Duke's rise and remaining questions

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  • rx74u2nv Jan 4, 10:41 p.m.
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    dook goes how plumblee and curry go.

    The question is whether their (dismal) performances against... View More

    — Posted by kato_karma.v4

    Unlike other teams we shall not name (oh why not state/UNC) Duke has other players who can step... View More

    — Posted by seedofdoubt

    From pg 2 of this thread, 2nd post from the bottom:

    Bottom-line, dook has less ability to... View More

    — Posted by kato_karma.v4

    First statement I can see for sure, and you said 9ppg so idk. I will work on making you like me enough to bookmark my insightful contributions.

  • kato_karma.v4 Jan 4, 9:05 p.m.
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    From pg 2 of this thread, 2nd post from the bottom:

    dook goes how plumblee and curry go.

    The question is whether their (dismal) performances against... View More

    — Posted by kato_karma.v4

    Unlike other teams we shall not name (oh why not state/UNC) Duke has other players who can step... View More

    — Posted by seedofdoubt

    Bottom-line, dook has less ability to withstand bad performances from their top 3 players than state or UNC.

    No need to bookmark/stalk...simple real-time key-word searches work wonders.

    Not sure where picking on posters for naming arbitrary dates/stats come in play.

  • rx74u2nv Jan 4, 7:51 p.m.
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    I actually think Kato is funny most times. We can usually go back an forth and laugh. I don't know what happened today as I have yet to follow the thread that Kato was mistaken about. I hope we can still argue in jest.

    I am still laughing at the arbitrary 9ppg. Why 9? Why not 10?

    Kato, please tell me you don't bookmark people's post up here like you actually care. It's Smack Talk, not Stalk Talk.

    Also, tell me you will not pick on posters for naming arbitrary date/stats.

  • MoDuke v2 is gone Jan 4, 7:30 p.m.
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    ^ouch. and kato prides himself on all the hours he spends bookmarking and saving quotes from... View More

    — Posted by 903 mens national championships

    Ol' Cojo is melting down faster than the wicked witch in the "Wizard of Oz". LOL

  • kato_karma.v4 Jan 4, 7:09 p.m.
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    Actually, kato's point was clearly made over there (the mistake was who posted, not what was posted).

    dookie dissed wolffies...

    wolffies failed to care.

    speaks volumes.

  • seedofdoubt Jan 4, 7:06 p.m.
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    Thanks 903. Made the edit after the laugh tears cleared away.

  • 903 mens national championships Jan 4, 7:04 p.m.
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    It's in the "dookie disses wolffies" thread. This one absolutely blew up on him.

  • seedofdoubt Jan 4, 7:02 p.m.
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    Have a chuckle rx74u2nv... I posted the mistake on State's forum. We can only wonder how many of them actually figure it out. The clues are there and your response is here. I'm guessing 3.

  • 903 mens national championships Jan 4, 7:01 p.m.
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    ^ouch. and kato prides himself on all the hours he spends bookmarking and saving quotes from state and duke fans. not only is that obsessive and a waste of time (for most people), but he isn't even good at that lame skill.

  • kato_karma.v4 Jan 4, 6:59 p.m.
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    kato's bad...that was a miss.

    So let's get this straight -- rotary's contention is on Brice's current ppg average being rounded up by kato from 8.9 to 9.0???

  • rx74u2nv Jan 4, 6:53 p.m.
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    dook goes how plumblee and curry go.

    The question is whether their (dismal) performances against... View More

    — Posted by kato_karma.v4

    Unlike other teams we shall not name (oh why not state/UNC) Duke has other players who can step... View More

    — Posted by seedofdoubt

    This is seedofdoubt. Are you accusing me of being him? Maybe I was wrong about your discernment. Maybe you cannot tell which is rx74u2nv and which is not. Nice try?

  • kato_karma.v4 Jan 4, 6:51 p.m.
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    You could cut the deflection and explain what exactly were you attempting to convey by this wrt state:

    Unlike other teams we shall not name (oh why not state/UNC) Duke has other players who can step... View More

    ...or continue the smoke screen.

