (old) article about the cheating ways of K and Dook

Bret, don't sweat it. These clowns have stumped their toe on every corner of this topic. They have nothing except hearsay and allegations. They have not offerred any objective evidence to support their arguments asside from this 10 year old article that really says that Duke is as close as we will get to perfect. These fans keep bring up connecting dots and the use of search engines, however they are unable to objectively see who deserves the blame in this specific case, and are unable to produce any legal document to support their accusations. HOT AIR 

- Posted by rx74u2nv

duke Hearsay = Sworn under oath testimony

duke clowns = People with a higher level of understanding, well, of everything

duke stubbed toes = One who is right, but us dukies can't admit it

duke objective evidence = totally unobtainable and nonexistent

duke team members = only the only that aren't caught.

duke hot air = everything that comes out of their mouths

duke intelligence = Wow,totally unobtainable and nonexistent too!

RE: A good (old) article about the cheating ways of K and Dook

Oh, and with Maggette, give me a break. My hair hurts from this foolishness. Duke's in these troll's heads. Love it. Based on their logic, if your wife robbed a bank before meeting you, you both should be charged. Please wake me when if you find info that Duke was involved in any way humanly possibly.  

- Posted by bretttarton

Was Maggette on the duke team? Did he attend duke university? Was maggette given a duke scholarship? Did maggette play in the 1999/00 season for duke? Did he wear the duke uniform? Did he travel with the duke team? Did the points he scored included the duke team totals? Did maggette provide his team with written material that he was eligible? Was this written material sent after he was given a duke scholarship? Was maggette a member of the team? Were his actions attributable to duke from the time that he was offered the scholarships?

ANSWER: YES to all. maggette was duke. That's how it works...

dukes think the problem is that maggette got the money before duke, therefore duke is innocent. The infraction is that maggette sent the letter of eligiblity AFTER getting the scholarship from duke, when, in fact, he was not eligible. (and who said two wrongs make a right... a dukie....)

BTW, dunce, the husband doesn't go to jail in any case, before or after marriage. you really need to think before you write.

A good (old) article about the cheating ways of K and Dook

^^^nevermind...he was just talking out his azz. no real intention to step up like a man. 

- Posted by ssjack830

Poor thing. So what you are suggesting is that A) the surgery was fake because he had a Dr that was a psychiatrist B) K has the power to snap his fingers and change the record books C) K is not a man D) K has been trying for 12 years to get the books changed

You over estimate K's power, you don't understand a psychiatrist's role in the medical field, and you define men by their ability to change official NCAA records. What is it that you do to be such a great man? 

- Posted by rx74u2nv

B and C are true.

As for A, don't doubt he actually had surgery

As for D, he is trying the keep them from changing the booksfor the past 12 years

RE: A good (old) article about the cheating ways of K and Dook

^^^nevermind...he was just talking out his azz. no real intention to step up like a man. 

- Posted by ssjack830

Poor thing. So what you are suggesting is that A) the surgery was fake because he had a Dr that was a psychiatrist B) K has the power to snap his fingers and change the record books C) K is not a man D) K has been trying for 12 years to get the books changed

You over estimate K's power, you don't understand a psychiatrist's role in the medical field, and you define men by their ability to change official NCAA records. What is it that you do to be such a great man? 

- Posted by rx74u2nv

B and C are true.

As for A, don't doubt he actually had surgery

As for D, he is trying the keep them from changing the booksfor the past 12 years 

- Posted by nucdnsuct

Links to these being "true." /sigh

RE: A good (old) article about the cheating ways of K and Dook

Hmmm... Not a single good response, not even a trollish one.... Looks like I'm right again.... It did end badly for the dukies. When will they learn????

Maybe they are trying to think up some additional invalid logic spins to refute.