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  • kato_karma.v5 Apr 1, 9:08 p.m.
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    I count 7 excuses in that rant.

    dook sucks!

    — Posted by The truth about skid mark Univ

    LOL...+7.

  • The truth about skid mark Univ Apr 1, 9:05 p.m.
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    I count 7 excuses in that rant.

    dook sucks!

  • 903 mens national championships Apr 1, 8:36 p.m.
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    I think alot of you are forgetting. Two of Duke's key players were nursing injuries much of the year. Add to that that they got out of the MSU postgame press conferences Saturday at 1am and then turned around to play Lville at 5pm less than 2 days later, it wasn't likely they were going to get any practice or film time to prepare a defense that they didn't play the entire season. And even if he did get desperate and called for the team to play a zone, there's no guarantee that would've worked anyway. Lville's loaded with shooters, even Dieng was nailing 20 footers.

  • kato_karma.v5 Apr 1, 5:22 p.m.
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    Coaches often employ a 2-1-2 zone to limit dribble-penetration. You give up some perimeter jump-shot pressure, but it is a strategy worth implementing in spurts...especially if you've scouted the opposition, identify their tendencies, and prepare a head of time.

    Some would call this basic coaching Xs and Os...other would have difficulty connecting-the-dots.

  • thatrollslayer Apr 1, 4:53 p.m.
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    Again, this whole "outcoached" notion seems stretched. I mean, what exactly was Coach K supposed to do? Make his players faster at half time? Increase their quickness during a timeout? They got beat off the dribble by more athletic guards, it's been Duke's achilles heel all year long, this isn't news to Duke fans who have been following the team. The only way we had a chance in that game is if we had quicker, more athletic guards.

  • thatrollslayer Apr 1, 4:51 p.m.
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    You can't teach speed, quickness, leaping ability, agility. These are abilities that a coach... View More

    — Posted by thatrollslayer

    And who recruited and developed those players? Look, I was pulling for Duke, wanted them to win... View More

    — Posted by Dreamchaser

    I thought Pitino had a great gameplan, but its the same one he had been using all season. To... View More

    — Posted by thatrollslayer

    Louisville was definitely the better team...that Siva dude could not be stopped at all...
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    — Posted by wmarti

    Duke lost, of course he got the better of K. Who is even disputing that?

  • wmarti Apr 1, 4:42 p.m.
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    There is where you discredited the coaching.
    Who recruited the players? The coach. Who mentored... View More

    — Posted by Dreamchaser

    You can't teach speed, quickness, leaping ability, agility. These are abilities that a coach... View More

    — Posted by thatrollslayer

    And who recruited and developed those players? Look, I was pulling for Duke, wanted them to win... View More

    — Posted by Dreamchaser

    I thought Pitino had a great gameplan, but its the same one he had been using all season. To... View More

    — Posted by thatrollslayer

    Louisville was definitely the better team...that Siva dude could not be stopped at all...

    But...just because you are the best coach in college basketball does not mean that you can't be outcoached in a game.

    Admit it..Pitino got the better of K...you'll feel better.

  • kato_karma.v5 Apr 1, 2:29 p.m.
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    I.E., kiwi did not properly prepare his team (again).

    [and dream...do remember that it is futile to attempt to have a discussion with jr that requires any connecting of the dots]

  • thatrollslayer Apr 1, 2:17 p.m.
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    When your team doesn't match up AT ALL against the other team well, it really doesn't come down... View More

    There is where you discredited the coaching.
    Who recruited the players? The coach. Who mentored... View More

    — Posted by Dreamchaser

    You can't teach speed, quickness, leaping ability, agility. These are abilities that a coach... View More

    — Posted by thatrollslayer

    And who recruited and developed those players? Look, I was pulling for Duke, wanted them to win... View More

    — Posted by Dreamchaser

    I thought Pitino had a great gameplan, but its the same one he had been using all season. To insinuate Duke wasn't aware they were going to press the whole game or play tough man to man defense the entire game is ridiculous. In a case like this, it wasn't really in the cards for K to make any adjusments.

