New Year, same old problems - short bench, no big men....

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  • heelgrad1978 Nov 15, 2:57 p.m.
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    Wow... Zone defense was outlawed in the NBA in 1947, Jan 11, to be precise.

    You might want to... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    You might want to "brush up on those details":

    http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/33743... View More

    — Posted by 903 Hook em banned

    I thought they brought it back. You do have to be carefully of the paint though in the NBA while on Defense.

  • heelgrad1978 Nov 15, 2:56 p.m.
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    Because i stated facts about the past 25 years? This sounds like something my UNC Wal-mart fans... View More

    — Posted by heelgrad1978

    Here's one fact that I know you are wrong. I am in no way affilated with UNC.

    My Kid may go... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    Perfect School for Engineering. I don't understand why you attack me. Have you never seen an... View More

    — Posted by heelgrad1978

    You stated I was a UNC grad. That is a slap to my face. So... who (you) attacked who(me) first,... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    You called me a troll for stating the fact that Duke is hands down the best program the last 25 years in basketball if you go by facts. Just because I am a UNC fan doesn't mean I am not fair to the truth or put blindfolds up. I am a proud Grad, but I am an honest Grad first.

  • 903 Hook em banned Nov 15, 2:53 p.m.
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    Wow... Zone defense was outlawed in the NBA in 1947, Jan 11, to be precise.

    You might want to... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    You might want to "brush up on those details":

    http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/337437-zone-defense-in-the-nba-is-it-good-for-the-game

  • dukefanv12 Nov 15, 2:50 p.m.
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    the only connection you have with with UNC is a self bestowed nickname. Go troll elsewhere....

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    Because i stated facts about the past 25 years? This sounds like something my UNC Wal-mart fans... View More

    — Posted by heelgrad1978

    Here's one fact that I know you are wrong. I am in no way affilated with UNC.

    My Kid may go... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    Perfect School for Engineering. I don't understand why you attack me. Have you never seen an... View More

    — Posted by heelgrad1978

    You stated I was a UNC grad. That is a slap to my face. So... who (you) attacked who(me) first, and who(me) defended himself against the slander?

  • heelgrad1978 Nov 15, 2:46 p.m.
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    You guys are doing something right. You have more titles and wins then anybody the last 25... View More

    — Posted by heelgrad1978

    the only connection you have with with UNC is a self bestowed nickname. Go troll elsewhere....

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    Because i stated facts about the past 25 years? This sounds like something my UNC Wal-mart fans... View More

    — Posted by heelgrad1978

    Here's one fact that I know you are wrong. I am in no way affilated with UNC.

    My Kid may go... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    Perfect School for Engineering. I don't understand why you attack me. Have you never seen an honest UNC man before? I'm just stating facts by the way.

  • dukefanv12 Nov 15, 2:42 p.m.
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    You guys are doing something right. You have more titles and wins then anybody the last 25... View More

    — Posted by heelgrad1978

    the only connection you have with with UNC is a self bestowed nickname. Go troll elsewhere....

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    Because i stated facts about the past 25 years? This sounds like something my UNC Wal-mart fans... View More

    — Posted by heelgrad1978

    Here's one fact that I know you are wrong. I am in no way affilated with UNC.

    My Kid may go to State, but I can forgive her for that. (it is a better engineering school)

  • dukefanv12 Nov 15, 2:39 p.m.
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    Wow... Zone defense was outlawed in the NBA in 1947, Jan 11, to be precise.

    You might want to brush up on those details, before you sound more like that supposed heelgrad....

  • heelgrad1978 Nov 15, 2:36 p.m.
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    You guys are doing something right. You have more titles and wins then anybody the last 25... View More

    — Posted by heelgrad1978

    the only connection you have with with UNC is a self bestowed nickname. Go troll elsewhere....

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    Because i stated facts about the past 25 years? This sounds like something my UNC Wal-mart fans would say. Don't worry my brother, things will get better for us once Roy is gone. Trust me.

  • 903 Hook em banned Nov 15, 2:32 p.m.
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    You don't need a "significant center presence" to win in basketball anymore. Look at... View More

    — Posted by 903 Hook em banned

    Sigh.... Looks like more education is needed.... I know you don't "Get It", but this... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    Their centers are power forwards playing the 5 because Lebron can't play the 4 and 5 at the same... View More

    — Posted by 903 Hook em banned

    Oh.. so we can add LeBron's 36 minutes to the totals. Even more embarrassment.

