Uh oh, possible bad news for Dook

RE: Uh oh, possible bad news for Dook

The NCAA sent letters to former Miami players who have been ignoring their requests for interviews.

In those letters the athletes were told that if they refused to cooperate, the NCAA would take the allegatons of wrongdoing as fact and act appropriately.

What does this mean?

That the NCAA will act against Dook if Lance Thomas does not cooperate with them.

That 2010 banner is inching lower and lower.
- Posted by DooksucksV3

The Miami case features a subject (Shapiro) who went on record and made detailed allegations against former players.These allegations presented by Mr. Shapiro in combination with the former players unwillingness to cooperate are what have led the NCAA to lay out an ultimatum. Who, in the Duke case, came forth to the NCAA with such detailed allegations? According to this article, the jeweler hasn't spoken with the NCAA.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/63796/lance-thomas-case-a-challenge-for-ncaa

So in theory, even if Lance Thomas doesn't talk to the NCAA, they have no direct account that Thomas did wrong otherwise. Oh, and for it's worth, Lance Thomas "has indicated a willingness to speak with the NCAA about the purchase."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ex-duke-player-thomas-says-hell-talk-ncaa

I guess what I am saying is that I fail to see how these two incidents are identical and would thus warrant such an ultimatum.
- Posted by Dr. Pwnt

Actually the court documents provide allegation that a violation has occurred.
Had Lance paid the jeweler on time, there would be no evidence of wrongdoing.

The NCAA is serving notice that it will no longer tolerate the "We don't have to talk" mantra of former players caught after the left school.

This is the only reason Thomas said he would eventually talk to the NCAA. The best bet is that he is forging some sort of documentation to try and get around the rules.
- Posted by DooksucksV3

False.

In the Miami case, the subject (Shapiro) who brought forth the allegations was also responsible for the impermissible benefits.

In the Duke case, the jeweler filed suit to obtain the remaining balance owed by Mr. Thomas for jewelry purchased while he was a student-athlete. That (the purchase), in of itself, is not a violation as long as Mr. Thomas was responsible for the downpayment. If Lance Thomas was not responsible for the downpayment, please provide your proof. I'm sure the NCAA would love to see it.

RE: Uh oh, possible bad news for Dook

The NCAA sent letters to former Miami players who have been ignoring their requests for interviews.

In those letters the athletes were told that if they refused to cooperate, the NCAA would take the allegatons of wrongdoing as fact and act appropriately.

What does this mean?

That the NCAA will act against Dook if Lance Thomas does not cooperate with them.

That 2010 banner is inching lower and lower.
- Posted by DooksucksV3

The Miami case features a subject (Shapiro) who went on record and made detailed allegations against former players.These allegations presented by Mr. Shapiro in combination with the former players unwillingness to cooperate are what have led the NCAA to lay out an ultimatum. Who, in the Duke case, came forth to the NCAA with such detailed allegations? According to this article, the jeweler hasn't spoken with the NCAA.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/63796/lance-thomas-case-a-challenge-for-ncaa

So in theory, even if Lance Thomas doesn't talk to the NCAA, they have no direct account that Thomas did wrong otherwise. Oh, and for it's worth, Lance Thomas "has indicated a willingness to speak with the NCAA about the purchase."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ex-duke-player-thomas-says-hell-talk-ncaa

I guess what I am saying is that I fail to see how these two incidents are identical and would thus warrant such an ultimatum.
- Posted by Dr. Pwnt

Actually the court documents provide allegation that a violation has occurred.
Had Lance paid the jeweler on time, there would be no evidence of wrongdoing.

The NCAA is serving notice that it will no longer tolerate the "We don't have to talk" mantra of former players caught after the left school.

This is the only reason Thomas said he would eventually talk to the NCAA. The best bet is that he is forging some sort of documentation to try and get around the rules.
- Posted by DooksucksV3

False.

In the Miami case, the subject (Shapiro) who brought forth the allegations was also responsible for the impermissible benefits.