    (either way, you fail)

  • rx74u2nv Jan 4, 6:47 p.m.
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    Uhhh...ok there rotary.

    Given you are backing up on your initial dig that neither state or UNC has... View More

    — Posted by kato_karma.v4

    Gonna need a link to me taking a dig at NCST not having players that can step up(don't look 2 post up as that will blow this topic out of the water). Heck, did I even say that UNC didn't have players that could step up?

    You said 9ppg or better, not me, and it was false. The real difference between those 6 is 7.9 ppg fyi. (LOL 9ppg?)

    Don't consider myself a homer but you are entitled to think what you like. IMHO your posts so far have been complete fails(see arbitrary 9ppg).

    I understand that you are wanting to engage me but atleast make some sense.

  • kato_karma.v4 Jan 4, 6:06 p.m.
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    Uhhh...ok there rotary.

    Given you are backing up on your initial dig that neither state or UNC has players that can step it up (your quote, not kato's)...

    Then we shall conclude that a mere .1 ppg difference in the state vs UNC comparison equates to a COMPLETE FAIL in your retort.

    Best just to admit you are a helpless dookie homer.

  • rx74u2nv Jan 4, 5:46 p.m.
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    Unlike other teams we shall not name (oh why not state/UNC) Duke has other players who can step... View More

    LOL @ rotary boy's continued deflection.

    HIs (lame) dig was at the wolffies and the Heels...read V... View More

    — Posted by kato_karma.v4

    ignore =/= deflect

    What negative statement about NCST from me would make you feel better so that you may stop this tap dance?

    I think you are confusing me disagreeing with you for me agreeing with him. It is understandable all things considered.

    You will see Duke/NCST's sisterly relationship 1-12-13 at 12pm est.

    NCST has 6 players that average 9ppg+. I believe they have more than just 2 people that can "step it up"

    Thank you for the silent confirmations. Keep on "winning" those internet battles lol. UNCLE!! UNCLE!!

  • kato_karma.v4 Jan 4, 5:25 p.m.
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    LOL @ rotary boy's continued deflection.

    HIs (lame) dig was at the wolffies and the Heels...read VERY CLOSELY:

    Unlike other teams we shall not name (oh why not state/UNC) Duke has other players who can step... View More

    However, those poor dolts are also stuck in denial mode -- deathly afraid of disrupting the sisterly relationship with the dookies.

  • Hokies94 Jan 4, 5:07 p.m.
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    Duke needs to improve rebounding. Other that that this team has all of the weapons.

  • blueduke4 Jan 4, 4:00 p.m.
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    ^Wonder where UNC will finish in the acc? 4th or 5th sounds about right.

  • All ACC Fan Jan 4, 3:58 p.m.
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    I wonder which bottom feeder team knocks d00k out again this year. Maybe a 2nd round cinderella team this year. Those 1st round knockouts can be nasty! LOL

  • 903 mens national championships Jan 4, 3:50 p.m.
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    dook goes how plumblee and curry go.

    The question is whether their (dismal) performances against... View More

    — Posted by kato_karma.v4

    Just look at Santa Clara. More of it is to come, and I predict that State will beat them at... View More

    — Posted by DooksucksV3

    More of this you say:

    "Curry leads No. 1 Duke past Santa Clara 90-77"

    Yes I think we'll... View More

    — Posted by MoDuke v2 is gone

    Did I say anything about Curry?

    You inferred that on your own.

    The struggling however will continue.

    — Posted by DooksucksV3

    The struggling however will continue.

    Winning games by 13 and 17? Okay, we'll take your word for it. Strange use of the word "struggling" though.

  • rx74u2nv Jan 4, 3:33 p.m.
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    Nice deflection...

    typing 'uncle' would have sufficed (especially given you completely... View More

    — Posted by kato_karma.v4

    Deflection?

    http://rjw57.github.com/notes/_images/montoya.jpg

    Didn't address State because your 9+ppg was accurate for them and I am not discussing this with a State fan(unless you have switched up teams).

