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  • dukefanv12 Nov 14, 8:10 a.m.
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    And thus starts a new year for Duke BBall. We think we're ok, since we scrimmage against... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    2 games and you have the GALL to define the entire season. Kansas won that game in the last 4... View More

    — Posted by seedofdoubt

    Our two best players have to be our scorers (Cook, Thonrton,Jefferson, Sulaimon can't carry that load), defend the teams other power players, and rebound. Just too much to ask against another team with many bigs. We'll win the ACC, and be a top ranked team, as we usually are, but it doesn't dismiss, or negate that we don't have a Boozer or Brand presence, and teams are going to attempt to exploit that weakness.

    As for the bench, my opinion, is that they should have played significant minutes in the Davidson game - as much as the starters. Develop them when he can... K just chooses not to. Another weakness.

    You called this Gall. It isn't. Having the ability to objectively look at, and provide unemotional constructive comments about the team, does not dismiss the ability to be a true fan. I think it makes me MORE a fan than the rest who can't. (yes, read this as YOU)

    BTW (can't resist)... how big is Lutz?

  • Tizu Nov 14, 8:41 a.m.
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    I understand where you're coming from, and you make a valid argument. The difference is, Duke does not actually have a short bench, they are pretty deep. The problem is, those that are on the bench (when they do get in the game) don't show their worth while in the game. That, and I'm with you on this one, Coach K doesn't play them as much as he should. How they went the entire game against Kansas without playing Dawkins is baffling. He should have at least gotten 10 minutes in that contest. Maybe it would have made a difference, maybe it wouldn't have...but we (the fans / almuni) want to know what we have on the bench, and we cannot make that determination by never seeing them play. Matt Jones played what, 2-3 minutes? Had no chance to get in the game before he was pulled. Semi didn't play, either.

    With all those shooters on the bench, it's highly, highly unlikely all of them will be cold at the same time. Either way, Coach K knows what he's doing, and I trust his judgement over my own as I don't get the pleasure of seeing the players practice every day.

  • The truth about MERCER! Nov 14, 8:53 a.m.
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    I understand where you're coming from, and you make a valid argument. The difference is, Duke... View More

    — Posted by Tizu

    Duke does not actually have a short bench, they are pretty deep. The problem is, those that are on the bench (when they do get in the game) don't show their worth while in the game

    Isn't that the definition of a short bench? Players who cannot be productive when call on to play?

  • roylovescanada Nov 14, 9:04 a.m.
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    And thus starts a new year for Duke BBall. We think we're ok, since we scrimmage against... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    Good Ole Hans.....instead of trolling State boards today he has made his way back to Duke boards.

  • dukefanv12 Nov 14, 9:17 a.m.
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    I understand where you're coming from, and you make a valid argument. The difference is, Duke... View More

    — Posted by Tizu

    Duke does not actually have a short bench, they are pretty deep. The problem is, those that are... View More

    — Posted by The truth about MERCER!

    Sounds like a self fulfilling prophecy, or a catch 22.

  • 903 Hook em banned Nov 14, 9:25 a.m.
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    I understand where you're coming from, and you make a valid argument. The difference is, Duke... View More

    — Posted by Tizu

    Duke does not actually have a short bench, they are pretty deep. The problem is, those that are... View More

    — Posted by The truth about MERCER!

    They have some players on the bench with potential to be contributors. But Coach K won't ever play a player unless they earn playing time in practice. Plumlee and Murphy got in the game the other night but as soon as they made mistakes, they were done for the night with the exception of Murphy coming back in after Jabari fouled out and the game was out of reach. It's still a long season with lots of time for the rotation to change.

  • kato_karma2.8 Nov 14, 9:54 a.m.
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    Sounds like a self fulfilling prophecy, or a catch 22.
    - Posted by dukefanv12

    Sounds like a short bench.

  • Ken D. Nov 14, 10:21 a.m.
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    And thus starts a new year for Duke BBall. We think we're ok, since we scrimmage against... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    2 games and you have the GALL to define the entire season. Kansas won that game in the last 4... View More

    — Posted by seedofdoubt

    Our two best players have to be our scorers (Cook, Thonrton,Jefferson, Sulaimon can't carry that... View More

    — Posted by dukefanv12

    I don't know that I've ever seen "ability to provide objective analysis about a team" as one of the qualities of a "true fan". Be that as it may, I'm sure your abilities would be invaluable to AD Kevin White. He needs somebody to mentor his young, inexperienced coach as he learns his craft. I'm sure he'd appreciate your insights into how K could better utilize his bench.

  • Tizu Nov 14, 10:24 a.m.
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    I understand where you're coming from, and you make a valid argument. The difference is, Duke... View More

    — Posted by Tizu

    Duke does not actually have a short bench, they are pretty deep. The problem is, those that are... View More

    — Posted by The truth about MERCER!

    My point, for those not intellectually challenged, was that they don't get to play long enough to prove their worth. Practice is one thing, in game is another. They will never get the experience needed to play more in games if they don't get to...play in games.

    But I wouldn't expect some of you to be able to pick up on that. Sorry for not being clear enough for the Kindergartner's.

  • Ken D. Nov 14, 10:38 a.m.
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    One reason coaches schedule what are sometimes derisively called "cupcakes" is to provide opportunities for their young players to get on the court for more than mop up duty. Clearly, Tuesday's game didn't qualify as such an opportunity.

    Duke used basically an 8 man rotation against Davidson. Of the four players who didn't play as much, only Ojeleye is new to the system. The others (Dawkins, Murphy and Plumlee) have had time to show what they can do, and I can only assume that the coaches feel there is something lacking. Maybe it's effort, maybe it's conditioning, maybe it's health. Maybe they just aren't as good as the 8 players who got 90% of the minutes. Whatever it is, I trust the Duke staff to get it right. This isn't their first rodeo.

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