    Oh... and to add... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    we can add LeBron's 36 minutes to the totals

    No, because Lebron (not LeBron) plays the 4... The other guys aren't true centers either.

    I was unaware that the shot clock was changed, and zone defenses are disallowed in the NCAA.

    zones are allowed in both leagues but not used very often in either with the exception of a Cuse team and a few Big 10 teams. No NBA teams play zone because the shooters are too good. and with the new rules points of emphasis to eliminate hand checking in college, the shot clock being decreased is the next change that will be proposed and passed since it's more like the NBA already.

  • dukefanv12 Nov 15, 2:27 p.m.
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    You guys are doing something right. You have more titles and wins then anybody the last 25... View More

    — Posted by heelgrad1978

    the only connection you have with with UNC is a self bestowed nickname. Go troll elsewhere....

  • heelgrad1978 Nov 15, 2:26 p.m.
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    You don't need a "significant center presence" to win in basketball anymore. Look at... View More

    — Posted by 903 Hook em banned

    Sigh.... Looks like more education is needed.... I know you don't "Get It", but this... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    Their centers are power forwards playing the 5 because Lebron can't play the 4 and 5 at the same... View More

    — Posted by 903 Hook em banned

    Oh.. so we can add LeBron's 36 minutes to the totals. Even more embarrassment.

    Oh... and to add... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    My fellow UNC Grad, i don't think we should mention the word "zone defenses" while talking junk to our rivals.

    Remember that egg we laid with our "HOF" coach? (lol).

  • dukefanv12 Nov 15, 2:23 p.m.
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    Jefferson and Hairston are NOT, but any stretch of the imagination, a significant center... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    You don't need a "significant center presence" to win in basketball anymore. Look at... View More

    — Posted by 903 Hook em banned

    Sigh.... Looks like more education is needed.... I know you don't "Get It", but this... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    Their centers are power forwards playing the 5 because Lebron can't play the 4 and 5 at the same... View More

    — Posted by 903 Hook em banned

    Oh.. so we can add LeBron's 36 minutes to the totals. Even more embarrassment.

    Oh... and to add to that... I was unaware that the shot clock was changed, and zone defenses are disallowed in the NCAA. Oh, BTW... the NBA doesn't call the hand check like the NCAA does this year.

    Please keep the comments coming... I feel like Mutombo on a geico commercial.. HA HA HA HA

  • MoDukev3 Nov 15, 2:17 p.m.
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    You have to look at the big picture and assess the talent around Jabari. Duke will be just... View More

    — Posted by Brackettville2.0

    Against the likes of lessor opponets, sure. 30+ wins.... Book it.

    But aren't we in this to win... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    Sorry bout dat sassie but with or without PJ you ain't even close to a title contender. The closest ya'll will come to a title contender is when you play one.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

  • heelgrad1978 Nov 15, 2:16 p.m.
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    You guys are doing something right. You have more titles and wins then anybody the last 25 years or so. Running a clean program along the way also. You have this UNC Grad jealous!!

  • 903 Hook em banned Nov 15, 2:12 p.m.
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    So...Amile, Josh, and Marshall account for 38 minutes in that game and would usually be in the 5... View More

    — Posted by seedofdoubt

    Jefferson and Hairston are NOT, but any stretch of the imagination, a significant center... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    You don't need a "significant center presence" to win in basketball anymore. Look at... View More

    — Posted by 903 Hook em banned

    Sigh.... Looks like more education is needed.... I know you don't "Get It", but this... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    Their centers are power forwards playing the 5 because Lebron can't play the 4 and 5 at the same time. And I don't know if you've noticed (probably because your team has only played Oakland), but the NCAA has introduced new rules that are making the college game more like the NBA than the old college game...

  • roylovescanada Nov 15, 2:11 p.m.
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    If we land Okafor, the discussion about a center presence will be null and void.

    — Posted by hoodwinked82

    True.. but we'll be lacking a beast of a PF by then.

