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  • kato_karma3.2 Dec 26, 2013
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    yawn...

    basically, the only real differentiator between the two programs currently is a former dookie that logged a total of 11 games for the school in durm...

    and he has yet to take his team the playoffs.

    booger...ba-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • BogeyBoy Dec 26, 2013
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    You may wish to believe it's all about Kyrie Irving and he's certainly the best player in the league out of either school. But it's deeper than that. After Lawson you don't have another player averaging over 12.7 ppg in the league this year. Meanwhile Duke has Redick, Henderson, Deng, and Boozer. So out of the alumni both schools have put in the league 5 of the top 6 scorers are Dukies.

    When it comes to rebounding Plumlee1 and Boozer are both ahead of Henson followed by Deng and McRoberts. So out of the alumni both schools have put in the league 4 out of the top 5 are Dukies.

    In assists it's Lawson, Irving, Felton, McRoberts, and Deng so Duke has 3 out of the top 5.

    Stick with the name calling... anything beyond that and you're just embarrassing yourself.

  • kato_karma3.2 Dec 26, 2013
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    yawn...

    in the NBA, relevancy equates to playoffs...

    which dookies made any noise in last year's playoff??? wrinkle-head flopper plus dung and boozed (who were on the same team)

    for unc??? Lawson, Barnes, Greene, Felton.

    stick with the dookie homerism...

    you wear it well, booger.

    ba-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 903 Hail Providence Dec 26, 2013
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    in the NBA, relevancy equates to playoffs..
    which dookies made any noise in last year's playoff???


    are you joking or just not bright? Without Battier, the Heat probably don't win the finals last year...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/21/shane-battier-miami-heat-game-7-three_n_3476431.html

    Battier made a postseason, career-high six three-point field goals as he scored 18.

    "The guy has won at every single level - high school, college, pro and that's not a coincidence. He has something running through those veins that separates him, makes him a little bit different as a champion."

    It was a Battier three, early in the third quarter that gave Miami a four-point cushion, setting the tone for the second half and igniting the crowd and another of his trademark long-range baskets that made it 88-82.

    Dwyane Wade, who claimed his third NBA championship with Miami, having been part of the 2006 title-winning team, said Battier's display epitomised the way in which the Heat's supporting cast had made a key contribution.

    "In Game Six it was Ray Allen with the big shot and obviously last year Mike Miller had an unbelievable performance," he said.

    "Shane was unconscious. He's just a big-time player. You want that for Shane so bad.

    "He is going to go down as one of my favourite team-mates of all time just by being the guy that he is.

    "And we needed it. We needed every inch of what everybody gave".

  • kato_karma3.2 Dec 26, 2013
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    ^
    yawn...

    kato accounted for wrinkle-head flopper (dookie homerism tends to blind)...Green's overall playoff achievement last season > wrinkle-head flopper.

    Barnes and booze's playoff contributions last season pretty much balance out.

    that leaves Lawson + Felton, which are > than dung's playoff contributions last season.

  • 903 Hail Providence Dec 26, 2013
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    Earlier you said "in the NBA, relevancy equates to playoffs.."...

    Battier won his 2nd ring in 2 years last year. Nothing more relevant than winning rings...

  • kato_karma3.2 Dec 26, 2013
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    ^
    so did Robert McAdoo.

    (no further retorts to 903 dookie homer -- he crossed the line some time ago with his comments about Dean)

  • 903 Hail Providence Dec 26, 2013
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    he crossed the line some time ago with his comments about Dean

    liar...

  • 903 Hail Providence Dec 26, 2013
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    so did Nick Arison...

    http://www.nba.com/heat/contact/directory_narison.html

    Nick Arison, who has been associated with successful teams on every level of basketball and has been a part of championships with the Miami HEAT, Duke University and USA Basketball, enters his 11th year as a full-time member of the HEAT organization and his third as Chief Executive Officer.

    Arison began his basketball administrative career while attending Duke University. He spent four seasons as team manager of the Blue Devils men’s basketball team and was named the head team manager during his senior year. Over that four-year span, Arison became the only team manager in Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) history to be a part of four straight ACC Championships and was a manager for Duke’s 2001 NCAA National Championship team.

  • kato_karma3.2 Dec 26, 2013
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    Now, as in today -- per espn.go.com...