    My post includes "step it up" Thornton and 9ppg. Try again maybe?

    By your extremely loose(ie. incorrect) use of the word deflection, we can assume that your post is a major deflection, since my post was a continuation of the subject matter and yours was to claim a false internet victory.

    I will accept silence as consent over UNC having 5 players averaging 9ppg or better. I will also accept silence as consent for defense, leadership, intagibles, etc being alternate ways to "step it up." Just keeping you honest.

    This is where you deflect and attempt to change the subject. =D

  • blueduke4 Jan 4, 3:30 p.m.
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    His senses are a mess right now Mo, he has been talking about some Hal character all day, former lover i presume.

  • MoDuke v2 is gone Jan 4, 3:22 p.m.
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    You might want to check the roster there snookems. When you mention the Duke team I have to conclude that that would include all members of said team.

  • DooksucksV3 Jan 4, 3:15 p.m.
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    dook goes how plumblee and curry go.

    The question is whether their (dismal) performances against... View More

    — Posted by kato_karma.v4

    Just look at Santa Clara. More of it is to come, and I predict that State will beat them at... View More

    — Posted by DooksucksV3

    More of this you say:

    "Curry leads No. 1 Duke past Santa Clara 90-77"

    Yes I think we'll... View More

    — Posted by MoDuke v2 is gone

    Did I say anything about Curry?

    You inferred that on your own.

    The struggling however will continue.

  • MoDuke v2 is gone Jan 4, 3:14 p.m.
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    dook goes how plumblee and curry go.

    The question is whether their (dismal) performances against... View More

    — Posted by kato_karma.v4

    Just look at Santa Clara. More of it is to come, and I predict that State will beat them at... View More

    — Posted by DooksucksV3

    More of this you say:

    "Curry leads No. 1 Duke past Santa Clara 90-77"

    Yes I think we'll gladly take more of it, thank you.

  • 903 mens national championships Jan 4, 3:12 p.m.
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    In basketball discussions, points per game only tells part of the story. It totally disregards the ability to play defense.

  • kato_karma.v4 Jan 4, 2:56 p.m.
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    Nice deflection...

    typing 'uncle' would have sufficed (especially given you completely dissed/ignored the wolpfack).

  • rx74u2nv Jan 4, 2:54 p.m.
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    Unlike other teams we shall not name (oh why not state/UNC) Duke has other players who can step... View More

    Uhh...right.

    dook 6th leading scorer averages 4 ppg (that would be step-it-up Thorton).

    State and... View More

    — Posted by kato_karma.v4

    LOL UNC has 5 players averaging 9ppg or better as of today(see Brice Johnson at 8.9ppg). Your strange arbitrary amount of 9ppg is pretty funny.

    In true UNC fashion, "step-it-up" has to come from offense. It's not like Thornton could "step-it-up" by coming through with 3 assist, 3 rebounds, and 2 steals against a top ranked team off the bench, something none of those UNC players that are blistering the the score boards with their 9+ppg(except Johnson) can say.

    LOL @ 9ppg or better. You sir are hilarious. It would appear that all of those burger boys fighting over 9ppg are impeding UNC ability to "step-it-up"

  • randythorntonv3 Jan 4, 2:53 p.m.
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    dook goes how plumblee and curry go.

    The question is whether their (dismal) performances against... View More

    — Posted by kato_karma.v4

    So you choose to look at one game instead of the 11 prior to that one huh?

    I wonder why that is? hmmmmmmmmmm..

  • kato_karma.v4 Jan 4, 2:23 p.m.
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    Unlike other teams we shall not name (oh why not state/UNC) Duke has other players who can step... View More

    Uhh...right.

    dook 6th leading scorer averages 4 ppg (that would be step-it-up Thorton).

