Should ECU declare its independence?

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  • FAN72 Jul 9, 5:30 p.m.
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    I would like to see ECU play UNC and NC State on a yearly basis with VaTech and Wake Forest alternating years.

  • Ken D. Jul 9, 6:29 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    I say get rid of BC and Miami and Wake Forest and add would be great for the... View More

    — Posted by robster

    Wake Forest? Why not Florida State? We could also get rid of Georgia Tech while we're at it. ... View More

    — Posted by Ken D.

    I like that idea alot - chuck BC, Miami, FSU, Ga Tech, and keep just the regional teams in the... View More

    — Posted by scousler

    There may, however, be a flaw in your thinking. If the ACC were to part ways with those four schools, they would have an eight team league. What makes you think they would add ECU?

    I doubt they would invite ECU even if they only had seven teams. I think the only chance ECU has of getting into a BCS conference is if the Big East can't get either Villanova or Notre Dame to join. Even then, I don't think ECU would be their next choice. I think UCF would be more likely, or even Navy (especially if they were to agree to take less than a full revenue share).

    Personally, I think ECU made a mistake when they didn't join App State in the FCS. I think they could have been a perennial national contender at that level. Even on the off chance that they get into the Big East, they aren't going to be a contender, any more than Carolina, State, Duke and Wake are. I guess it just depends on what you want out of your athletic program.

  • TerrorOnTheHighSeas Jul 10, 1:02 a.m.

    Ken, scousler was just being sarcastic but I guess you are too dense to see that.

    NC State is the team that belongs in the FCS since they have not won an ACC title since 1979 and have Liberty and South Alabama on the schedule this year.



    NC STATE 27

  • 4tarheels Jul 10, 7:02 a.m.
    Sports Legend

    I think ECU in the Southern Conference with App State, Western Carolina, Furman, and others makes a lot of sense. They can still play the occasional games against UNC and State but it makes more sense geographically and competitively.

  • Ken D. Jul 10, 8:19 a.m.
    Sports Legend

    I think ECU in the Southern Conference with App State, Western Carolina, Furman, and others... View More

    — Posted by 4tarheels

    The biggest problem for ECU if they dropped down to FCS would be scheduling games against State and Carolina. Each of them only gets one FCS game a year. As long as they are still an FBS opponent, they are an attractive scheduling partner. I believe they would be able to schedule an annual home and home series with both if they were independent or still in C-USA.

  • Ken D. Jul 10, 1:34 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    I guess for me the biggest question is does ECU benefit much from being in a conference if it isn't a BCS conference. If the answer to that question is yes, the next question is what is the best conference for them to be in. Geographically, ECU is going to be on the outer edge of any conference they belong to. They can't help that - Greenville is where it is.

    But it seems to me there must be a better geographical alternative than C-USA. Maybe, if ECU could persuade App State to come with them, the Pirates could take the lead to try and form a new conference, taking pieces from C-USA, Sunbelt and MAC. Consider this possible combination:

    ECU and Marshall from C-USA. App State from the FCS. Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee from the Sunbelt, and Temple, Ball State, Ohio U. and Miami (O) from the MAC. While that conference has a relatively compact footprint, it includes schools from 7 different states (NC, TN, KY, WV, IN, OH and PA) which could help in negotiating a TV contract. Potentially, a deal could be worked out with the MAC to have a super-conference for football only. Two nine team divisions and a championship game, but no need for inter-division scheduling so each division can play a full 8 game round robin.

  • TerrorOnTheHighSeas Jul 10, 4:27 p.m.

    Being in C-USA has the advantage of having bowl tie-ins set for the football program and having the athletic schedules filled out for ECU each year (not just football - think about basketball and baseball).

    The chances are very good that ECU will join the Big East within the next decade.

    Bottom line, ECU is not going to "drop down" to anything. The Pirates are going to "move up" to the Big East within the next decade and be a BCS program.

  • Ken D. Jul 10, 8:45 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    Being in C-USA has the advantage of having bowl tie-ins set for the football program and having... View More

    — Posted by TerrorOnTheHighSeas

    I'm sure a lot of Pirate fans are convinced that ECU will be in a BCS conference soon. IMO, that is an extremely long shot. I think it's far more likely that the BCS will cease to exist than that ECU will be a part of it.

    In the meantime, if they hold out for that, they will continue to face the travel burden I hear so many complaints about. It's not just that their closest conference opponent is over 400 miles away. Half their conference is more than a thousand miles away. Yes, C-USA has bowl tie-ins. But the only time ECU will actually make money from bowls in C-USA is by not getting invited. If they actually go to a bowl, they will spend their entire conference payout on travel expenses.

    Is being in C-USA in all sports so prestigious that it's worth having no true conference rivals and no road games close enough to drive to? Does being in C-USA now mean that they have a better chance of being invited to the Big East later than they would if they were in a more geographically suited conference? C-USA was rated the ninth strongest football conference (out of eleven) over the past five years. How prestigious could that be?

  • TerrorOnTheHighSeas Jul 10, 11:02 p.m.

    I know that NC State and UNC fans want to see ECU go away and play in the FCS
    with Appalachain State so that ECU will not be a threat to them in any way
    shape or form when it comes to competition or recruiting.

    Too bad, we already fill a 50,000 seat stadium and have beaten just to name a
    few (with the ACC members in bold):

    Boise State, Cincinnati, Duke, Miami (fl), Missouri, North Carolina
    , North Carolina State, Pittsburgh, South Carolina, Syracuse, TCU,
    Texas Tech, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest and West
    Virginia to name a few.

    If the BCS ceases to exist and the antitrust lawsuit goes through and works then that would be fine with me too but the Pirates will still probably get into the Big East within the next decade.

    As far as having no road games to drive to, our schedule is set up by design so that our out of conference games are against BCS opponents within driving distance.

    vs South Carolina in Charlotte vs Navy in Annapolis

    It so happens that we have two out of conference games that fall in Greenville this year (Virginia Tech and North Carolina) and that is fine with our fan base.

    If you want to look at everything as glass half empty for ECU then I can't help you with that. The glass is half full and things are looking better every day and there is a great deal of excitement for East Carolina on the horizon.

  • zdeaton81 Jul 11, 6:35 a.m.
    Towel Boy

    Nice response, bradedward! I think the next 2-3 yrs will only bring more excitement for ECU and their fans. IMO, we are headed in the right direction and have a lot to look forward to - when the BCS blows up, things will only get better! Go Pirates!!

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