Today Logan said "ECU will not make the 64"
Ken D. Nov 22, 10:30 a.m.
Or, they could start the season a week earlier and play 13 games. Which is where I think we're headed. Then you could drop the league championship games, and instead of having two teams per conference with 13 games, they all can get the extra payday. And keep all the rivalries and cupcakes in the bargain. The 16 team leagues break into four pods. Play everybody in your pod plus two each from the other pods. Nobody has more than three main rivals.
As for Boise, I don't think the PAC would ever take them. They look on them as a glorified community college from an academic standpoint. Football is the only thing they have going for them. BYU could wind up in the PAC - heck, maybe even Notre Dame for football only - but beyond that I don't see any natural fits.
Maybe at 14 teams, the PAC could be two 7 team divisions with a six game division schedule. Teams could be encouraged to schedule games against non-division PAC opponents but not require it, in order to accommodate Notre Dame. Only division games would count in the standings for championship purposes.
There are lots of non-traditional ways to make something like this work.
lazydawg58 Nov 22, 10:24 a.m.
How about this. Since the 64 take all the big money off the table why not have everybody else drop back to the FCS division. They cut their athletic budgets significantly, don't have to have as many players on scholarship, and have a playoff system to compete for a true national championship. They could also be in those compact regional conferences with natural rivalries.
I know no one wants to consider that but if we end up with the super 64 everyone else is shutout. Reality is a beach. It would enhance the position of the FCS, make it stronger and give it a higher profile. Maybe there would be a place for better TV contracts than would be availible otherwise.
Just thinking out loud.
lazydawg58 Nov 22, 10:14 a.m.
my head is spinning
hovis Nov 22, 10:13 a.m.
Right. 64 is mentioned because it is the "top end" number. More than 16 teams per conference would require schools to either not play all teams in their side of the conference, lose a rivalry cross conference fame, or drop one of the minor league home games that most schools schedule every year. This is not what they would want optimally.
Have you noticed the teams not on this list? N.dame would be sure to give up the independent thing I think if all this went down. B.State? There are a few others. Whoever gets left out could be a boon to the other teams even if it is only temporary.
Ken D. Nov 22, 9:57 a.m.
I don't know if 64 teams would be the number, just because there aren't enough schools in the far west that would be suitable to the PAC 12 IMO. But I could see the following moves, which make some logical sense to me, at least.
UNC and UVa to the B1G gets them to 16.
Miami and VT gets the SEC there.
The Big XII takes FSU, GT, Clemson, NCSU, Pitt and Louisville (they already have WVa).
That cripples both the ACC and Big East, leaving them, combined, with Wake, Duke, Syracuse, BC, UConn, Temple and Cincy. They could add Army and Navy for football only and have a nice 9 team league, while Providence, St John's, Seton Hall, Villanova and Georgetown for other sports makes them a blockbuster 12 team basketball conference.
That scenario, of course, still leaves ECU on the outside looking in. But it does put USF, UCF and Memphis back in play. Add them to ECU, Old Dominion, Charlotte, UAB and Southern Miss and you have an 8 team league at least as good as the Big East in football. And you give ECU five non-conference games instead of four to schedule the other NC schools.
hovis Nov 22, 9:35 a.m.
I think so too for the time being. But that is what I think this whole" pay the players " thing that they are pushing is for. When they have all the money and then give their kids each the 1k per month they speak of, how could you even convince decent players to play for you? Huge recruiting budgets, prime time viewership through their contracts, paid players. The left out programs would experience a quick death.
Ken D. Nov 22, 9:24 a.m.
I could see them breaking away in football, but not in other sports. Basketball is still a moneymaker, and there are a lot of good teams outside this group. In fact, I could easily see Duke being left out of that group. The NCAA does not now control the FBS - only the lower divisions, FCS and below. So it wouldn't be that hard for them to cede all authority over big-time football.
lazydawg58 Nov 22, 8:28 a.m.
So there will be yet another division within the NCAA, unless these 64 break away from the NCAA. They could call themselves the semipro league.
hovis Nov 21, 6:24 p.m.
No. And that is their goal.
Ken D. Nov 21, 5:49 p.m.
He doesn't usually mince words. At some point, political correctness will fall by the wayside, and ESPN will stop caring whether teams from outside the power conferences ever get a shot at anything more than a consolation prize.
I see (in the near future) conference championship games in the Big Four being replaced by the first round of an eight team playoff which includes the two top teams in each conference. The winners go on to two of the four major bowls for the semifinals, and the losers go to the other two major bowls as a consolation prize. And pretty much all of the big bucks ESPN shells out being divided among those 64 schools.
How can anybody else ever compete with that?
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