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  • 903 mens national championships Dec 9, 2012
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    http://blogs.newsobserver.com/statenow/florida-state-virginia-lead-acc-in-athletic-department-revenueUNC isn't even #1 in revenue in the conference. Not sure why they'd get special treatment with FSU and UVA ahead of them.

  • randythorntonv3 Dec 9, 2012
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    Why would the NCAA take a financial hit by putting UNCheat on probation?

  • larrys080 .v1 Dec 9, 2012
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    The NCAA couldn't take the financial hit of putting Carolina on probation. The NCAA would crash! As far as the banners go........they will come down when Dukes and SCC's come down! Just let me know when that will be!

  • randythorntonv3 Dec 9, 2012
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    So what does one have to do with another??

  • SilentSam Dec 9, 2012
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    So when will the banner come down and the probation start?

    You keep telling us things and they never come true.
    Whats that word I'm looking for oh yeah hypocrite. This is from the
    "Reasons Why Fedora IS Leaving" thread:

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  • randythorntonv3 Dec 9, 2012
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    So when will the banner come down and the probation start?

    You keep telling us things and they never come true.

  • DooksucksV3 Dec 9, 2012
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    Nice deflection since we are talking about Dook corruption.

    K was in New York recently giving an interview, I wonder if he made a stop by the jeweler:

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/2012558423001/coach-ks-kryptonite

  • DooksucksV3 Dec 9, 2012
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    NCAA = Guilty until proven innocent.

    There is no presumption of innocence.

  • 903 mens national championships Dec 9, 2012
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    Since the first report of corruption, they have yet to let me down. It's been pure entertainment watching the next news report from UNC and more entertaining, the reaction from its troll fans.

  • randythorntonv3 Dec 9, 2012
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    Glad you agree that your feelings for Duke are summed up in a very simple math equation.

  • randythorntonv3 Dec 9, 2012
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    Another of your predictions based on nothing but your hate of Duke.

    The obsession continues.

  • zanerx Dec 9, 2012
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    A + B = I don't know, but there has to be something there, doesn't there? I mean, its UNC, and I hate them! Isn't that enough?

  • 903 mens national championships Dec 9, 2012
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    If I knew, then UNC wouldn't be the experts they are at covering up. Obviously, that's one thing they excel at, along with cheating.

  • Wolfpackalypse Now Dec 9, 2012
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    I don't know how NCAA investigations or hearings work, but the NC and Federal rules of evidence prohibit the use of evidence from settlement negotiations or mediation that FAILED, much less a successful one like this. The reason is to encourage adverse parties to resolve their problems through settlement and mediation, and decrease the workload on the already overloaded lower courts. There would be no "documents filed" necessarily; Lance's attorney could just draft up a settlement proposal, the jeweler accepts, both parties and a judge with jurisdiction sign it, and it's all over and done with.

    Since I don't know how the NCAA's rules about compelling discovery of documents and statements, I should probably just butt out (really not trying to be sarcastic, I just don't know their rules and how they differ from state and federal law). I do find it hard to believe that they could find silence to be an admission of guilt, and reach a ruling with no findings even using a preponderance of evidence standard.

  • DooksucksV3 Dec 9, 2012
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    They don't understand that the documents filed in the case are admissible as fact.

    I think that K has informed them that he is retiring soon. The NCAA is going to wait until then to strip the banner and heavily sanction Dook into the stone age.

    In 5 years they will look like the Wake team of the past few seasons.

    Sad.

  • zanerx Dec 9, 2012
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    I think you're missing the point. It's not the dispute between Lance and the jeweler that is the potential problem; it's the source of the $30,000 cash and the backing for the $70,000 financing. No matter how often paula says it, no one is going to float an unemployed college student $70k in financing without readily accessible collateral or a cosigner.

    If none of the relevant parties talk - Lance, the jeweler, anyone else that knows anything, one of two things could happen: either the NCAA closes the investigation without further action, or they decide that "the thing speaks for itself," and sanction Duke with either probation or forfeit of victories after Lance made the purchase. I'm not sure the NCAA has to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt in order to impose sanctions.

    If nothing else, K better wake up and get these guys under control, especially if they make another Final Four run this year. You certainly don't want Lance's "success" inspiring anyone else.

  • zanerx Dec 9, 2012
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    What specifically has been covered up?

  • Wolfpackalypse Now Dec 8, 2012
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    I guess maybe I don't understand is how the NCAA can conduct an investigation and make a ruling on a non-justiciable issue. There has been a legal settlement between the adverse parties, so the case is closed. What happens if Lance Thomas, the jeweler, and Duke University refuse to comply with any of the NCAA's requests for explanations pertaining to this moot case or controversy? There is nothing a court of law can legally compel any of them to do at this point in relation to it, so what sort of recourse does the NCAA have?
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  • early exit Roy Dec 8, 2012
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    I think it is called review, not an investigation. Isn't that the correct word?

  • early exit Roy Dec 8, 2012
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    I know coach K would prefer to have swalloford/commish leading the way for them like he did for unc.

  • 903 mens national championships Dec 8, 2012
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    Given the way this has played out, no one believes UNC was 100% forthcoming about all that happened over there. It's pretty clear that alot of stuff hasn't been and may never be revealed because UNC covered up stuff and we're only hearing some of but not nearly all of the story.