    UNC: 16 players on active NBA rosters
    dook: 15 players on active NBA rosters

    Q: Why did booger-boy cross the road?
    A: Because he was always getting picked on.

    BA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 903 Hail Providence Dec 26, 2013
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    15 players on active NBA rosters

    16...

    http://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/conferences/Atlantic%20Coast%20Conference/1/Duke/31/NBA_Players

  • The truth about MERCER! Dec 26, 2013
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    Nothing more relevant than winning rings

    Battier was the 3rd doook player to win an NBA championship ring.

    28 players from UNC have won rings (as of 2008).

  • 903 Hail Providence Dec 26, 2013
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    The original post that brought this topic up was specifically about last year. Not going back thru history...

    yawn...

    in the NBA, relevancy equates to playoffs...

    which dookies made any noise in last year's playoff???

  • HSfan6789 Dec 26, 2013
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    Who says relevancy relates to playoffs? Oh yeah, the UNCheat fan. Btw, Barnes isn't even starting this year.

  • HSfan6789 Dec 26, 2013
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    Two from last season huh? Relevancy is this season.

  • HSfan6789 Dec 26, 2013
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    What current UNCheat player has taken his team to the playoffs?

  • HSfan6789 Dec 26, 2013
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    What year was that?

  • BogeyBoy Dec 26, 2013
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    Yep, you have one more player in the NBA than Duke right now. But the Duke players are infinitely more productive.

    Fantasy league points generated by Duke players(based on actual game production) - 7493.30

    Fantasy league points generated by UNC players (based on actual game production) - 5746.40

    http://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/tobaccoroad

    And that's with JJ Redick, the fourth leading scorer amongst UNC and Duke alums in the pros missing the last month.

    It's fun watching you squirm around trying to shape your argument to hide the fact that Duke players are so much more productive than UNC's.

  • BogeyBoy Dec 26, 2013
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    All-Star selections for Duke/UNC players who have joined the league since 1999 -

    Duke - 7
    UNC - 0

  • The truth about MERCER! Dec 27, 2013
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    Players with championship rings:

    Dook - 3
    UNC - 28

  • HSfan6789 Dec 27, 2013
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    And what teams were they on and who were the coaches?

  • kato_karma3.2 Dec 27, 2013
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    Here's the info on the 3 dookies...

    Jeff Mullins: non-starter for Golden State '75 (coached by Al Attles)
    Danny Ferry: bench-warmer for San Antonio '03 (coached by Greg Popovich)
    Wrinkle-Head: suitcase holder for Miami/LeBron '12,'13 (coached by Eric Spoelstra)

    UNC data considerably more difficult to capture here...but readers get the drift.

    BA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • HSfan6789 Dec 27, 2013
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    Kato, your kids are crying every month when they have to pay those huge student loans.

  • The truth about MERCER! Dec 27, 2013
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    You know you've won when they respond to facts with personal attacks.

  • BogeyBoy Dec 27, 2013
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    Yep, 27 from the Dean Smith era and before and 1 since then. Like I said, it was a wonderful past but your now is not so good.

    NBA Rookies of the Year since 2000 - Duke 2, UNC 0

  • The truth about MERCER! Dec 27, 2013
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    Yet in that the same time period you reference (after Dean) dook has only one player as well. See how that works.

  • BogeyBoy Dec 27, 2013
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    Yes, it works to tell you that counting championship rings is a poor measure of the quality of play for a player. Rank the players - Charles Barkley, John Stockton, Adam Morrison, and Karl Malone... remember Adam's got two rings!!!

    By every meaningful measure Duke has better players in the pros right now than UNC. By every meaningful measure the gap is even bigger when you look at players in the post-Dean era.

    BTW - Kyrie dropped 40 last night for the second time this season. He did it twice the year before as well. Boozer did it once in both the 2007 and 2008 seasons. Brand did it in 2006. Deng dropped 40 in a game in 2011.

    No UNC player joining the league since the 1999-2000 season has scored 40 points in a game.

    Duke - 8
    UNC - 0

  • The truth about MERCER! Dec 27, 2013
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    But you dookies were the ones who said that winning rings was the most relevant criteria.

    Battier won his 2nd ring in 2 years last year. Nothing more relevant than winning rings...

