Should ECU declare its independence?

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  • davenportj Jul 11, 12:46 p.m.
    Pro

    YES it is a far flung conference and yes there are bowl games. but to say that the past 30 years was a waste of time. Sorry ECU went independent to grow as an fan of ECU you must have seen the school grow into a FBS member but to say we should have stay with the S.Con. don't make sense ECU would never have had the chance to play the schools they have played win or lose ECU is growing and getting better whether they are playing in C-USA or maybe the Big East or forming new conference or going out independent ECU will try for the next goal and reach it at sometime

  • Ken D. Jul 11, 10:16 a.m.
    Sports Legend

    I know that NC State and UNC fans want to see ECU go away and play in the FCS
    with Appalachain... View More

    — Posted by TerrorOnTheHighSeas

    I am as much a fan of ECU as I am of any other North Carolina team. When they play Carolina or State, I'm pulling for the Pirates. I'm also a realist. Your reference to glass half empty or glass half full is apt. Because in FBS football, that's exactly where ECU stands. Right in the middle. ECU fans are rightly proud of their football program. Over the last three decades, the Pirates have won almost half their games (49%) and have enjoyed 13 winning seasons. If they stay in the FBS, whether they get invited to a BCS conference or not, their football past is also their football future. If you're happy with that, then by all means continue with your present course.

    And don't get me wrong. It's perfectly OK to be satisfied with that. I would prefer a different course, in which Pirate football could be consistently excellent. It just depends on whether you would prefer to be the underdog, every once in a while bringing down a Goliath, or whether you want to be a program your competitors aspire to be. Don't forget that ECU plays a lot of other sports, and they aren't helped by being in a far flung conference with no natural rivals.

  • zdeaton81 Jul 11, 6:35 a.m.
    Towel Boy

    Nice response, bradedward! I think the next 2-3 yrs will only bring more excitement for ECU and their fans. IMO, we are headed in the right direction and have a lot to look forward to - when the BCS blows up, things will only get better! Go Pirates!!

  • TerrorOnTheHighSeas Jul 10, 11:02 p.m.
    Pro

    I know that NC State and UNC fans want to see ECU go away and play in the FCS

    with Appalachain State so that ECU will not be a threat to them in any way

    shape or form when it comes to competition or recruiting.

    Too bad, we already fill a 50,000 seat stadium and have beaten just to name a

    few (with the ACC members in bold):

    Boise State, Cincinnati, Duke, Miami (fl), Missouri, North Carolina

    , North Carolina State, Pittsburgh, South Carolina, Syracuse, TCU,

    Texas Tech, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest and West

    Virginia to name a few.

    If the BCS ceases to exist and the antitrust lawsuit goes through and works

    then that would be fine with me too but the Pirates will still probably get

    into the Big East within the next decade.

    As far as having no road games to drive to, our schedule is set up by design so

    that our out of conference games are against BCS opponents within driving

    distance.

    vs South Carolina in Charlotte

    vs Navy in Annapolis

    It so happens that we have two out of conference games that fall in Greenville

    this year (Virginia Tech and North Carolina) and that is fine with our fan base.

    If you want to look at everything as glass half empty for ECU then I can't help

    you with that. The glass is half full and things are looking better every day

    and there is a great deal of excitement for East Carolina on the horizon.

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  • Ken D. Jul 10, 8:45 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    Being in C-USA has the advantage of having bowl tie-ins set for the football program and having... View More

    — Posted by TerrorOnTheHighSeas

    I'm sure a lot of Pirate fans are convinced that ECU will be in a BCS conference soon. IMO, that is an extremely long shot. I think it's far more likely that the BCS will cease to exist than that ECU will be a part of it.

    In the meantime, if they hold out for that, they will continue to face the travel burden I hear so many complaints about. It's not just that their closest conference opponent is over 400 miles away. Half their conference is more than a thousand miles away. Yes, C-USA has bowl tie-ins. But the only time ECU will actually make money from bowls in C-USA is by not getting invited. If they actually go to a bowl, they will spend their entire conference payout on travel expenses.

    Is being in C-USA in all sports so prestigious that it's worth having no true conference rivals and no road games close enough to drive to? Does being in C-USA now mean that they have a better chance of being invited to the Big East later than they would if they were in a more geographically suited conference? C-USA was rated the ninth strongest football conference (out of eleven) over the past five years. How prestigious could that be?

  • TerrorOnTheHighSeas Jul 10, 4:27 p.m.
    Pro

    Being in C-USA has the advantage of having bowl tie-ins set for the football program and having the athletic schedules filled out for ECU each year (not just football - think about basketball and baseball).

    The chances are very good that ECU will join the Big East within the next decade.

    Bottom line, ECU is not going to "drop down" to anything. The Pirates are going to "move up" to the Big East within the next decade and be a BCS program.

  • Ken D. Jul 10, 1:34 p.m.
    Sports Legend

    I guess for me the biggest question is does ECU benefit much from being in a conference if it isn't a BCS conference. If the answer to that question is yes, the next question is what is the best conference for them to be in. Geographically, ECU is going to be on the outer edge of any conference they belong to. They can't help that - Greenville is where it is.

    But it seems to me there must be a better geographical alternative than C-USA. Maybe, if ECU could persuade App State to come with them, the Pirates could take the lead to try and form a new conference, taking pieces from C-USA, Sunbelt and MAC. Consider this possible combination:

    ECU and Marshall from C-USA. App State from the FCS. Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee from the Sunbelt, and Temple, Ball State, Ohio U. and Miami (O) from the MAC. While that conference has a relatively compact footprint, it includes schools from 7 different states (NC, TN, KY, WV, IN, OH and PA) which could help in negotiating a TV contract. Potentially, a deal could be worked out with the MAC to have a super-conference for football only. Two nine team divisions and a championship game, but no need for inter-division scheduling so each division can play a full 8 game round robin.

  • Ken D. Jul 10, 8:19 a.m.
    Sports Legend

    I think ECU in the Southern Conference with App State, Western Carolina, Furman, and others... View More

    — Posted by 4tarheels

    The biggest problem for ECU if they dropped down to FCS would be scheduling games against State and Carolina. Each of them only gets one FCS game a year. As long as they are still an FBS opponent, they are an attractive scheduling partner. I believe they would be able to schedule an annual home and home series with both if they were independent or still in C-USA.

  • 4tarheels Jul 10, 7:02 a.m.
    Sports Legend

    I think ECU in the Southern Conference with App State, Western Carolina, Furman, and others makes a lot of sense. They can still play the occasional games against UNC and State but it makes more sense geographically and competitively.

  • TerrorOnTheHighSeas Jul 10, 1:02 a.m.
    Pro

    Ken, scousler was just being sarcastic but I guess you are too dense to see that.

    NC State is the team that belongs in the FCS since they have not won an ACC title since 1979 and have Liberty and South Alabama on the schedule this year.

    P.S.

    EAST CAROLINA 33

    NC STATE 27

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