  • zanerx Dec 8, 2012
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    No, that's not all they did. They are being sanctioned by the NCAA for a lot that they did. And N'yangoro may face criminal charges for claiming pay for classes he did not teach. But the fact that there were easy classes out there in ROTC or wherever, and that athletes tended to congregate in those classes, or even that advisors told athletes about those classes - none of those are NCAA violations, and plenty of schools engage in them. They are not admirable things, and yes they should be changed (everywhere), but they are most likely not going to result in additional sanctions.

  • randythorntonv3 Dec 8, 2012
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    Yeah but if they say it over and over one day it will become fact.

  • 903 mens national championships Dec 8, 2012
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    And, your belief that UNC, out of all universities in the state, the ACC, and the NCAA, should be singled out for punishment because athletes took easy classes.They did alot more than just "athletes took easy classes". Anyone that thinks that's all UNC did has their head burried in the sand.

  • randythorntonv3 Dec 8, 2012
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    When you get it, you may understand. Fact is. You don't get it.

  • zanerx Dec 8, 2012
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    Why would anyone be satisfied, true Duke University supporters included, if L. Thomas, the jeweler, and other parties refuse to answer the NCAA's questions and provide documentation to support their answers?

    What is irrational? You ABCers expecting endless investigations of UNC until something - anything! - is found wrong. And, your belief that UNC, out of all universities in the state, the ACC, and the NCAA, should be singled out for punishment because athletes took easy classes.

  • randythorntonv3 Dec 8, 2012
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    As will you.

    I love how when a non UNCheat fan says they will not be satisfied, they are irrational, but when a UNCheat fan says the same thing regarding a Duke incident, they are rational.

    Hmm.. What is that word I am looking for? Oh yeah, HYPOCRITE.

  • zanerx Dec 8, 2012
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    As would be expected from an irrational ABCer. You will be waiting a long time.

  • randythorntonv3 Dec 8, 2012
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    Seems to me, the only folks continuing the discussion are UNCheat fans

    I will say it again, a customer went into a jeweler, bought jewelry and put 30 k down. If you put 30 k down, two things happen.

    1) the vendor does not ask you where you got it
    2) you will immediately be extended credit of which NO proof will be required.

    Pretty simple business transaction that I have done numerous times with my jeweler.

    Now I know some of you will continue to disagree, but that is expected form a fan of Dukes biggest rival

    And lastly, nothing will come out of the Martin report. It was a set up.

    And I will not be satisfied until the NCAA goes back in and fully investigates the AFAM dept entirely and interviews athletes like Peppers and Sean May and Hansbrough.

  • zanerx Dec 8, 2012
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    The discussion will not end until at least the time that the NCAA closes its investigation and issues some sort of statement or report. Hopefully, that statement or report will answer the following questions:

    1. Where did Lance get the $30,000, if not from his own legitimate earnings or from his parents?
    2. Who backed him on the financing for the remaning $70,000, unless he had adequate collateral from his own earnings or from his parents?

    If these questions are not answered, the discussion will continue. Saying "it wasn't proven" simply because the parties involved refused to answer is not much of a defense in the court of public opinion, is it?

    With regard to the Martin report, I personally look forward to its release. Governor Martin is a man of integrity. If UNC needs to take further steps to get rid of problems in its academic programs for athletes, the report will undoubtedly help that process. But from everything I've read, the ABCers' dreams of 2005 and 2009 banners coming down seem to be pure fantasy.

  • Wolfpackalypse Now Dec 8, 2012
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    When will this discussion ever end?! The only things that were ever proven were that Lance Thomas is terrible at managing his money and has awful taste with his gaudy jewelry. Isn't that the end of it? It certainly is judicially, because there was a F_CKING SETTLEMENT - it's over.

    There are still a few stones left un-turned at Orange County Remedial College, however. Let's see what good ol' Jim Martin digs up...

  • zanerx Dec 8, 2012
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    So you admit K was involved. Thanks!

  • randythorntonv3 Dec 6, 2012
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    If K says "I dont know" is he doing it in sign language? If not, then he would have to be talking when he says it. There goes your theory of no one talking.

  • randythorntonv3 Dec 6, 2012
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    This is a pretty funny post from someone who ALWAYS is the first to post anything negative about Duke or State on their sites.

    nutz, if you havent posted I doubt anything has happened.

  • kmor2012 Dec 6, 2012
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    Marked with out a link or any proof of anything....cant be true!!!

  • kmor2012 Dec 6, 2012
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    yeah thats it...hahahahaha

  • The Texas Butler Dec 6, 2012
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    The NCAA doesn't have any time to look at Duke because every available investigator is living on UNCs campus. They won't be done until next year so you might find out then. Ask Dan Kane

  • zanerx Dec 5, 2012
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    As far as I can tell, the investigation is still open and ongoing. I don't think the NCAA is going to buy the "I didn't know" defense from K this time. The only question is whether anyone involved will talk.

  • 903 mens national championships Dec 5, 2012
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    We've all been asking marked for a link for months now. He's come up with nothing as per usual.

  • UConnrulz Dec 5, 2012
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    Any links?

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