- Posted by kato_karma.01
Verbatum...page 3, post 5.
And nobody is saying that State is a powerhouse like Alabama, just that State's football program is clearly better than UNC's or any other program in the state.
Again, a logical argument to the contrary simply cannot be mounted.
- Posted by Juicy E Fruit
That said, UNC can not claim to be better in said window...nor can the ACC claim very much in the same timeframe wrt consistent national (BCS) football relevance.
Okay, again...is that all you've got? I did reference the logical argument at least a couple of times previously...so is that all you've got? One error on my part?
You are right: UNC cannot claim to be better. And neither can any other program in the state. Since I made the claim, I will stick with it. Not even Wake. Wake can claim to have one season in that time frame that certainly was better than any of ours, but overall, in that time frame, they are NOT, under any measure of sustained success, better than State.
Jim Grobe, for all the good times he's had at Wake, is 68-67 there.
He's been to 5 bowls, and Caldwell went to one in that time frame.
Now Grobe DID win the ACC one year, and that's nothing to sneer at, but that's it.
He gets a lot of credit for making ANY bowls on a semi-consistent basis at a school like Wake, but once you eliminate the "that's really good at a school like Wake" factor, all you have left is the records.
And Wake has less bowls, less winning seasons, less wins total. So I don't see any logical argument that Wake has been better since 1998 than State.
However, they HAVE been better than UNC, lol. That's a much closer argument there, but Wake wins that one.