    State and UNC both have 6 players averaging 9 ppg or better.

  • seedofdoubt Jan 4, 2:09 p.m.
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    dook goes how plumblee and curry go.

    The question is whether their (dismal) performances against... View More

    — Posted by kato_karma.v4

    Unlike other teams we shall not name (oh why not state/UNC) Duke has other players who can step it up...note: Kelly/Thorton/Cook...where the other teams we shall not name (you know who) would/will crumble if their 3 top scorers have an off night (Sulaimon stuggled as well..1/6 8 points). Duke has one other factor that the nameless are still trying to find. A solid defense.

  • rx74u2nv Jan 4, 1:55 p.m.
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    dook goes how plumblee and curry go.

    The question is whether their (dismal) performances against... View More

    — Posted by kato_karma.v4

    I heard they did well against some top ranked teams though. =)

  • blueduke4 Jan 4, 1:51 p.m.
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    ^bahahaha and i predict unc will continue to be unranked

  • DooksucksV3 Jan 4, 1:17 p.m.
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    dook goes how plumblee and curry go.

    The question is whether their (dismal) performances against... View More

    — Posted by kato_karma.v4

    Just look at Santa Clara. More of it is to come, and I predict that State will beat them at State in a week and a half.

  • kato_karma.v4 Jan 4, 1:13 p.m.
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    dook goes how plumblee and curry go.

    The question is whether their (dismal) performances against Davidson were an aberration or more of what can be expected.

  • rx74u2nv Jan 4, 12:56 p.m.
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    So why is 903 bolding Ryan Kelly's injury when according to him, injuries don't count and are... View More

    — Posted by DooksucksV3

    If the rule is to not highlight a team's injuries, that's fine. I guess I will never see another... View More

    — Posted by 903 mens national championships

    Injuries only count if they happen to UNCheat. Also, UNC's losses are in the past, everyone else's are fair game. Oh, I almost forgot, all teams except UNC can lose vicariously through a team that has previously beat them. Wait, one more, NCAA rulings are good enough for UNC investigations, but other schools will not be protected by this umbrella.

    "The Carolina Way"

  • DooksucksV3 Jan 4, 12:52 p.m.
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    So why is 903 bolding Ryan Kelly's injury when according to him, injuries don't count and are... View More

    — Posted by DooksucksV3

    If the rule is to not highlight a team's injuries, that's fine. I guess I will never see another... View More

    — Posted by 903 mens national championships

    I have no problem acknowledging that injuries change a team.

    Common sense dictate that they do.

    You however seem to think that pointing out facts is the equivalent to whining, which is why I was surprised that you were whining (by your own definition).

  • blueduke4 Jan 4, 9:42 a.m.
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    How ridiculous does his moniker look now that we are CLEARLY #1, bahahahaha

  • 903 mens national championships Jan 4, 9:32 a.m.
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    So why is 903 bolding Ryan Kelly's injury when according to him, injuries don't count and are... View More

    — Posted by DooksucksV3

    If the rule is to not highlight a team's injuries, that's fine. I guess I will never see another whine from you about how UNC didn't beat Kansas in the 2012 elite 8 because of an injury.

  • blueduke4 Jan 4, 9:22 a.m.
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    SU and Michigan both look really good, along with Duke. Injuries are a part of every team, no excuse, just part of it. smh

  • kmor2013 Jan 4, 8:40 a.m.
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    do need to rebound alot better.....i know Duke has the best resume so far this year by a long shot but i thing SU looks tough this year......

  • The1 Jan 4, 8:21 a.m.
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    So why is 903 bolding Ryan Kelly's injury when according to him, injuries don't count and are... View More

    — Posted by DooksucksV3

    They only count for dook, not anyone else.

  • DooksucksV3 Jan 4, 8:07 a.m.
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    So why is 903 bolding Ryan Kelly's injury when according to him, injuries don't count and are just an excuse?

