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  • Pirates of the East Nov 27, 2012
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    ECU joining Big East for football only, Tulane joining for all sports.

    I really hope we can some how get all our sports in. But if not I guess we'll have to move Olympic sports to the A-10 or CAA, it'd be great to keep them in CUSA but they won't allow that.

  • hovis Nov 27, 2012
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    Wow. What a great thing for ECU. Congrats pirates.

  • tcoutouzis Nov 27, 2012
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    Terry better have an ace up his sleeve. Our Olympic sports will be headed to the SOCON or some other lower tiered conference.

    A-10 is a "no" and we left on bad terms with the CAA, not to mention that we are stealing ODU from them. What a horrible decision.

    We can't afford to fly out to Boise and SDSU when we play the western foes. That is insane.

    Bad decision by Terry and the Board of Trustees. It is all sports on nothing.

  • Pirates of the East Nov 27, 2012
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    Hopefully TH can make a deal with CUSA to allow us to keep our oly sports here. The A10 wouldn't be bad but it really hurts baseball, basketball is a laterally move from CUSA.

  • Ken D. Nov 27, 2012
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    I really don't expect Boise and SDSU to stay in the BE once the BCS ties have been cut. Boise's path to an invite to a major bowl will be just as easy out of a western conference. They don't need a BE that won't be any stronger than what they currently have in the Mountain West.

  • hovis Nov 27, 2012
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    Last time i looked (and it has been a while) the Big East payout was something like 8-9 mill per team. 3 or 3.5 mill was basketball. The large part of this money was including the BCS payout. I must admit that I do not know when their basketball contract and whoever it is with. I wonder what the money will be in 2014.

  • hovis Nov 27, 2012
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    The best estimate that I could find was that even if ECU only goes in for FB only they would likely receive an extra 3 to 3.5 million dollar increase in revenue. This estimate included the loss of BCS income and the schools that have not declared their exit yet staying. It was an estimate of the contract resulting from that. It does not include extra costs that may be associated with extra travel for non revenue sports.

  • Ken D. Nov 27, 2012
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    It's hard to tell what this will mean to ECU until everybody stops moving. I don't think the B1G, and the SEC are finished adding schools. I could even see the ACC dissolving, with the real football schools of that league anchoring a new conference that leaves schools like Wake Forest and Duke on the outside looking in.

    This isn't over, IMO. Not by a long shot.

  • VT1994Hokie Nov 27, 2012
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    That's kinda scary Ken. I sure hope that the ACC will stay in tact.

  • Pirates of the East Nov 27, 2012
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    I dont think it will, I believe the SEC, Big 10 and 12 will consume it. There might be a ACC after all this realignment but it will not be the ACC everybody knew it will be the leftovers of the ACC and the Big East, much like the Big East is the old CUSA.

  • Ken D. Nov 27, 2012
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    Of all the possible scenarios I have looked at, the only ACC teams left without a major conference home would be Wake, Duke, BC and Syracuse. If that were to happen, I think they would link up with the last survivor of the Big East, UConn and Temple. By doing that under the ACC banner, it lets them pick which non-football schools to add, and essentially leaves ECU in what used to be called C-USA and is now called the Big East.

    A scorched earth scenario for the ACC is not out of the question, IMO.

  • hovis Nov 27, 2012
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    ECU fans should forget about what may happen to the Big East as far as worrying about it. Whatever happens to the Big East it will likely outlast CUSA for money or viability. I do not think that Holland would do this if he did not project a financial benefit. The only rogue element will be the non-revenue sports as a lot of conferences make it a business to make this as hard to do and expensive as possible for these to be added to conferences without your revenue sports.
    The giant step forward is recruiting. ECU now has a selling point to recruits over most of the teams that they have been competing with in that area lately. ECU will be front page news for at least a week and in more areas than eastern NC. Properly utilized this could be a football upgrade in talent very quickly.

  • hovis Nov 27, 2012
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    Just for giggles you should visit a Big East message board and read what the fans of the other schools have to say about this. I have copied some of them here. They were posted under the headline "Tulane and ECU to join Big East". These are in the order posted and I have not altered them in any way. You will enjoy their pain more if you recall how these people told you that you would never get in.

    fnc111 says:
    Moscow State and Alaska-Anchorage will be joining the Big East in 2018.

    @fnc111
    Thatâ�ï&iques
    t;½s great! Maybe they can also add some community colleges that want to join.
    scalpemseminoles says: Only a matter of time before Swofford & co poach Tulane sd1024 says: Nice..swooping in for Tulane before the SEC got their hands on them! oceanpeaks says: Awesome, the Mountain West, MAC and other second-tier conferences finally have a minor league.

