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Big East's non-football members meet, discuss possible breakaway

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  • hovis Dec 12, 6:40 a.m.
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    But what of ECU? Could we possibly see something that makes geogrphic, competitive and economic... View More

    — Posted by lazydawg58

    That suggestion makes sense to me if it all falls apart. I wonder if those teams could use the BE name? It really does not change a lot except less income (maybe) and the loss of the prestige that the basketball side of the conference added to the overall view of the BE if the football teams still call themselves the Big East.

    Should be noted that these teams would benefit greatly from assuming the BE name because of the expenses of starting a new conference.

  • lazydawg58 Dec 11, 10:46 p.m.
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    But what of ECU? Could we possibly see something that makes geogrphic, competitive and economic sence? Maybe an all sports conference made up of, ECU, UCF, USF, Southern Miss., Marshall, UAB, UNCC, Old Dominion, Georgia Southern, Appalachian State.

  • Ken D. Dec 11, 5:54 p.m.
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    PTI just discussed the BE's U7 and Mike Wilbon added a nice twist. He suggested that Duke should join them! Somewhere in the many realignment threads I posited a scenario in which the ACC got raided by the B1G, SEC and Big XII with both Wake and Duke getting left without a home. I suggested that if that were to happen, they would hook up with the U7 to form a fantastic, and relatively small, basketball conference. Wouldn't that be a hoot?

  • hovis Dec 11, 4:14 p.m.
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    Holy heck...as of today, if all the current teams stay together and the other teams actually come in they project the BE to get...60 mil a year???? That is like 1 to 1.4 mil a year paid to each team. Awful.

  • hovis Dec 11, 4:07 p.m.
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    I have been unable to find anything definitive explaining the "8 year continuity" rule... View More

    — Posted by Ken D.

    I did not mean there were definite rules against forming a new conference just that when you dissolve one you lose a certain amount of the revenue from the dissolved conference and would have to start the new one from scratch. Since you would then have to wait an uncertain amount of time on the tournament revenue you would have to extend yourself substantially for a good while to build the new conference. I am sure how large the costs would be but I can guess that they would be very substantial.

    I saw it mentioned somewhere about the whole joining the A10 thing could not be done with the A10 still remaining the A10...and that article has since been amended and changed so I assume that you are correct there.

  • Ken D. Dec 11, 3:41 p.m.
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    I have been unable to find anything definitive explaining the "8 year continuity" rule governing the recognition of FBS football conferences.

    I can't imagine that this rule would prevent schools from deciding to form a new conference, unless there is currently a moratorium on the number of conferences. But as of next season, the WAC will no longer exist, leaving only 10 FBS conferences and 124 schools.

    One thing is for sure. Bylaws notwithstanding, if Notre Dame were to get 7 other schools to join them in a new conference, nobody would stop them.

  • hovis Dec 11, 3:11 p.m.
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    That would suggest that the best strategy for the U7 (unhappy 7 schools) is to negotiate an... View More

    -Ken D
    Right. Current speculation runs that if they dissolved the league and left and then reestablished themselves as a bball only conference they would instantly lose about 500K per team. Then they would add some of those A10 basketball teams and form a new conference. This would also cost some money for administraion and other costs (do not know what exactly those would amount to). The only real benifits would be a possible increased future revenue because of the added teams. The main thing that they mention is that they are dead set against the "dilution" of the Big East brand, the increased costs of travel, and would welcome the better competition. Also, they would not be at the mercy of the football teams. In their thinking, the football teams could vote to add 4 or 5 more teams and add them in basketball also further diluting their brand and revenues.
    It was also stated that the reason that ECU was not admitted for all sports is that the Big East refused the idea saying that the Big East BB only schools would not accept this.

  • Coach C Dec 11, 3:07 p.m.
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    If this happens? They would be the second best basketball conference behind the ACC

  • Ken D. Dec 11, 2:59 p.m.
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    If the league were to dissolve before July 1, that would create more than a little havoc with... View More

    — Posted by Ken D.

    From what I have read if the BE formally dissolves then there would be nothing that would make... View More

    — Posted by hovis

    That would suggest that the best strategy for the U7 (unhappy 7 schools) is to negotiate an arrangement where everybody else but them leaves the BE in exchange for retaining their rights to future tournament revenue distributions and no exit fees.

  • hovis Dec 11, 2:50 p.m.
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    If the league were to dissolve before July 1, that would create more than a little havoc with... View More

    — Posted by Ken D.

    From what I have read if the BE formally dissolves then there would be nothing that would make the agreements that have been made with the future members binding in any way.
    It is also of note that (before people start suggesting this) the schools in question could not join another conference "en masse" because due to some NCAA rules they would be starting a new conference. This disolution also means that the those teams would forfeit the accumulated NCAA tournament revenues to this point. I have not really figured out what exactly that means but it is somewhat like this:
    Teams do not get paid every year based on one years performance (you get more money the further you go in the tournament).
    The conference gets paid an average of something like five years worth of NCAA average finishes.
    The same way that these schools voting for dissolution would nullify their exit fee it would also nullify some part or all of these earnings because there is no conference to pay. It is extremely complicated and we cannot really see the contracts ourselves and this info is gleaned from various sites.

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