In the Duke case, the jeweler filed suit to obtain the remaining balance owed by Mr. Thomas for jewelry purchased while he was a student-athlete. That (the purchase), in of itself, is not a violation as long as Mr. Thomas was responsible for the downpayment. If Lance Thomas was not responsible for the downpayment, please provide your proof. I'm sure the NCAA would love to see it.
- Posted by Dr. Pwnt

Being a Tar Hole he will release the info but it will take him two years to get it out. UNC is in a big mess and they would love some company but it won't be Duke.

RE: Uh oh, possible bad news for Dook

The NCAA sent letters to former Miami players who have been ignoring their requests for interviews.

In those letters the athletes were told that if they refused to cooperate, the NCAA would take the allegatons of wrongdoing as fact and act appropriately.

What does this mean?

That the NCAA will act against Dook if Lance Thomas does not cooperate with them.

That 2010 banner is inching lower and lower.
- Posted by DooksucksV3

The Miami case features a subject (Shapiro) who went on record and made detailed allegations against former players.These allegations presented by Mr. Shapiro in combination with the former players unwillingness to cooperate are what have led the NCAA to lay out an ultimatum. Who, in the Duke case, came forth to the NCAA with such detailed allegations? According to this article, the jeweler hasn't spoken with the NCAA.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/63796/lance-thomas-case-a-challenge-for-ncaa

So in theory, even if Lance Thomas doesn't talk to the NCAA, they have no direct account that Thomas did wrong otherwise. Oh, and for it's worth, Lance Thomas "has indicated a willingness to speak with the NCAA about the purchase."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ex-duke-player-thomas-says-hell-talk-ncaa

I guess what I am saying is that I fail to see how these two incidents are identical and would thus warrant such an ultimatum.
- Posted by Dr. Pwnt

Actually the court documents provide allegation that a violation has occurred.
Had Lance paid the jeweler on time, there would be no evidence of wrongdoing.

The NCAA is serving notice that it will no longer tolerate the "We don't have to talk" mantra of former players caught after the left school.

This is the only reason Thomas said he would eventually talk to the NCAA. The best bet is that he is forging some sort of documentation to try and get around the rules.
- Posted by DooksucksV3

NO. The court documents show that Lance put 30k down and then did not pay the balance owed.

Where is the violation?

RE: Uh oh, possible bad news for Dook

The NCAA sent letters to former Miami players who have been ignoring their requests for interviews.

In those letters the athletes were told that if they refused to cooperate, the NCAA would take the allegatons of wrongdoing as fact and act appropriately.

What does this mean?

That the NCAA will act against Dook if Lance Thomas does not cooperate with them.

That 2010 banner is inching lower and lower.
- Posted by DooksucksV3

The Miami case features a subject (Shapiro) who went on record and made detailed allegations against former players.These allegations presented by Mr. Shapiro in combination with the former players unwillingness to cooperate are what have led the NCAA to lay out an ultimatum. Who, in the Duke case, came forth to the NCAA with such detailed allegations? According to this article, the jeweler hasn't spoken with the NCAA.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/63796/lance-thomas-case-a-challenge-for-ncaa

So in theory, even if Lance Thomas doesn't talk to the NCAA, they have no direct account that Thomas did wrong otherwise. Oh, and for it's worth, Lance Thomas "has indicated a willingness to speak with the NCAA about the purchase."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ex-duke-player-thomas-says-hell-talk-ncaa

I guess what I am saying is that I fail to see how these two incidents are identical and would thus warrant such an ultimatum.
- Posted by Dr. Pwnt

Actually the court documents provide allegation that a violation has occurred.
Had Lance paid the jeweler on time, there would be no evidence of wrongdoing.

The NCAA is serving notice that it will no longer tolerate the "We don't have to talk" mantra of former players caught after the left school.

This is the only reason Thomas said he would eventually talk to the NCAA. The best bet is that he is forging some sort of documentation to try and get around the rules.
- Posted by DooksucksV3

False.

In the Miami case, the subject (Shapiro) who brought forth the allegations was also responsible for the impermissible benefits.

