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  • Ken D. Apr 26, 2013
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    I must say, if you Google West Virginia fans, there is no shortage of critical stories along the lines you guys speak of. Of course, they always include the usual disclaimer that this is a small group of fans, and they aren't representative of the entire fan base, but it sounds like more than just a few, and it goes back a long way. And it seems to have followed them from the Big East to the Big XII.

    I defer to your judgment here. If half of this stuff is true, I wouldn't want them in my conference either. Let them rot in the Big XII.

  • tcoutouzis Apr 26, 2013
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    You do not lie. They have the worst fans. I remember a few years ago that a fan from an opposing team was pulled out of his car on the way out of the parking lot and beaten to within an inch of his life in front of his pregnant wife. I may be mistaken, but I believe they threw her to the ground and she took some blows trying to help her husband.

    I was in school from 92-96 at ECU. I had friends that would road trip up to the games we had in Morgantown and barely escape with their lives. The fans would come up to them unprovoked and would try to start a fight with them while they were tailgating. Needless to say they stopped going to Morgantown. That place is not a good place to visit and thus the reason why the ACC and any other conference wants nothing to do with them. I will never visit that place.

    It is funny because when we go to Marshall the fans have always been kind. Makes me believe Marshall should be the flagship university of West Virginia.

  • lazydawg58 Apr 25, 2013

    West Virginia from what others have told me is a dangerous place for visiting fans. Their reputation for this might have more to do with the ACC not wanting them than their academics. I've heard stories of visitors going to eat after a game and being turned away by management for their own safety. Fans being attacked in the parking lot, and drunk WV fans threatening and driving off people in the stadium. In short, it is a place you don't want to go. Now I know good and well that every school has their share of j&rks, dr*nks and fools, but their fan base seems to be way over the line.

  • Ken D. Apr 25, 2013
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    But would the Big XII let them go?

    I've heard it suggested many times that the ACC would never invite West Virginia for academic reasons. That the presidents are determined to protect their reputation as the number one conference in the FBS academically speaking. I've even heard that said after Louisville was invited. Everybody has his own opinion about where any school fits academically. The USNWR has an opinion, too. They rank Louisville #160 and WVU #165. The way I figure it, this situation is a little like virginity. The ACC already lost theirs with Louisville, so they may as well continue having fun playing the field.

    I was surprised to see that Cincy was ranked higher than both of them, at #139. The problem there is with size - market size, stadium size, fan base size. They don't stack up well for either the ACC or the Big XII. And in the Big XII, they would be even less competitive than West Virginia.

    BTW, I also found it interesting that Skip Holtz was the head coach at three different AAC schools. Wonder if that's happened in any other conference.

  • tcoutouzis Apr 25, 2013
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    I think we are much better off than we were before. We got $1 million dollars a year from our CUSA TV deal. Now we are getting 2 million a year plus money from the exit fees. The football competition is better than CUSA and the basketball is leaps and bounds better.

    I think we are safe as no conference is going to go after the ACC teams now that they have signed their TV rights away until 2027. That means the ACC will not come after teams in our new conference. UConn will not go to the Big 12 as it will be an even larger geographical outlier than WVU. They and UConn can only hope for the Big 10 to make a move, which probably will not happen. They are stuck in this conference with us and it is because of their football team. Had they remained 1-AA they would be in the New Big East Conference.

    On a side note I think WVU might have second thoughts now about jumping ship now. They ruled the Big East, now they are 6th or 7th in a 10 team conference. They live on the island of misfit toys and just want someone to play with them. Unfortunately, they are stuck.

  • Wolfpocalypse Now Redux Apr 25, 2013

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    I could not agree more, Ken. WVU would be a steal for the ACC and a better fit all-around than UConn, plus it would work out better for the AAC. Good call!

  • Ken D. Apr 25, 2013
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    ^ If the ACC picked up West Virginia (a great fit with Louisville, Pitt and Virginia Tech) instead of UConn to go to 16 (plus Navy football only), that would stabilize the AAC even more.

  • Ken D. Apr 25, 2013
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    I think the Big XII hoped snagging West Virginia would get them access to a couple of good media market teams in the east (Pitt comes immediately to mind, along with Virginia Tech). Since that's not going to happen, and it looks like WVU is going to be stuck on an island (believing that they had been promised some company),I wonder what the chances would be that the Big XII would let them off the hook and waive the media rights deal in their case. They are a lousy geographical fit for all their members.

  • lazydawg58 Apr 24, 2013

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    I don't really thing the Big12 is going to add schools to get to 12. That is why I think the American is stabilized. And if it is ECU is in a much better position than they were before, and if one or more American schools did leave they are still better of than they would have been if they had stayed in C-USA.

  • daviepoplar85 Apr 24, 2013
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    57,583 at the last carter-finley game between these two teams.

    (a simple search of the interwebs turns this up for you.)

    that was in 2006 when state "upset" ECU in overtime lol

  • Wolfpocalypse Now Redux Apr 24, 2013

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    I really doubt we had a crowd of 50,000 for ECU. Maybe for Gardner-Webb or Elon, and definitely for a relevant team like App. State, but for ECU... doubtful.

  • TerrorOnTheHighSeas Apr 24, 2013

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    Nice to hear that your butthurt is still strong after the Pirates beat
    NCSU 33 - 27 at home in front of 50,000 fans.

  • Ken D. Apr 24, 2013
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    The Big XII has its own grant of media rights deal for the next 13 years (the length of its current deals with ESPN and Fox). If those rights deals are enforceable, and I don't know who might challenge them in court, then no Big XII schools are going to the B1G or the PAC 12, and they certainly aren't going to the ACC, in the foreseeable future.