  • Dreamchaser Apr 1, 2:13 p.m.
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    When your team doesn't match up AT ALL against the other team well, it really doesn't come down... View More

    There is where you discredited the coaching.
    Who recruited the players? The coach. Who mentored... View More

    — Posted by Dreamchaser

    You can't teach speed, quickness, leaping ability, agility. These are abilities that a coach... View More

    — Posted by thatrollslayer

    And who recruited and developed those players? Look, I was pulling for Duke, wanted them to win and I think K is a great coach but I think that saying the game really didn't come down to coaching is just a cop out. At least blame the refs, injuries, Swofford or something.

  • thatrollslayer Apr 1, 2:05 p.m.
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    When your team doesn't match up AT ALL against the other team well, it really doesn't come down... View More

    There is where you discredited the coaching.
    Who recruited the players? The coach. Who mentored... View More

    — Posted by Dreamchaser

    You can't teach speed, quickness, leaping ability, agility. These are abilities that a coach isn't going to give you. Simply put, Louisville had better athletes. Was Rick Pitino a factor? Yes, but the game came down to players vs. players.

  • Dreamchaser Apr 1, 2:01 p.m.
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    When your team doesn't match up AT ALL against the other team well, it really doesn't come down... View More

    There is where you discredited the coaching.
    Who recruited the players? The coach. Who mentored the players? The coach. Who helped those players develop their skills? The coach. Who is in charge of making adjustments during the game? The coach.

  • thatrollslayer Apr 1, 1:53 p.m.
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    When your team doesn't match up AT ALL against the other team well, it really doesn't come down... View More

    — Posted by thatrollslayer

    Then K had nothing to do with those 4 NC's. Duke just happened to be the better team.

    — Posted by Dreamchaser

    Where did I discredit the coaching aspect? I just simply said Louisville had better players, which is true.

    At no point did I say coaching had nothing to do with Lousville winning.

  • Dreamchaser Apr 1, 1:51 p.m.
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    When your team doesn't match up AT ALL against the other team well, it really doesn't come down... View More

    — Posted by thatrollslayer

    Then K had nothing to do with those 4 NC's. Duke just happened to be the better team.

  • kato_karma.v5 Apr 1, 1:48 p.m.
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    You can x and o all you want but at some point it comes down to the "jimmies and joes"... View More

    — Posted by randypate1024

    That's a lot of typing just to confirm that the team put under the stress of competing against better Xs and Os...

    usually unravels in the second half (as it did).

  • thatrollslayer Apr 1, 1:46 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    When your team doesn't match up AT ALL against the other team well, it really doesn't come down to coaching. You can't TEACH speed and agility (overall athleticism,) which is what Louisville had loads more of than Duke in that game

  • randypate1024 Apr 1, 1:10 p.m.
    Towel Boy

    You can x and o all you want but at some point it comes down to the "jimmies and joes" and NOBODY this year has a backcourt like Louisville. Duke nor UNC or anyone else in the current ACC could have shut down that duo yesterday. The adjustments K tried to make would likely have worked in most situations but the Louisville guards were so quick and pressed hard that Duke was being forced to start their offense at the time line hash mark. That is simply execution on their part and lack of it on Duke's part. Now combine that with Louisville's domination of the glass and Duke's inability to hit a shot and you've got a team that lives to fastbreak out front with blazing speed and can finish. I have to agree with Bilas in that effect on the team being put under the stress of the press wears down a team and the results will usually show in the second half as it did.

  • 903 mens national championships Apr 1, 12:59 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    Meanwhile, unc fans are happy with the adjustments Roy made in kansas's 31 point turnaround in losing a 9 point halftime lead....

  • BeastOfTheHill Apr 1, 12:47 p.m.
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    Natty-o-meter is at 4 & holding steady.

    and ratk still doesn't know what is meant by X's... View More

    — Posted by BeastOnTheHill

    As evidenced by 943 & counting, 4 NTS, etc....too easy!

    Just an fyi...the big one starts in... View More

    — Posted by BattlingBishop 5

    got any perspective now Mr. Bishop?

  • kato_karma.v5 Apr 1, 12:24 p.m.
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    Analysts agree that kiwi was simply out coached by Pitino...

    Pitino made the key adjustment by moving the screens up the floor, essentially the checkmate in the coaching game.

    another...