In the Duke case, the jeweler filed suit to obtain the remaining balance owed by Mr. Thomas for jewelry purchased while he was a student-athlete. That (the purchase), in of itself, is not a violation as long as Mr. Thomas was responsible for the downpayment. If Lance Thomas was not responsible for the downpayment, please provide your proof. I'm sure the NCAA would love to see it.
- Posted by Dr. Pwnt

Hence your problem. The NCAA's mantra is guilty until proven innocent.
If Lance is unwilling or unable to show where he got 30K from with no job, the NCAA can assume he is guilty of accepting money improperly.

Then there is the little caveat of whether of not another college student who was not an athlete, had no job and had no cosigner could have gotten 70K in credit.

If this deal was not available to the average student, then it is an NCAA violation.

It really is that simple, no matter how you Dookies want to twist it.

re

The Miami case features a subject (Shapiro) who went on record and made detailed allegations against former players.These allegations presented by Mr. Shapiro in combination with the former players unwillingness to cooperate are what have led the NCAA to lay out an ultimatum. Who, in the Duke case, came forth to the NCAA with such detailed allegations? According to this article, the jeweler hasn't spoken with the NCAA.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/63796/lance-thomas-case-a-challenge-for-ncaa

So in theory, even if Lance Thomas doesn't talk to the NCAA, they have no direct account that Thomas did wrong otherwise. Oh, and for it's worth, Lance Thomas "has indicated a willingness to speak with the NCAA about the purchase."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ex-duke-player-thomas-says-hell-talk-ncaa

I guess what I am saying is that I fail to see how these two incidents are identical and would thus warrant such an ultimatum.
- Posted by Dr. Pwnt

Actually the court documents provide allegation that a violation has occurred.
Had Lance paid the jeweler on time, there would be no evidence of wrongdoing.

The NCAA is serving notice that it will no longer tolerate the "We don't have to talk" mantra of former players caught after the left school.

This is the only reason Thomas said he would eventually talk to the NCAA. The best bet is that he is forging some sort of documentation to try and get around the rules.
- Posted by DooksucksV3

False.

In the Miami case, the subject (Shapiro) who brought forth the allegations was also responsible for the impermissible benefits.

In the Duke case, the jeweler filed suit to obtain the remaining balance owed by Mr. Thomas for jewelry purchased while he was a student-athlete. That (the purchase), in of itself, is not a violation as long as Mr. Thomas was responsible for the downpayment. If Lance Thomas was not responsible for the downpayment, please provide your proof. I'm sure the NCAA would love to see it.
- Posted by Dr. Pwnt
Being a Tar Hole he will release the info but it will take him two years to get it out. UNC is in a big mess and they would love some company but it won't be Duke.
- Posted by The Texas Butler

As much as the Dookies would like to claim that something is going to happen from the NCAA to the Heels, it isn't.

The NCAA does not take on those issues as they have already stated. They say they will keep up with the investigation, but that is just a prudent move.

The matter of 100K in illegal benefits however is fair game, especially since this is the second time something of this sort has come to light under K, and he has already admitted that he should be punished for the indiscretions of his players while at Dook.

RE: Uh oh, possible bad news for Dook

The Miami case features a subject (Shapiro) who went on record and made detailed allegations against former players.These allegations presented by Mr. Shapiro in combination with the former players unwillingness to cooperate are what have led the NCAA to lay out an ultimatum. Who, in the Duke case, came forth to the NCAA with such detailed allegations? According to this article, the jeweler hasn't spoken with the NCAA.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/63796/lance-thomas-case-a-challenge-for-ncaa

So in theory, even if Lance Thomas doesn't talk to the NCAA, they have no direct account that Thomas did wrong otherwise. Oh, and for it's worth, Lance Thomas "has indicated a willingness to speak with the NCAA about the purchase."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ex-duke-player-thomas-says-hell-talk-ncaa

I guess what I am saying is that I fail to see how these two incidents are identical and would thus warrant such an ultimatum.
- Posted by Dr. Pwnt

Actually the court documents provide allegation that a violation has occurred.
Had Lance paid the jeweler on time, there would be no evidence of wrongdoing.

The NCAA is serving notice that it will no longer tolerate the "We don't have to talk" mantra of former players caught after the left school.