    The only power conference schools that are in play for the B1G or the Big XII are SEC teams, and that would be a tough sell. The most obvious targets would be, IMO, Missouri, Vanderbilt and Kentucky, all of which fit the B1G from a geographical standpoint. Kentucky, though geographically slightly better suited than Vandy, is the worst fit for cultural and academic reasons, and because it represents the smallest media market of the three. All three schools would probably benefit from a competitive standpoint by leaving the SEC.

    Frankly, I don't think the Big XII would be attractive to any SEC schools. If they want to grow to 12 schools to have a championship game, they either have to look west (BYU?) or northeast (Cincy?). I don't see them getting to 16 schools without access to ACC schools.

    The ACC has more options, the best of which IMO would be to add UConn for all sports and Navy for football only. That would get them to 16 in all sports.

    That would leave the AAC at 9 schools, competitively balanced, and in decent sized media markets. They could get to 12 easily by adding Southern Miss, UAB and La Tech, but those won't add many eyeballs to attract TV networks.

    I don't think this stabilizes the AAC, but it wouldn't hurt it too badly. Unfortunately for ECU, it sort of puts them right back where they started, as a geographical outlier.

  • Wolfpocalypse Now Redux Apr 23, 2013

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    I suppose that makes ECU the biggest (though probably still not the best) community college in North Carolina - congrats!

  • lazydawg58 Apr 23, 2013

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    I think it stabilizes the conferences now. The Big10, SEC and B12 aren't going to steal any ACC teams, and I don't see the ACC having any desire to expand again if they don't lose any schools. Cincy, UCONN, USF, & UCF have no place to go other than to stay in the American.

    The only disruption I can foresee is if the PAC or B10 pick off some B12 schools like Kansas, OSU, and Oklahoma. And if the B12 falls apart where do these remaining go? I don't think the ACC wants to add again. More likely the American adds Baylor, K-State, WVU and one to three more to form a 16 or 18 team league. But I don't think that is going to happen. I think we now have a calm period after these years of uncertainty.

  • TerrorOnTheHighSeas Apr 23, 2013

    NC State is a mid major.

  • Ken D. Apr 23, 2013
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    How does the ACC rights deal help the AAC? Seems to me it sets up a scenario where the only schools who can be poached by the five power conferences are those now in the mid-majors. Cincy, UConn and the Florida schools just became more attractive, not less.

  • lazydawg58 Apr 22, 2013

    With the Grant of rights deal the ACC signed that would seem to help The American Conference. Cincy and UCONN aren't in all likelihood going anywhere. I here talk of other boards about the Florida schools or Cincy and UCONN going to the B12 or B10 but this seems highly unlikely. I think the AAC is set so now everyone can concentrate on making the conference work. ECU is upgrading in Basketball and with the recent success and a conference that includes Memphis, Temple, Cincy and UCONN recruiting should be a little easier. In football the Pirates should be contender each year.

  • lazydawg58 Apr 8, 2013

    American Athletic Conference or "The American". It is finally nice to be a full member and to have a real name for the conference.

  • tcoutouzis Mar 28, 2013
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    It is my understanding that we will hear about the new name after the NCAA tournamament.

  • dawgitall Mar 27, 2013

    I'm glad they went ahead and announced the all sports bid. Now if they will come up with a name for the conference that would be nice. One headline called it the Leftovers of the Big East conference. That is not good. I have heard on some of the message boards, American 12, and Metro or some variation of that but who knows?

  • dawgitall Mar 4, 2013

    I think it is assured that ECU gets the all sports bid, they just have to wait until the C7 are officially out before that can proceed. I don't think 2013 is in the picture but who knows. Besides the 1.8 tv contract word is that each of the new schools will get 1 million in the first year from the league as a part of the settlement with the C7. USF, UCONN, and UC will split the bulk of the money, 18 million I believe. Hopefully the new additions will have their entry fee waived completely, or significantly reduced since the conference is significantly different from what it was suppose to be when they joined. I don't think the contract allows for this but it would be a nice concession to the newbies since the three current members are going to reap a very significant $$$$ harvest with the split and earlier exit fees.

  • Ken D. Mar 1, 2013
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    My understanding is that they do get the bid, for this one year only. After that, they go into the pool with the other non-power conferences.

  • tcoutouzis Mar 1, 2013
    Sports Legend

    Hey Ken,

    Every Pirate that responds here pays attention during football season. AFter that it is crickets in this forum.

    We were getting 1 million a year from CUSA. I have to look at the numbers again, but I thought we were getting 1.8 million a year in the Big East. As much as I dislike ESPN, they have a Lion's share of the college football market, so we will get more exposure. I also think that games that ESPN doesn't pick up can be picked up by other networks which could provide us some extra money.

    If we are in for 2013, then my biggest concern is does the nBE champion go get the BCS bid? We will essentially be a new conference.

  • Ken D. Mar 1, 2013
    Sports Legend

    I'm just glad to see there are still a few people who look at this forum. With the exception of a single post by some guy named savannarihanna, we were 0-for-February.

    I see that the nBE (whatever their new name will be) will have a TV contract worth less than $1.5million per school each year. How does that compare with C-USA's old contract? Did the Pirates get an upgrade?

  • tcoutouzis Mar 1, 2013
    Sports Legend

    I am hearing that with the C7 now buying the Big East name and starting their new league on July 1st of this year that we will be offered an all sports invite very shortly to join in 2013.

  • lazydawg58 Jan 12, 2013

    The nBE met in Dallas on Friday but it doesn't appear many answers were to be had. SDSU has until some time in February to say if they were still coming on board or going back to the MWC. There were no TV contract announcements but when you don't know who exactly are going to be in the conference I guess that makes sense. I had hoped ECU would be upgraded from FB only to all sports but nothing was said in that regard. I can't imagine that not happening though. I just wish it would go ahead and happen.

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