  • All ACC Fan Jan 4, 7:48 a.m.
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    903...why not post Ratfaces life story on here? Too bad d00k is just heading for another early falmeout. Poor things!

  • blueduke4 Jan 3, 7:28 p.m.
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    Really hoping mp3 can become that rebounding presence. This team has a chance to be special, rebounding, energy, and overall team focus can still be improved.

  • seedofdoubt Jan 3, 6:40 p.m.
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    Offensive rebounding!!!! Don't have it. Duke needs to find it. Mp3 and Murphy might be the answer but we won't know until they get some solid minutes. Guards are starting to rebound better, which is nice. Perhaps it's the spread offense Duke uses that makes it hard to get second shots off rebounds. Other than that, Duke is very solid in every other area of the game and can make it to the final four without fixing this minor problem. Fix the problem and they could go undefeated.

  • blueduke4 Jan 3, 5:58 p.m.
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    Nice post 903, this team is shaping up nicely. Would love to see more out of mp3 and Murphy.

  • 903 mens national championships Jan 3, 5:37 p.m.
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    I can't post the whole thing since it's subscription based.

  • 903 mens national championships Jan 3, 5:35 p.m.
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    Plumlee has embraced his potential as a senior. A gifted athlete, he runs and jumps as well as any frontcourt player in the country, and he might be the nation's best ball-screen defender. As opposed to last season, he not only carves space out on the low block but also demands the ball. He is most comfortable on the left block working to the middle of the floor, and Coach K does a great job of getting him there. He is active on the offensive glass, averaging over three offensive rebounds per game. Plumlee is having a Wooden Award-level season.

    Tyler Thornton's toughness and willingness to embrace his role is what Duke basketball is all about, and he has carved out a niche for himself as a junior. He is a relentless defender who can take his man out on and off the ball, averaging almost two steals a game in just 22 minutes per. The flexibility of Duke's perimeter game allows him to sub in for any perimeter player. Offensively, he is a play starter who stays within himself, with a knack for making big shots.

    Josh Hairston plays only 10 minutes a game, but he is the type of valuable contributor that every championship team needs. He is tough, physical and an excellent screener, and he prides himself on bringing energy and commitment on the defensive end.

    Freshman Amile Jefferson will be a valuable reserve for the Blue Devils by season's end, as I expect his role to continue to grow. He is long and athletic, and his skill set allows him to play on the block and on the perimeter.

  • 903 mens national championships Jan 3, 5:35 p.m.
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    A nice objective article despite the author.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/ncbexperts/id/8809219/how-duke-improved-blue-devils-remaining-concerns-college-basketball

    The Duke Blue Devils' loss to Lehigh in last season's NCAA tournament was a stunner, but there were plenty of warning signs for that team heading into the tourney. The 2011-12 Blue Devils didn't have many of the traits that have made Duke college basketball's model program for the past 20 years.

    Traditionally one of the best defensive teams in the nation, Duke struggled to defend the ball off the dribble, which put it in rotations and at a defensive disadvantage. Its offense was stagnant at times, with Austin Rivers often dominating the ball as opposed to making the next pass and moving the defense. Mason Plumlee showed flashes of being an elite frontcourt player but didn't bring it every game, Quinn Cook had trouble adjusting to the intensity of the college game, and the loss of Ryan Kelly to injury at the end of the season hurt the Devils more than the average fan realized.

    Cook is having an outstanding sophomore season, averaging 5.6 assists per game with a 2.4 assist-to-turnover ratio. His decision-making, a real issue last season, has been outstanding, as has his shot selection. He makes enough 3s to keep the defense honest and has a knack for getting to the basket. But his greatest contribution is on the defensive end at the point of attack, an area Duke struggled with last season. Cook has the ability to defend the ball off the bounce at the point.

    Kelly is one of the most underappreciated players in the country, a tough matchup who can shoot with range, put it on the floor and score on the block and a committed defender who can defend multiple positions. He uses his size and length to contain quicker players and still averages 1.8 blocks per game.

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