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  • BattlingBishop 5 Feb 14, 2013
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    Agree with ya on that. Lawson was UNC's Sergeant Hulka. Great player!

  • BattlingBishop 5 Feb 14, 2013
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    Rice did play Hurley tough but I do believe Hurley got the last laugh.

  • BattlingBishop 5 Feb 14, 2013
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    LOL

  • Toddler10-21 Feb 14, 2013
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    But we all have to agree about Lawson, when he went out with the toe injury, and came back UNC would probably not have won it in 09. Dude is tearing up the NBA right now.

  • Toddler10-21 Feb 14, 2013
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    So true Ship the rings are what counts the most!! King Rice did give Hurley fits. I really thought he was going to cry a couple of times! No one can argue Handstravel's stats in college, but alot of greats in the ACC didnt stay four years either, Worthy, Jordan, Bias, Williams etc..

  • kato_karma.v4 Feb 13, 2013
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    Before there was a King James...

    there was King Rice.

  • VT1994Hokie Feb 13, 2013
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    I agree Battling.

  • BattlingBishop 5 Feb 13, 2013
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    +1...forgot about him. The ACC has had its share of great PGs/players. There have been many individual players who put up great numbers but only a select few can claim NTs. Naturally, they should get first dibs on "the greatest" list. Just looking at the entire body of work. Something else. If a player only played 1 season, he shouldn't get serious consideration. IMO

  • BattlingBishop 5 Feb 13, 2013
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    LOL....Let's deal with reality, shall we? Certain players played, and won, NTs. Hurley has 2 & that's a fact. You should ID the number of PGs in ACC history who won back-to-back NTs. I get a kick out of those who say things like, "If they didn't have this player or that player, they wouldn't have won." Let's stay with the facts.

    You can dig on Hansbrough all you like but I have a question for you. Which former ACC player can claim both #1 scorer all-time in the ACC & a NT? Is what it is. Just an fyi....if Lawson doesn't have Hansbrough, he doesn't win a NT either. Works both ways!

    You're the guy who always likes to talk about championships when evaluating great players. Ya can't start changing the rules at this point.

  • Toddler10-21 Feb 13, 2013
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    Two titles, Williams, and Lawson. Take Lawson off that UNC team, and Handstravel would have 0 titles. Take GH, or CL off those teams, and there would be zero titles for Duke in 91, and 92. J Williams on that team, and would have been 3 straight for Duke. But really they both are Champs. Hurley played 4 years also.

  • 903 mens national championships Feb 12, 2013
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    Muggsy played pickup at the Y I used to play at right after his NBA career ended. He was a great guy, great with the kids and could dribble thru any clutter of players trying to defend him as if the ball was a yo-yo on a string connected to his hand.

  • VT1994Hokie Feb 12, 2013
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    Randolph Childress set an ACC record in the ACC Tourney from Wake Forest in scoring back in the day. He's working at Wake today. I forgot to mention him earlier. He should be in the mix too.

  • BattlingBishop 5 Feb 12, 2013
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    Enjoyed watching him play.

  • BattlingBishop 5 Feb 12, 2013
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    Agreed, which is why there was no mention of him.

  • BattlingBishop 5 Feb 12, 2013
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    Not sure but I heard they named a university after him in Texas.

  • VT1994Hokie Feb 12, 2013
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    I went to all home games when Mugsy was playing at Wake. For a 5'3", I would put him up there against any 6'0". I used to have his autograph. Lost in the moves, I guess. Charlie Davis was another strong one back in his day.

  • Prof. Swahili Feb 12, 2013
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    You guys are all disrespecting Mugsy Bogues.

  • MoDuke v2 is gone Feb 12, 2013
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    And they've got the National Championships to prove it.........NOT

  • TsKaMF Feb 12, 2013
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    Bart Simpson does not belong in this conversation.

  • MoDuke v2 is gone Feb 12, 2013
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    Don't we have a holiday in his honor?

  • VT1994Hokie Feb 12, 2013
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    Loads of names in this one. Phil Ford could take over a game as well as any in his time frame. We know that it has changed dramatically since too. Hurley, Lucas, Price, Anderson, and Paul's time frame was a much different game then too. Bigger, faster, and stronger rules this game today. Kyrie is coming on strong. Chris Paul is as solid as a rock. Time will tell in this one. Jason Williams was one of the best ever in college. It's a darn shame we didn't get to see him deliver his skills in the NBA.

  • BattlingBishop 5 Feb 12, 2013
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    Who is that?