    - Posted by 903 No Bowls Worth A Til NYE

  • larrys080 Aggies Dec 27, 2013
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    K has never produced a stud at the pro level that could take his team to the promised land. The best hope for K and the very desperate Duke nation is Kyrie Irving.......and lets face it, K didn't have time to screw him up since he only played 11 games at Duke. That's actually kind of funny.....the best player ever for Duke barely even played their!!

    Bottom line......no competition between the two programs all time in the NBA! Next........

  • BogeyBoy Dec 27, 2013
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    Here's a modest hint for you... Duke fans don't speak with a homogeneous voice. If you want to debate the standard of using rings as a measure of relevance with me please do so with my statements, not others.

    In any event it's probably safer ground for you than discussing how, when looking at the players that both schools have put in the league in the post-Dean era:

    40 pt. games - Duke 8, UNC 0
    NBA ROY - Duke 2, UNC 0
    All-Star Selections - Duke 7, UNC 0

    Of all the players both schools currently have in the league:

    5 out of the top 6 leading scorers are Dukies.
    4 out of the top 5 leading rebounders are Dukies.
    3 out of the top 5 leading assist men are Dukies.
    Fantasy league points generated (based off actual stats) - Duke 7563.1, UNC 5833.3 (updated to show the widening gap)

  • larrys080 Aggies Dec 27, 2013
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    I have a better idea!! Lets compare numbers since your GOD K has been coaching college basketball and compare it to the standard in Chapel Hill. Since he's the almighty according to Duke fans like yourself lets see how those numbers look! Waiting...........

  • The truth about MERCER! Dec 27, 2013
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    Duke fans don't speak with a homogeneous voice

    Be careful, coach krechewski may call you in to his office for an "interview".

  • The truth about MERCER! Dec 27, 2013
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    It seems there is one thing we both agree on - Dean was much better at developing talent for the NBA that Kreschewskii.

  • BogeyBoy Dec 27, 2013
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    Played their what?

    There's nothing desperate about Duke nation. In fact, things are pretty wonderful these days. Our guy in the pros are second only to Kentucky in terms of productivity and considerably better than what you're putting out. We're 24-11 against you guys in the last 36 games. We've won 10 out of the last 14 ACC Championships. Our team this year is ranked higher than yours and has a much better shot at the Final Four. Our recruiting class next year features the number 1, 4, 10, and 36 players in the class.

    But hey, you guys did produce Michael Jordan 30 years ago so you go that going for you.

  • 903 Hail Providence Dec 27, 2013
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    Nope, you only partially quoted my post. I was responding to kato's ""in the NBA, relevancy equates to playoffs.."" quote by stating that winning rings were relevant to any discussion about playoffs... I, in fact, disagree with his original post that "in the NBA, relevancy equates to playoffs.. Barkley, Malone, Stockton didn't win as much in the playoffs as say Robert Horry or Derek Fisher but that doesn't take away from their accomplishments in their NBA careers...

  • BogeyBoy Dec 27, 2013
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    That's a wonderfully fresh and original idea Larry. But the conversation is about the state of each program now and how it has trended over recent history.

  • larrys080 Aggies Dec 27, 2013
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    I'll take 2 of the 3 last National Championships between the two schools. What are you basing your chances on of having a beter chance to get to the final 4 this year? Based on what quality win? Seems to me that Carolina has a great recruiting class coming in next year too. Hope you arent basing your measurement of success on recruits that haven't even made it to campus yet......didn't a sure fire stud according to Duke fans just transfer? Be careful!

    ACC tournament championships are worthless now compared to many years ago. Just as if not more important to win the regular season. Head to head hasn't brought you any more success on a national level so really not a big deal! Remember.....on the big stage where it really matters that 0-1 against Lehigh trumps all!

    Basically you just rambeled but have nothing to show for it even with all that hot air!

    Oh........and your coach still hasn't produced ANYTHING even close during his time at Duke that can compare to what UNC has at the NBA level! Next.......

  • BogeyBoy Dec 27, 2013
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    Dean was a great coach and man. I genuinely respect him and what he accomplished. Declaring him "better at developing talent for the NBA" really has to take into account the skill of the players he was working with in the first place though.

    Unfortunately there's no real objective way to say just how good a player guy like say Walter Davis was before getting to UNC because there's no recruiting rankings or anything similar to that from those days. But certainly Dean did a great job of identifying talent and developing what he got.

    It's a shame that with all that talent he wasn't able to win as many games or National Championships as K. I can understand how you guy would pine for those days.