    Pitino had a game plan to take away Seth Curry and Ryan Kelly...tweaked their offense to make it harder for Plumlee and Kelly to defend the pick-and-roll...tweaked it again after halftime to open up more space for speedy guards Russ Smith and Peyton Siva.

    Another...

    On defense, they used a complicated scheme on Curry, one Curry said he hadn't seen all season.

  • Tar Heels Victory-Show No Mercer Jan 25, 6:41 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    I guess Larranaga should be added to the list! LOL!

  • BattlingBishop 5 Jan 25, 6:28 p.m.
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    Natty-o-meter is at 4 & holding steady.

    and ratk still doesn't know what is meant by X's... View More

    — Posted by BeastOnTheHill

    As evidenced by 943 & counting, 4 NTS, etc....too easy!

    Just an fyi...the big one starts in March, not January.

    Perspective?

  • kato_karma.v4 Jan 25, 4:47 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    Natty-o-meter is at 4 & holding steady.

    and ratk still doesn't know what is meant by X's... View More

    — Posted by BeastOnTheHill

    LOL.

    Bazing!!!

  • 903 mens national championships Jan 25, 4:36 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    People keep bringing up Brad Stevens whenever they mention Duke and UNC openings in 5 years. The problem with that though is, he's gonna keep winning at Butler and when that happens their budget just gets bigger and bigger and they are more likely to keep him happy. Also, I believe he and his wife have strong midwestern roots and anyone that knows anything about Indiana is that they are where they've always wanted to be already. They have no concept of Tobacco Road being the greatest place on college basketball earth like we do. And lastly, if he does keep winning and decides to leave Butler, he will have the opportunity to go to any Big Ten school he wants and they all can pay as much as Duke and UNC.

  • Hokies94 Jan 25, 4:16 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    Brad Stevesn at #5 will continue to rise in the future. He's the brain child of basketball today at a young age.

  • MoDuke v2 is gone Jan 24, 6:12 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    I'm still checking but I don't think there has ever been an undefeated coach in division one... View More

    — Posted by MoDuke v2 is gone

    You had best do more checking. 1976 and 1957 come to mind right off hand, that is if you are... View More

    — Posted by Dreamchaser

    Nah, I was referring only to coaches because of those who try and discredit coach K for having some "bad" losses.
    As far as seasons go, I think UCLA had something like 2 or 3 consecutive undefeated seasons during their unprecedented championship run.

  • BeastOnTheHill Jan 24, 2:16 p.m.
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    Natty-o-meter is at 4 & holding steady.

    and ratk still doesn't know what is meant by X's & O's.

    he thought that meant hugs and kisses for his players.

  • BeastOnTheHill Jan 24, 2:08 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    It's all about the U!!!!

  • rx74u2nv Jan 24, 2:06 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    LOL, ratk has never been, nor will he ever be, known for basketball strategy. He has always been... View More

    — Posted by BeastOnTheHill

    Link to K yelling at refs down by 30. I am pretty sure he sat there with a disappointed look on his face. Again, why are UNC fans making stuff up. You sound like DSvX about the rotations playing at the end. Plenty of factual negative for Duke in this game, no need to make up false ones.

  • Dreamchaser Jan 24, 1:34 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    I'm still checking but I don't think there has ever been an undefeated coach in division one... View More

    — Posted by MoDuke v2 is gone

    You had best do more checking. 1976 and 1957 come to mind right off hand, that is if you are talking single seasons.

  • MoDuke v2 is gone Jan 24, 1:25 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    I'm still checking but I don't think there has ever been an undefeated coach in division one college basketball. And I'm sure there hasn't been one with more W's.

  • BeastOnTheHill Jan 24, 10:40 a.m.
    Sports Legend

    LOL, ratk has never been, nor will he ever be, known for basketball strategy. He has always been a recruiter and a motivator but not much on X & O's as we saw last night. He and his complete staff had no idea what to do to stop the bleeding except to yell at the ref's. Down by 30 and ratk is yelling at the ref's. LOL!

    Mi ..ami, My Mi... ami!!!

  • randythorntonv3 Jan 23, 8:08 a.m.
    Sports Legend

    Natty-o-meter is at 4 & climbing.

    Win-o-meter is at 943 & climbing.