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    i guess Jefferson is bad too.....oh boy. Poor Hans.

  • dukefanv12 Nov 15, 2:09 p.m.
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    If we land Okafor, the discussion about a center presence will be null and void.

    — Posted by hoodwinked82

    True.. but we'll be lacking a beast of a PF by then.

  • dukefanv12 Nov 15, 2:06 p.m.
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    "Those watching Tuesday’s Champions Classic noticed that the Blue Devils were using 6-8... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    So...Amile, Josh, and Marshall account for 38 minutes in that game and would usually be in the 5... View More

    — Posted by seedofdoubt

    Jefferson and Hairston are NOT, but any stretch of the imagination, a significant center... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    You don't need a "significant center presence" to win in basketball anymore. Look at... View More

    — Posted by 903 Hook em banned

    Sigh.... Looks like more education is needed.... I know you don't "Get It", but this is really becoming embarrassing. You should be paying me for all this education. The NBA not equal to NCAA, and is an apples to oranges comparison.

    Beside, the Heat gets 53 minutes, on average, from their 3 centers, all of which would have a significant center presence for us, and Yes, when they were of college age.

    Any other wild hairs?

  • Brackettville2.0 Nov 15, 2:00 p.m.
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    If we land Okafor, the discussion about a center presence will be null and void.

    — Posted by hoodwinked82

    :)

  • hoodwinked82 Nov 15, 1:58 p.m.
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    If we land Okafor, the discussion about a center presence will be null and void.

  • 903 Hook em banned Nov 15, 1:55 p.m.
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    "Those watching Tuesday’s Champions Classic noticed that the Blue Devils were using 6-8... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    So...Amile, Josh, and Marshall account for 38 minutes in that game and would usually be in the 5... View More

    — Posted by seedofdoubt

    Jefferson and Hairston are NOT, but any stretch of the imagination, a significant center... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    You don't need a "significant center presence" to win in basketball anymore. Look at the Miami Heat...

  • dukefanv12 Nov 15, 1:52 p.m.
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    You have to look at the big picture and assess the talent around Jabari. Duke will be just... View More

    — Posted by Brackettville2.0

    Against the likes of lessor opponets, sure. 30+ wins.... Book it.

    But aren't we in this to win the whole thing? I want NT's, not Lehigh's.....

  • dukefanv12 Nov 15, 1:50 p.m.
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    "Those watching Tuesday’s Champions Classic noticed that the Blue Devils were using 6-8... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    So...Amile, Josh, and Marshall account for 38 minutes in that game and would usually be in the 5... View More

    — Posted by seedofdoubt

    Jefferson and Hairston are NOT, but any stretch of the imagination, a significant center presence... Plumblee has the size, but has, in my opinion, been underdeveloped while at Duke, and doesn't play like a center with presence.

  • Brackettville2.0 Nov 15, 12:58 p.m.
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    You have to look at the big picture and assess the talent around Jabari. Duke will be just... View More

    — Posted by Brackettville2.0

    LOL. What happened to the world beaters dook team you incessantly bragged about. Now they're... View More

    — Posted by JacobSummers the genius

    Who said they were world beaters? Who said they would go undefeated?
    LOL
    bwaa ha a a a a a aha a a a a a

  • JacobSummers the genius Nov 15, 12:11 p.m.
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    You have to look at the big picture and assess the talent around Jabari. Duke will be just... View More

    — Posted by Brackettville2.0

    LOL. What happened to the world beaters dook team you incessantly bragged about. Now they're... View More

    — Posted by JacobSummers the genius

    You STUP*D BASTA*D!!!!

    — Posted by onceauncfanalwaysaasshole

    Reported

  • JacobSummers the genius Nov 15, 11:58 a.m.
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    You have to look at the big picture and assess the talent around Jabari. Duke will be just... View More

    — Posted by Brackettville2.0

    LOL. What happened to the world beaters dook team you incessantly bragged about. Now they're just "fine". Bwahahahaha

  • seedofdoubt Nov 15, 11:47 a.m.
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    "Those watching Tuesday’s Champions Classic noticed that the Blue Devils were using 6-8... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    So...Amile, Josh, and Marshall account for 38 minutes in that game and would usually be in the 5 spot but Jabari was playing center? Seems odd, does it not? Sure looked like Jabari was out around the 3 point line quite a lot. He was defending Ellis at different points in the game, perhaps that was what Kuznia was alluding to.