  • larrys080 Aggies Dec 27, 2013
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    So you're saying what coach K did early on at Duke doesn't count? Lmao! It's not because you won't...... you can't! Get you cheer sheet and keep up the good work young man!

  • The truth about MERCER! Dec 27, 2013
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    But the conversation is about the state of each program now and how it has trended over recent history.

    OK, that brings up back to this discussion

    Last 10 years 8 out of 10 years didn't make it past S16 (you know didn't beat a team seeded higher than 8) with all that talent. Something is not adding up eh?

    #1 Sweet 16 Losses
    2004, 2005,2006, 2011

    #2
    2008 (2nd rd loss) 2009, 2012 (1st Rd Loss Lehigh)

    #6
    2007 (1st rd loss)

    - Posted by sportznutV2.1

    http://www.wralsportsfan.com/unc/forum_topic/12434319/?d_full_comments=1&d_comments_page=4&d_id_edit=0&id=


  • larrys080 Aggies Dec 27, 2013
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    Lets not forget.......Carolina has had more talent leave early than Duke. They keep more upper classmen than all the other top programs and still flame out quicker.

    Have you ever wondered why they always win big early on in the season? Other teams are having to play their freshmen while K has all his starters returning. By the time March gets here the youth has caught up and the match is lit.....or should I say.......flaming out!

  • 903 Hail Providence Dec 27, 2013
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    bottom line. Duke has more quality players in the NBA and has the most recent Elite 8, Final 4, National Championship game, National Championship title, has won 7 of the last 9, has a higher current ranking, and has a better recruiting class coming next year than UNC...

  • larrys080 Aggies Dec 27, 2013
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    Bottom line:

    All of that hasn't translated to more success than Carolina over the last 10 years.

    Next.....

  • BogeyBoy Dec 27, 2013
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    2 out of the last 3 sure sounds better than 2 out of the last 4 I guess.

    Larry, if you're going to make an argument let's try to do it without some lame strawman like "didn't a sure fire stud according to Duke fans just transfer?" I mean, I can live with trying to decipher your typing into English but it's just not worth the effort if you're going not at least going to put forth something worth discussing. Alex Murphy was, on average, the #40 recruit in his class so trying to declare him as someone that everyone was declaring to be a sure fire stud is disingenuous at best and just a lazy argument.

    You should really calm down and stop just flinging ish and hoping something hits. The "ACC Championships don't mean anything" became a lot more popular when Duke started dominating the tournament. And sure... going 11-24 against Duke in the last 36 isn't a big deal. Heck, I bet you don't really care if you lose those games. If losing in the first round of the NCAAT trumps everything where does not even making the tourney come in? 2010 was a great year. Both Duke and UNC played for a national championship. It's just that UNC's had an "NIT" in front of it and they couldn't even close the deal there.

    It appears I have to repeat this for you again - we were talking about the quality of players coming out of each school these days. What does any of the tuff you've said have to do with that?

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    and the last 10 years hasn't stopped:

    Duke has more quality players in the NBA and has the most recent Elite 8, Final 4, National Championship game, National Championship title, has won 7 of the last 9, has a higher current ranking, and has a better recruiting class coming next year than UNC

  • larrys080 Aggies Dec 27, 2013
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    2-1 where it counts

  • kato_karma3.2 Dec 27, 2013
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    WOW...booger-boy should know that such excessive key-stroking only shows how much he needs to calm down.

    (with a little luck, ball-dominator Parker will lead dook beyond the Sour 16 in consecutive years for the first time since Jabari was in like kindergarten, and the dookies can chill a tad bit)

  • 903 Hail Providence Dec 27, 2013
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    1-0 counts more... and why does your selective period not include 2001?

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    No Larry, I'm saying what happened 25 years ago is not relevant to the conversation we're having. This thread started mocking the play of Mason Plumlee in the NBA. The response was that Mason may be struggling but overall Duke has better talent in the NBA right now.

    That's something that Tar Heel fans simply cannot come to grips with so you and others have spent the last few days not debating that or accepting it but simply trying to change the criteria as to what constitutes better or shifting the focus on to safer sands from a bygone time.

    Can you point to anything that would suggest that the players UNC has in the NBA are performing better this season than those from Duke? Is there anything you can point to that would suggest that the players that UNC has put in the league since 2000 are better than those that Duke has?

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    0-1 in your own backyard against a #15 seed says it all!

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