    AP/coaches poll -... View More

    — Posted by BattlingBishop 5

    That 4 will be shrinking to 3 if there is any justice in this world. Using an illegally paid... View More

    — Posted by DooksucksV3

    Hope you arent running out of tin foil on the Lance issue.

    NCAA already looked at the Maggette issue and cleared Duke.

    Keep up the good fight though, at least it keeps you busy.

  • bichonman Jan 23, 7:33 a.m.
    Pro

    Roy-just win an NCAA Championship every couple of years. Thats acceptable to us.

  • DooksucksV3 Jan 23, 7:15 a.m.
    Sports Legend

    A dead rat could recruit at UNC-CHeat so get over it!

    — Posted by Coach Doherty

    K is going to coach UNC when he dies?

    Interesting.

  • DooksucksV3 Jan 23, 7:14 a.m.
    Sports Legend

    Natty-o-meter is at 4 & climbing.

    Win-o-meter is at 943 & climbing.

    AP/coaches poll -... View More

    — Posted by BattlingBishop 5

    That 4 will be shrinking to 3 if there is any justice in this world. Using an illegally paid player nullifies that.

    Subtract that and the illegal Maggette wins and he should be below 900.

  • DooksucksV3 Jan 23, 7:12 a.m.
    Sports Legend

    Playing the "narrow it down until it fits my argument" game again. LOL!

    — Posted by Tar Heels Victory-Show No Mercer

    He sure does:

    How may elite 8's or final 4's has Dook been to the past decade?

    — Posted by 903 mens national championships

    Why not use the 10 year time frame, instead of 3?

    — Posted by Tar Heels Victory-Show No Mercer

    Why not criticize marked for playing the "narrow it down until it fits my argument"... View More

    — Posted by 903 mens national championships

    Again, a decade is narrow?

    How sad for the little guy.

  • DooksucksV3 Jan 23, 7:11 a.m.
    Sports Legend

    Over the past decade it has been substantially lower.

    — Posted by DooksucksV3

    Kind of like UNCheat going to 3 NIT's huh? Or was it 2 NIT's and one no show post season?

    — Posted by randythorntonv3

    UNC did not have to use paid players.

    — Posted by DooksucksV3

    Neither did Duke.

    — Posted by randythorntonv3

    Link to where the 30K came from?

    Thanks.

  • DooksucksV3 Jan 23, 7:11 a.m.
    Sports Legend

    2>1

    How may elite 8's or final 4's has Dook been to the past decade?

    — Posted by DooksucksV3

    How many National Titles has UNC won in the past 3 years?

    1 > 0

    — Posted by 903 mens national championships

    Playing the "narrow it down until it fits my argument" game again. LOL!

    — Posted by Tar Heels Victory-Show No Mercer

    He sure does:

    How may elite 8's or final 4's has Dook been to the past decade?

    — Posted by 903 mens national championships

    A decade is narrow?

  • DooksucksV3 Jan 23, 7:10 a.m.
    Sports Legend

    and yet Carolina is still under that

    — Posted by Leave it to Beaver Reruns

    2>1

    How may elite 8's or final 4's has Dook been to the past decade?

    — Posted by DooksucksV3

    How many National Titles has UNC won in the past 3 years?

    1 > 0

    — Posted by 903 mens national championships

    Playing the "narrow it down until it fits my argument" game again. LOL!

    — Posted by Tar Heels Victory-Show No Mercer

    Dookie math.

  • DooksucksV3 Jan 23, 7:10 a.m.
    Sports Legend

    Over the past decade it has been substantially lower.

    — Posted by DooksucksV3

    and yet Carolina is still under that

    — Posted by Leave it to Beaver Reruns

    2>1

    How may elite 8's or final 4's has Dook been to the past decade?

    — Posted by DooksucksV3

    2 final fours...and no one gives a sheeeet about Elite 8's....Carolina fans do because they have... View More

    — Posted by Leave it to Beaver Reruns

    I'm sure Dook would have rather been there than flaming out.

    Try again little guy.

  • kato_karma.v4 Jan 23, 6:55 a.m.
    Sports Legend

    Back on topic.

    Shouldn't the best X's and O's coach be able to lead his team to something better... View More

    — Posted by kato_karma.v4

    Xs/Os is not based on tournament performance alone. If it were, then K's record is still... View More

    — Posted by rx74u2nv

    A simple "yes" response to kato's question would have sufficed.