  • Brackettville2.0 Nov 15, 11:45 a.m.
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    You have to look at the big picture and assess the talent around Jabari. Duke will be just fine. They will get plenty of points in the paint and rebounds.

  • Brackettville2.0 Nov 15, 11:35 a.m.
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    And thus starts a new year for Duke BBall. We think we're ok, since we scrimmage against... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    I wouldn't jump off the bandwagon because Duke had a bad night at the line against a legit final 4 contender. Every team has areas to improve in. Duke is no different. Duke could have won that game if a couple of small things change. It is not like Duke got manhandled. This is not the same ole Duke team. Give me a break dude.

  • dukefanv12 Nov 15, 11:08 a.m.
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    "Those watching Tuesday’s Champions Classic noticed that the Blue Devils were using 6-8 Jabari Parker as their center, an indication of their lack of quality depth inside" - Roger Kuznia - Sporting News

  • The truth about MERCER! Nov 14, 5:36 p.m.
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    My point, for those not intellectually challenged, was that they don't get to play long enough... View More

    — Posted by seedofdoubt

    maybe because of all the fouls being called....get to the line. But we shot those horrible.

    — Posted by roylovescanada

    we make 60-70% of the shots at the line and we win the game...

    — Posted by ELDIABLOS

    They shot 68.8% (22-32).

  • 903 Hook em banned Nov 14, 5:13 p.m.
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    It's still early. So far one game against Davidson and one game against KU. I don't have any... View More

    — Posted by 903 Hook em banned

    You never do "Get it"... In an excellent opportunity to see how ALL of his players are... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    In an excellent opportunity to see how ALL of his players are developing in a GAME situation, he plays 8-12 a total of 36 minutes, or the average of 7 minutes each. It should have been more like 20 minutes each.

    The same way McKillop did?

  • seedofdoubt Nov 14, 5:10 p.m.
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    It sure would be a hoot to have the starters ride the pine this Friday and watch the rest of the team compete for a win. Never happen, of course.

  • dukefanv12 Nov 14, 4:59 p.m.
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    It's still early. So far one game against Davidson and one game against KU. I don't have any... View More

    — Posted by 903 Hook em banned

    You never do "Get it"... In an excellent opportunity to see how ALL of his players are developing in a GAME situation, he plays 8-12 a total of 36 minutes, or the average of 7 minutes each. It should have been more like 20 minutes each.

    So it doesn't look like K has changed his stubborn ways.

  • ELDIABLOS Nov 14, 3:25 p.m.
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    My point, for those not intellectually challenged, was that they don't get to play long enough... View More

    — Posted by seedofdoubt

    maybe because of all the fouls being called....get to the line. But we shot those horrible.

    — Posted by roylovescanada

    we make 60-70% of the shots at the line and we win the game...

  • 903 Hook em banned Nov 14, 3:16 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    It's still early. So far one game against Davidson and one game against KU. I don't have any problem with the way minutes were given out against KU because KU was a winnable game only if the very best players exceeded or matched their expected number of minutes.

    As for Davidson,

    http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400502661

    12 guys played. Maybe K has changed his stubborn ways about playing bench players in real game situations...

  • roylovescanada Nov 14, 3:06 p.m.
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    My point, for those not intellectually challenged, was that they don't get to play long enough... View More

    — Posted by seedofdoubt

    maybe because of all the fouls being called....get to the line. But we shot those horrible.

  • heelgrad1978 Nov 14, 2:51 p.m.
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    As a UNC man i have to give it to Duke and say you have an awesome team and hands down the best coach around. As far as this season it is very early and i think you guys will be just fine and have a great chance at number 5. You have a very young team and it will take all season to grow. Good Luck, i am not looking forward to playing you guys this year.

  • dukefanv12 Nov 14, 2:48 p.m.
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    Seed / Tizu... we can lead them to water...

  • seedofdoubt Nov 14, 2:22 p.m.
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    My point, for those not intellectually challenged, was that they don't get to play long enough to prove their worth. Practice is one thing, in game is another. They will never get the experience needed to play more in games if they don't get to...play in games.

