Should ECU declare its independence?
tcoutouzis Nov 25, 1:13 p.m.
I have been hearing that Louisville is getting the invite tomorrow from the ACC. I have also heard that UC will be getting the bid over UConn. If the ACC picks up 3 then UConn would be next.
Take it for what it is worth, it was said that FSU wants Louisville or they are gone. It was also said that they are picking up UC to block the Big 12 expansion east which would force Clemson and FSU to stay in the ACC as they won't have any regional competition.
I wonder if we should go to the BE? I can't imagine they would give us full admission for all sports.
hovis Nov 6, 1:16 p.m.
You already have the games for VT and UNC. And if at this point you hired someone to build you an independent schedule and they gave you what you have in conference USA you would fire him.
If the skill level of the teams was not markedly increased you could still save a boatload of money by not have to constantly fly your other sport womens' and mens all over the planet.
And the bowl revenue from conference USA does not even come close to the money you would save by this more regional schedule.
To convince your athletic department that as fans you are committed to this course of action you could all try to get season tickets sold out. That would bring in extra revenue that they could budget around. Then there is the off chance that you go to a bowl and do not have to divide the money with anyone. Some bowls actually lose money for the attending teams because they cannot sell enough of their allotment and only get a conference cut of the bowl money.
None of the above is easy or really likely to work well...but Cusa is a sure fire program killer for ECU at this point.
MoDuke v2 is gone Nov 3, 11:51 p.m.
Maybe ECU should wait to see if the ACC might invite them in to replace carolina just in case they get the death penalty once all the investigations are concluded.
lazydawg58 Nov 3, 11:42 p.m.
Steve Logan said this morning that ECU had to get out of CUSA and into the Big East. I was a little surprised about that. I just don't see much good in the the BE. But maybe I'm just mad about not getting invited in by them. He talked about working very agressively with politically powerful people to get it done at all cost. I still think they need to allow things to shake out and be in a good position to create a good conference in the reworked FBS.
Ken D. Nov 3, 9:59 a.m.
A few of them have big stadiums, but they're mostly empty on Saturdays. ECU ranked #44 in average attendance in 2010 (the most recent year I could find). They were the highest average outside the five major conferences. Louisville was slightly ahead of them, and Cincinnati was 15,000 per game behind them.
If Neinas could package Louisville and ECU to the Big XII, it might be good for ECU, moneywise. But competition wise? It would have to be football only for the Pirates, IMO. But, frankly, I don't see that happening either. I don't think the Big XII would consider Cincy, because they wouldn't add much in terms of markets that Louisville doesn't already give them. I could see them going west for #12 and inviting Boise State.
Without Louisville, Rutgers and UConn, the Big East would fold. Replace Western Ky and MTSU with Cincy from my previous post and you have an even stronger league.
tcoutouzis Nov 2, 7:37 p.m.
We will never move down to FCS. How many FCS teams have 50K seat stadiums?
As for expansion I know TH talked to the Big 12 about joining last year. I know that he was turned down. However, Chuck Neinas has just been signed up as a consultant to help us with conference expansion. He may try to open the door to the Big 12, but more than likely the Big East aka CUSA 2.0. We'll see.
Ken D. Nov 2, 6:34 p.m.
Somewhere in all the posts on this forum somebody said the big dogs may not be finished feeding yet. But there aren't many prizes left out there. I could still see the Big East being raided again. It's not out of the question that the Big XII might snatch Louisville and Cincinnati to mollify West Virginia who is currently isolated. Now that Notre Dame's position has been clarified, we could also see the ACC take UConn and Rutgers (the latter possibly for football only).
If that were to happen, perhaps the three southeastern schools that left C-USA for the Big East (USF, UCF and Memphis) might come back for a new east of the Mississippi conference. They could join ECU, Southern Miss, Charlotte, Old Dominion and UAB - and pluck Middle Tennessee and Western Kentucky to make a competitively respectable and geographically logical eastern league.
Ken D. Nov 2, 9:45 a.m.
It certainly isn't likely. Attendance at Pirate games is routinely 20,000 more than the record highest attendance at any other FCS school, and at least 40,000 more than average FCS attendance. Add to that the trend for schools to move up in class, not down, and many of the schools ECU might join up with may be FBS soon anyway. In that list I'm including App State, Richmond, William & Mary and James Madison. Charlotte and Old Dominion are already committed to the FBS.
lazydawg58 Nov 1, 11:16 p.m.
The 2nd or 3rd (give or take a few students) largest public university in the 10th largest state in the country doesn't need to be FCS. A more compact, regional conference yes but not dropping down to the second tier. This will all shake out eventually and ECU will be in a better situation. Nothing will happen and then all of a sudden all kinds of things will start happening.
Ken D. Oct 31, 6:03 p.m.
Not to mention giving them a legitimate shot at a national championship every year. But when I even hinted at what you just suggested a couple of years ago, Pirate fans were all over me. FCS just doesn't fit the fans' perception of what ECU should be.
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