  • BattlingBishop 5 Feb 12, 2013
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    On paper, J Williams was clearly the more talented player. If I'm picking one player to win me a title, as bpayne pointed out, going with Hurley. He was a winner in high school & college.

  • BattlingBishop 5 Feb 12, 2013
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    "During Hurley's time I think Kenny Anderson was better. All time, Phil Ford, Lucas, Irving, Price, Lawson, Paul all were better than Hurley." toddler

    NTs - Anderson, Ford, Lucas, Irving, Price, Lawson, & Paul have 1 combined.

    Hurley - 2 NTs - a true floor general.

  • The1 Feb 12, 2013
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    Sounds like another "hey y'all, watch this!" moment.

  • weakened back Feb 12, 2013
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    i still can't believe any semi intelligent person would do something that would jeopardize their contract.

  • The1 Feb 12, 2013
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    +1

  • kato_karma.v4 Feb 12, 2013
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    it must be rather difficult for you to shave without cutting yourself.

  • flairrick Feb 12, 2013
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    I llove a good joke in the morning.

  • kato_karma.v4 Feb 12, 2013
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    yes...

    especially bobbie hurley.

  • Tizu Feb 12, 2013
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    I can go with that. It's true.

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Feb 12, 2013
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    yet only one title in all those names you mention. Duke does not win in 1991 or 1992 without Hurley.

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Feb 12, 2013
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    in what? beating women?

  • kato_karma.v4 Feb 12, 2013
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    King Rice would have dominated all of the aforementioned.

  • Toddler10-21 Feb 12, 2013
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    As far a talent, and one on one Hurley would get destroyed by the above mentioned players.

  • Toddler10-21 Feb 12, 2013
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    Jason was also two time player of the year, and also won a title. Hurley was good also, but playing with Christian, and Grant wow! During Hurley's time I think Kenny Anderson was better. All time, Phil Ford, Lucas, Irving, Price, Lawson, Paul all were better than Hurley.

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Feb 12, 2013
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    Yeah, if you are going by talent and God given skill, it would be Kyrie then Jason with Bobby coming in a distant third. But, if I am asking for a guard to win me a big game or title, I would take Hurley any day of the week.

    Had Jason stayed his senior year, he would have smashed the scoring record. Dude was a baller.

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    In terms of shear talent and intelligence of the game, I gotta hand it to Jay. If Kyrie Irving would have stayed for 4 years, he'd be the best by far to EVER play the point...not only for Duke and the ACC, but possibly the country.

  • BattlingBishop 5 Feb 12, 2013
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    I would take Hurley over any PG to ever play in the ACC. 3 Final Fours, 2 NTs, all-time assists leader.

  • Toddler10-21 Feb 12, 2013
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    Great guy. Love to hear him talk College Basketball. He along with Bilas are not biased ( Unlike Hubert Davis) they just speak the truth. Still in my opinion the greatest to play the point at Duke. He also would have been a all star in the NBA!

  • StunGunn Feb 11, 2013
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    Thanks so much for this, 903! I heard DG talk about it on his show today. I remember the accident, and remember thinking - like everyone else - "Man, he threw it all away". I'm so glad that's not the case. I also remember how K was at Jay Will's bedside, supporting his former player any way he could.

    I always enjoy watching Jay on ESPN, and his intelligence always shines. No one can dissect a game like someone who actually played the game. I'm sad that he wasn't able to have the NBA career his talent would have allowed, but I'm happy that he's found a successful career in broadcasting.

  • thatrollslayer Feb 11, 2013
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    He has been demonstrating that ever since he joined these boards.

  • VT1994Hokie Feb 11, 2013
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    Great one. He has become one of my favorites in what he presents with all teams in basketball. He does his research as well as any.

  • BlueDevils00 Feb 11, 2013
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    Incredible article. Love the part where he said the Duke family helped him thru that time.

  • 903 mens national championships Feb 11, 2013
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    The1 demonstrating another sympton of a typical instance of someone with an inferiority complex.

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Feb 11, 2013
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    ok? So what? You ever made a mistake? You ever made a mistake that should have cost you your life?

  • The1 Feb 11, 2013
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    "Williams was not wearing a helmet, did not have a proper license, was in violation of his contract with the Chicago Bulls"

  • Tizu Feb 11, 2013
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    I just read this on my phone during lunch break. What an amazing story.

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Feb 11, 2013
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    great article.

  • 903 mens national championships Feb 11, 2013
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/10/sports/basketball/a-leg-rebuilt-a-life-renewed-for-jay-williams.html?pagewanted=1&_r=3&ref=sports&

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