This is the only reason Thomas said he would eventually talk to the NCAA. The best bet is that he is forging some sort of documentation to try and get around the rules.
- Posted by DooksucksV3

False.

In the Miami case, the subject (Shapiro) who brought forth the allegations was also responsible for the impermissible benefits.

In the Duke case, the jeweler filed suit to obtain the remaining balance owed by Mr. Thomas for jewelry purchased while he was a student-athlete. That (the purchase), in of itself, is not a violation as long as Mr. Thomas was responsible for the downpayment. If Lance Thomas was not responsible for the downpayment, please provide your proof. I'm sure the NCAA would love to see it.
- Posted by Dr. Pwnt

Hence your problem. The NCAA's mantra is guilty until proven innocent.
If Lance is unwilling or unable to show where he got 30K from with no job, the NCAA can assume he is guilty of accepting money improperly.

Then there is the little caveat of whether of not another college student who was not an athlete, had no job and had no cosigner could have gotten 70K in credit.

If this deal was not available to the average student, then it is an NCAA violation.

It really is that simple, no matter how you Dookies want to twist it.
- Posted by DooksucksV3

If it so simple then why hasnt Duke been punished already.

We know, we know, it is coming. But you have been promising that it has been coming for months now.

Funny, you seem to have a pretty easy explanation for UNCheat issues but not for Duke.

And are you saying the NCAA doesnt take up academic fraud issues. Sure they dont, suuuuuuuurrrrrrreeeeeee.

RE: Uh oh, possible bad news for Dook

Yes sir very bad news indeed. When the NCAA finishes the dismantling of the athletic dept. over in chapel hill, well, there goes our rivalry. Truly sad news it is.

RE: Uh oh, possible bad news for Dook

Yes sir very bad news indeed. When the NCAA finishes the dismantling of the athletic dept. over in chapel hill, well, there goes our rivalry. Truly sad news it is.
- Posted by MoDuke v2

Kville closes. No one want so go to Duke, if they aren't playing against UNC, revenue drops because there's no more Carolina Duke rivalry, Duke will be giving tickets to students who order pizzas. Wheather you like it or not we need each other. I know some of the state college fans are too dumb to see this but, I expect more from Dukies.

RE: Uh oh, possible bad news for Dook

The NCAA sent letters to former Miami players who have been ignoring their requests for interviews.

In those letters the athletes were told that if they refused to cooperate, the NCAA would take the allegatons of wrongdoing as fact and act appropriately.

What does this mean?

That the NCAA will act against Dook if Lance Thomas does not cooperate with them.

That 2010 banner is inching lower and lower.
- Posted by DooksucksV3

The Miami case features a subject (Shapiro) who went on record and made detailed allegations against former players.These allegations presented by Mr. Shapiro in combination with the former players unwillingness to cooperate are what have led the NCAA to lay out an ultimatum. Who, in the Duke case, came forth to the NCAA with such detailed allegations? According to this article, the jeweler hasn't spoken with the NCAA.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/63796/lance-thomas-case-a-challenge-for-ncaa

So in theory, even if Lance Thomas doesn't talk to the NCAA, they have no direct account that Thomas did wrong otherwise. Oh, and for it's worth, Lance Thomas "has indicated a willingness to speak with the NCAA about the purchase."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ex-duke-player-thomas-says-hell-talk-ncaa

I guess what I am saying is that I fail to see how these two incidents are identical and would thus warrant such an ultimatum.
- Posted by Dr. Pwnt

Actually the court documents provide allegation that a violation has occurred.
Had Lance paid the jeweler on time, there would be no evidence of wrongdoing.

The NCAA is serving notice that it will no longer tolerate the "We don't have to talk" mantra of former players caught after the left school.

This is the only reason Thomas said he would eventually talk to the NCAA. The best bet is that he is forging some sort of documentation to try and get around the rules.
- Posted by DooksucksV3

NO. The court documents show that Lance put 30k down and then did not pay the balance owed.

Where is the violation?
- Posted by randythorntonv3

res ipsa loquitur.

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