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  • unc70 Jan 20, 2013
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    The officiating at the UNC-MD game seemed mostly OK, though probably because all the early MD turnovers and not anything the refs did. After a TO, Carolina was well into its transition passing offense, keeping Maryland out of position and giving UNC wide open shots, with Bullock hitting most of them. Maryland was rarely able to set up its collapsing half-court defense during the first half.

    The second half felt more like a scrimmage, with each team mostly running their half-court games on O and D. UNC rarely pressed backcourt or trapped mid court except to protect the lead. Roy tried various lineups with few starters during most of the second half, particularly from about 14:00 to 7:00 remaining. The starters were well-rested for final minutes, mostly content to hold the ball for most of the shot clock and then getting the basket.

    I have seen this scenario over and over when Carolina is playing teams coached by the extended Carolina basketball family (including the closely related Kansas family). You don't run the score up or humiliate the other team; good sportsmanship in general, more so in these cases. Note that Roy would only discuss the first half publicly, but did not criticize the second half play. Following the unwritten protocol, Maryland could discuss their improved play in the second half, the learning experience for a young team, etc.

    BTW the finesse game was also the style on the West Coast, including the PAC, and in the Southern Conference. I think the erosion of the rules was heavily influenced by the arrival of the ABA and its gimmicks and the emphasis on show-off moves previously relegated to the Globetrotters. Also TV sports highlights on the local evening news. Many of those moves are impossible even for MJ if rules on traveling/extra steps and on palming the ball were strictly enforced.

  • Dreamchaser Jan 19, 2013
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    Heels win, Check.

  • RD n NC Jan 19, 2013
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    Heels looking good, Check

  • Dreamchaser Jan 19, 2013
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    You could very well be right about that. No time to really research it right now. The best game of the day starts at noon so I have to make sure I have every thing in order. Cold beer, check, snacks, check, kids locked in their room, check. :)

  • MoDuke v2 is gone Jan 19, 2013
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    RD, they did get away with "SOMETHING". They stole our lunch money.

    Actually my hat is off to State because they played what I think was their best game of the year so far and probably wouldn't have won with anything less. If Woods shoots like he did against MD. (maybe their defense was the reason?) then they don't beat Duke even though it was at home.IMHBDO

  • MoDuke v2 is gone Jan 19, 2013
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    Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that back in the late 80's or early 90's that was the rationale used for swapping refs with the SEC for the ACC Tourney. I don't know how long that experiment lasted but since then the ACC has won 8 Natty's and had several runner-up finishes. Not saying that was a factor but just making an observation, however.

  • Dreamchaser Jan 19, 2013
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    They actually used to call bball a non contact sport. The ACC teams played more of a finesse game but got killed in the NCAAs because they got beat up. They have corrected that but I think I still like the finesse game better.

  • TruthisKnown Jan 19, 2013
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    Sounds like the wolfers doing a bit of excuse making for the MD whipping....funny though that MD had put state kollege in the bonus early in the 2nd half and state kollege only had 3 team fouls in last 2 minutes. Sounds like things were going the wolfers way....but to them...of course it was against them...lolololol

  • RD n NC Jan 19, 2013
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    Mo, you must have been listening to Bob Harris call that game lol

    I swear every play he said State got away with "SOMETHING"

  • uncsuckz Jan 19, 2013
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    Very good observation '70. Time was the ACC flamed in the NCAA's due to the soft nature of their play in regular season but no more. As for unc, they shoot as many or more threes than anybody else this year. No bonafide post players present and more outside shooters than in years past. Same for next year too.

  • unc70 Jan 19, 2013
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    So far this year, I have not been able to really watch but a few non-Carolina games, mostly just able to watch a couple of minutes here and there. But from the Carolina games and from what little I have been able to see, it certainly feels like the refs "are letting them play". The stats may tell a different story, but there seem fewer fouls being called per game, fewer of the foul-prone players getting in foul trouble, the games are ending earlier (by 5-10 minutes), and many games are ugly defensive struggles.

    The ACC's reputation for calling "touch fouls" hasn't been true for a couple of decades. For 20+ years, the inside game has become increasingly brutal, pushing and shoving with arms intwined by offensive and defensive players, with few fouls called on either except when shooting or rebounding and rarely even then unless blatant. Hesitate going to the basket with the ball or bring it down, then expect to be stripped of the ball with defenders hacking your arms up past your elbows. Normal for a long time, with some games being called more tightly, others more like the ones I've seen this year -- almost no fouls.

    What seems to have changed the last couple of years is how the refs are calling things on the perimeter. In the past, touch fouls have generally been called there, the classic reach-in or an aggressive screen or slapping at the ball much above the wrist. The refs in more games are allowing the outside play to become almost as aggressive as that down low. Makes penetration dribble very difficult. Whole offense sputters.

    Traditionally, Carolina teams have pounded the ball inside, scoring close in and often drawing fouls, or kicking the ball back out to an open shooter. This style play against most opponents works best when the officiating is between "touch fouls" and "let them play". Even UNC last year had trouble facing collapsing defenses when refs "let them play". Far worse now without their strength, skills, and experience.

  • BattlingBishop 5 Jan 19, 2013
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    Saw excuse for an official missing a call like that. In a situation like that, some coaches would get T'd up. @ Mo, it seems that those who are in charge of calling sporting events are getting worse by the hour.

  • ReasonableJacobSummers Jan 19, 2013

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    Yep saw that too. Prison yard rules.

  • duane11 Jan 19, 2013
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    i know Purvis got pancaked the other night going to the hole in the first half, Bilas was incredulous, as was i

  • ReasonableJacobSummers Jan 19, 2013

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    Well played. I will try and help you get this one jump started. I agree with you it really does seem like they're letting them play a bit. Ive watched a couple games where it looked like prison ball. That being said, we'll also probably see a game where if they cough in someone's direction they'll get a T. But I agree that its been a little more hardcore in some of the games ive seen.

  • MoDuke v2 is gone Jan 18, 2013
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    And I still stand by that statement. If I put out a thought and no one has an opinion on it then WRAL should delete it. Wouldn't hurt my feelings.

    Can't help it if my thought process is so far ahead of the masses. LOL


  • ReasonableJacobSummers Jan 18, 2013

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    Jeez Mo, your threads never get any attention do they big guy? Rofl! 'Member that time you said if a thread didn't get a post within an hour it should be taken down? Lets hope that aint the case cuz it would be likely you'd just disappear all together on these forums. Heres a sympathy post for ya 24 hours later. You owe me.


  • MoDuke v2 is gone Jan 17, 2013
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    ................or is the ACC refs really letting them play this year.

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