  • tcoutouzis Nov 27, 2012
    Sports Legend

    Where do our Olympic sports go. Nothing was mentioned about that. A-Sun or Southern Conference here we come :(

  • lazydawg58 Nov 27, 2012
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    Is it possible that when UCONN moves to the ACC the Pirates could move into that all sports spot?

  • hovis Nov 27, 2012
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    Anything is possible I guess but they have revenue creating basketball teams and they do not want to cut you in. I am sure that ECU fought for all sports as hard as they could but couldn't pull it off. Still an upgrade in the long run.

  • VT1994Hokie Nov 27, 2012
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    Whew. Ken. I know that you are a reader and can digest what's going on with in all of these new structured alignments. Heck. I appreciate your insight. What are your major readings? I'm just curious.

  • Ken D. Nov 27, 2012
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    Hokie, I don't know any more than anybody else. I've speculated on a number of scenarios, but that's all it is - speculation. I see where Bubba Cunningham said tonight that UNC wasn't going anywhere. I'm sure he means that. Today. But things can change by tomorrow.

    If the SEC poached a couple of ACC teams to get to 16, he'd have a tough time saying no if the B1G made them an offer. I assume they haven't yet, or we'd have heard about it. I just don't see the SEC going to the west again. Other than Oklahoma and Texas, I'm not sure there's anybody worth taking out of the Big XII. They could have had West Virginia for the asking, but they didn't ask. If they want to expand their footprint, Va Tech is a likely target. I think Weaver confirmed that there was at least some interest expressed on the SEC's part.

    While North Carolina (the state, not the team) also fits the geographical bill, I don't think UNC would go anywhere except the B1G. And if the choice comes down to State or Miami, I'd guess Miami would be the more likely. They are further away from any SEC team than any ACC team south of Pittsburgh, and they are in a large TV market. More to the point, they draw a national TV audience.

    Right now, the ACC is more fragile than seemed possible just a few weeks ago. It won't take much to blow it up.

  • hovis Nov 28, 2012
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    Looked into this some more and with all of their revenue producing basketball only schools it seems unlikely. Why, if ECU will allow it, would they add a slice to this pie? However, because their BB does produce significant revenue (by basketball measures) it would be ENORMOUS if ECU could grab a slice of that pie considering that I doubt that ECU bball is much of a revenue producer at the moment. Best I can tell it would add between 2 and 3 million dollars yearly in revenue in 2014. Just cannot see why they would do it when they have you now without it.

  • Ken D. Nov 28, 2012
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    I'm not sure why the Pirates would want to have any of their other sports with the Big East except basketball. And they would want that for revenue sharing only, because competitively they would be outclassed severely.

    I think they would be far better served to try to get into a regional conference for their olympic sports.

  • hovis Nov 28, 2012
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    Good point. The only pluses that I see are the increased revenue through basketball, and I think there would be a fair amount of fans that would be sad to see baseball dropped to a lesser status.

  • Ken D. Nov 28, 2012
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    I'm not sure that going to the BE for baseball isn't a drop to a lower status.

  • Ken D. Nov 28, 2012
    Sports Legend

    What I am beginning to wonder about is why the non-football schools in the Big East want to continue to be a part of it. They have now lost West Virginia, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers and Louisville. They have added Temple, Central Florida, SMU, Houston, Memphis and Tulane. That's not much of a bargain.

    I don't think that's what Villanova, Georgetown, St John's, Providence and Seton Hall had in mind when they signed on.

  • hovis Nov 28, 2012
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    You saw above where I asked this question too. I can't figure it out either so I looked to a bunch of Big East blogs and 99 of 100 read as this one that I have cut and pasted here:

    NYC Blackout Boys • 15 hours ago
    Time for the basketball schools to leave. Pick up George Mason, VCU, Xavier, Butler, UMASS, Richmond, and a Dayton and a few others and you have yourself a better A-10 that is very competitive.

  • cooperitis Nov 28, 2012
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    All if this brings an important question to mind that hasn't really been answered publically -- Who's choice was it really to go with football only ??

    Was it ECU's choice? Maybe due to finances and greater travel expenses for all other sports. I agree that all these sports would be better served with a more "regional" conference. Should they stay with CUSA or maybe even more regional to a lesser conference but also less travel expenses.

    Was the football only choice strictly from the Big East ?? Was Football all they wanted from ECU ?? Maybe they didn't want to share revenue with all the other sports because they knew ECU wouldn't really add much of anything with those other sports to the conference.

    All in all, it doesn't really make much sense on either end. And the question still looms on who made that decision and why. I mean, ECU is not Notre Dame and can call our own shots with negotiations. From all that I have seen and read, it seems to me that the Big East made that choice for ECU. But, at least we have our foot in the door to something better than CUSA in football.

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