    Good point, Tizu. Game play IS very different than practice. Have to ask...why did Duke decide to drive to the basket the last 2 minutes instead of looking for the 3? Not asking anyone to be K, but it did seem odd.

  • 903 Hook em banned Nov 14, 1:44 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    Hard to believe any UNC fan is upset about a coach's rotations... I mean, I can't remember them ever second-guessing Roy's rotations...

  • Prof. Swahili Nov 14, 1:35 p.m.
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    The time the bench players get in practice, going against the starting five, is when they have... View More

    — Posted by 903 Hook em banned

    And that results in two things. a short bench, and the undevelopment of players...

    which then... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    The only thing I care about, after the Kansas game Tuesday, is finding a rotation that's good... View More

    — Posted by 903 Hook em banned

    If we are truly there, and players like Murphy and Plumblee don't come to fruition, we're not... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    Good post from a true fan who is genuinely concerned. this is why coach k has never enjoyed the high level of success of Dean or Roy.

  • 903 Hook em banned Nov 14, 12:43 p.m.
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    ...and just because Wohojahowsky played like someone @ 5' 2" and never posted anyone up in... View More

    — Posted by kato_karma2.8

    Wojo coached two Plumlees onto current NBA rosters...

    oh, and Wojo coaches the guards. Capel coaches the big men...

  • kato_karma2.8 Nov 14, 12:34 p.m.
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    ...and just because Wohojahowsky played like someone @ 5' 2" and never posted anyone up in his life does not mean he is incapable of coaching-up those front-court fellows.

  • 903 Hook em banned Nov 14, 12:16 p.m.
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    The time the bench players get in practice, going against the starting five, is when they have... View More

    — Posted by 903 Hook em banned

    And that results in two things. a short bench, and the undevelopment of players...

    which then... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    The only thing I care about, after the Kansas game Tuesday, is finding a rotation that's good... View More

    — Posted by 903 Hook em banned

    If we are truly there, and players like Murphy and Plumblee don't come to fruition, we're not... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    nope. the hope is that the current rotation improves at a faster rate than the other contenders and duke will be in a position to beat anyone in the country on any given night come april...

  • dukefanv12 Nov 14, 12:03 p.m.
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    The time the bench players get in practice, going against the starting five, is when they have... View More

    — Posted by 903 Hook em banned

    And that results in two things. a short bench, and the undevelopment of players...

    which then... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    The only thing I care about, after the Kansas game Tuesday, is finding a rotation that's good... View More

    — Posted by 903 Hook em banned

    If we are truly there, and players like Murphy and Plumblee don't come to fruition, we're not going to be able to score more points than Kansas next time, and we don't have the team to beat MSU or UK in March either.

    There is no one else to improve the rotation.

    Yet to see what other teams develop from the next set, but they all are going to improve, and we're stuck with .... Oh... a short bench, and no big men.....

  • 903 Hook em banned Nov 14, 11:50 a.m.
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    The time the bench players get in practice, going against the starting five, is when they have... View More

    — Posted by 903 Hook em banned

    And that results in two things. a short bench, and the undevelopment of players...

    which then... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    The only thing I care about, after the Kansas game Tuesday, is finding a rotation that's good enough to score more than them if we play them again in April. It's more than likely that that rotation won't include Murphy or Plumlee unless they can prove themselves in practice and earn their way into that rotation.

  • roylovescanada Nov 14, 11:50 a.m.
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    The time the bench players get in practice, going against the starting five, is when they have... View More

    — Posted by 903 Hook em banned

    And that results in two things. a short bench, and the undevelopment of players...

    which then... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    good ole Hans.....wow.

  • dukefanv12 Nov 14, 11:14 a.m.
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    The time the bench players get in practice, going against the starting five, is when they have... View More

    — Posted by 903 Hook em banned

    And that results in two things. a short bench, and the undevelopment of players...

    which then results in either, if the 'choosen' players play at the top level every game, they have a good season, and when they don't... we have Lehigh.

    And I'd really like to avoid another Lehigh....

  • Tizu Nov 14, 10:45 a.m.
    Sports Legend

    "You're talking about practice man....practice..."

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