  • BattlingBishop 5 Jan 23, 6:35 a.m.
    Sports Legend

    Natty-o-meter is at 4 & climbing.

    Win-o-meter is at 943 & climbing.

    AP/coaches poll - sitting at the top.

    Anybody seen the Lighter Shade?

  • Tar Heels Victory-Show No Mercer Jan 22, 6:33 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    Playing the "narrow it down until it fits my argument" game again. LOL!

    — Posted by Tar Heels Victory-Show No Mercer

    He sure does:

    How may elite 8's or final 4's has Dook been to the past decade?

    — Posted by 903 mens national championships

    Why not use the 10 year time frame, instead of 3?

    — Posted by Tar Heels Victory-Show No Mercer

    You tell us. we're on the edge of our seats with great anticipation waiting for the answer.

    Oh... View More

    — Posted by MoDuke v2 is gone

    Whatever floats your boat! I was pointing out the stupidity of limiting any argument to the years that make your argument look the best! Both Coaches have done a great job with their programs. Mike K, has been with his for 20 more years, therefore, he should have more of everything.

  • rx74u2nv Jan 22, 6:33 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    Back on topic.

    Shouldn't the best X's and O's coach be able to lead his team to something better... View More

    — Posted by kato_karma.v4

    Xs/Os is not based on tournament performance alone. If it were, then K's record is still strong, including the afore meantioned post sweet 16 stats for K, which are outstanding.

    Back on topic, do you have a top ten you would like to submit? No, it will not receive any national attention like this one but hey, we could all get a good laugh here. If you get bored, hook us up, or don't. 'Doesn't matter either way.

  • BattlingBishop 5 Jan 22, 6:30 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    True. When Coach K retires, Battling, who/whom do you think will follow at Duke?

    — Posted by Hokies94

    If I may be allowed to interject here, there's no telling who will be available in, say, 8 to 10... View More

    — Posted by MoDuke v2 is gone

    lol

    — Posted by BattlingBishop 5

    LOL? The longer Mike K stays, the harder it will be for Dook to get someone like Brad Stevens. ... View More

    — Posted by Tar Heels Victory-Show No Mercer

    Agree with you on that. In fact, I look at that situation the way randythornton does. I think he goes for 1000 wins. After that, who knows? Boeheim has over 900 Ws so he could push K to stay longer.

  • randythorntonv3 Jan 22, 5:08 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    Back on topic.

    Shouldn't the best X's and O's coach be able to lead his team to something better... View More

    — Posted by kato_karma.v4

    Guess you will have to ask the individuals who voted K the best.

    Duke fans already know he is the best.

  • kato_karma.v4 Jan 22, 5:06 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    Back on topic.

    Shouldn't the best X's and O's coach be able to lead his team to something better than a Sour 16 or earlier flameout in 7 of the most recent 8 seasons???

  • Hokies94 Jan 22, 3:59 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    Anyone that keeps up knows that Coach K is the all-time best in the game of basketball since the... View More

    — Posted by Hokies94

    Agreed 100% - Wooden was very special but that was a different time. I'd have to say K is #1,... View More

    — Posted by BattlingBishop 5

    True. When Coach K retires, Battling, who/whom do you think will follow at Duke?

    — Posted by Hokies94

    If I may be allowed to interject here, there's no telling who will be available in, say, 8 to 10... View More

    — Posted by MoDuke v2 is gone

    Solid. I hope that Coach K will coach for another 8-10 years, or as long as he wants to coach.

  • The1 Jan 22, 3:49 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    Playing the "narrow it down until it fits my argument" game again. LOL!

    — Posted by Tar Heels Victory-Show No Mercer

    He sure does:

    How may elite 8's or final 4's has Dook been to the past decade?

    — Posted by 903 mens national championships

    Why not use the 10 year time frame, instead of 3?

    — Posted by Tar Heels Victory-Show No Mercer

    You tell us. we're on the edge of our seats with great anticipation waiting for the answer.

    Oh... View More

    — Posted by MoDuke v2 is gone

    Looks like someone is playing the "How to keep a dookie in suspense" game. Good job!

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