Caulton Tudor

Heisman odds long for ACC, "Johnny Football" repeat

Posted July 11, 2013

The surest bet about the approaching college football season is that on Dec. 14 in New York City, a new Heisman Trophy winner will be introduced. If 2012 winner "Johnny Football” Manziel of Texas A&M turns out to be "Johnny Two Times," it will be one of the truly rare accomplishments in athletics.

That’s not to say Manziel, an impulsive red-shirt sophomore quarterback, is in line to have a letdown season. Amazingly elusive and unpredictable, he will remain a defensive coordinator’s nightmare and will continue to make the Aggies’ transition from the Big 12 Conference to the SEC a compelling national story.

But since halfback Jay Berwanger of the University of Chicago won the first Heisman (then named the Downtown Athletic Club Trophy) in 1935, only once has there been a repeat winner – Ohio State tailback Archie Griffin in 1974 and ’75. Even then, it took some doing by Griffin, who had to overcome heavy voting support for fellow rushing stars Chuck Muncie (California), Tony Dorsett (Pittsburgh), Ricky Bell (Southern Cal) and Joe Washington (Oklahoma) in ’75.

Even former Florida quarterback Tim Tebow, the 2007 winner as a sophomore and an athletic matinee idol for the ages, slipped to third in the 2008 voting and fifth as a senior in 2009.

Quarterback Jason White was an easy winner in 2003 at Oklahoma but dropped to third behind Southern Cal quarterback Matt Leinart and Sooner tailback teammate Adrian Peterson in ’04.

“Winning it once is tough. Winning it twice is just about impossible,” South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier (’66 winner at Florida) said after sophomore running back Mark Ingram of Alabama won in a 2009 race that included Texas quarterback Colt McCoy in addition to Tebow. 

Since the lot of returning quarterbacks and running backs is generally nondescript, Manziel will begin the season as the prohibitive favorite by default. By early November, however, it’s a virtual lock that other candidates will have emerged and Manziel, even if he continues to dodge serious injury, will be just one among many.

But will there be an ACC contender in the group?

Probably not. And certainly not if recent trends hold. These are the only ACC players to finish in the voting top 10 since Florida State quarterback Chris Weinke won in 2000:

  • 2001: UNC defensive lineman Julius Peppers finished 10th. Nebraska QB Eric Crouch won.
  • 2003: N.C. State QB Philip Rivers finished 7th. White won.
  • 2006: Georgia Tech wide out Calvin Johnson finished 10th. Ohio State QB Troy Smith won.
  • 2007: Virginia defensive lineman Chris Long finished 10th. Tebow won.
  • 2009: Clemson running back C.J. Spiller finished 6th. Ingram won.

Since the ACC was formed in 1953, only Weinke and another Seminole quarterback, Charlie Ward in 1993, have won. 

The ACC’s best overall season in the voting was 1999 when Georgia Tech QB Joe Hamilton finished second to Wisconsin tailback Ron Dayne, and FSU wide out Peter Warrick (6th) and Virginia tailback Thomas Jones (8th) made impressive bids.

If there’s an ACC breakthrough in this season, here are the best three preseason bets:

  • Tajh Boyd, Clemson quarterback: Threw for 36 touchdowns as a junior last season and for 33 as a sophomore in 2011. My preseason pick for league player of the year.
  • Sammy Watkins, Clemson wide out: Boyd’s top target, Watkins has almost 2,000 receiving yards and 15 TD catches in two seasons.
  • Devonta Freeman, FSU running back: Basically the second running option behind Chris Thompson most of last season, he still rushed for 660 yards.
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  • hokies94vt@gmail.com Jul 31, 4:21 p.m.

    methinks young johnny football is a trainwreck waiting to happen, based upon all we have been... View More

    — Posted by rushbot

    Totally agree. His big head got him kicked out of the Manning camp. That's enough for me, plus all of his partying, elsewhere.

  • hokies94vt@gmail.com Jul 31, 3:36 p.m.

    FSU and VT have had some very good football teams. The best of acc football is on the way with... View More

    — Posted by BeastOfTheHill

    Clemson could if they improve the defense. They lost a few top receivers too. Still. Who's knows.

  • StunGunn Jul 17, 6:59 a.m.

    It's Johnny Football's to lose.

    — Posted by BattlingBishop 5

    I think he might have lost it before the season even started:-)

  • StunGunn Jul 17, 6:57 a.m.

    Considering the way he's behaving lately, I'd agree that the odds are better for an ACC player to win the Heisman than for Johnny Football to repeat.

  • rushbot Jul 13, 8:18 a.m.

    methinks young johnny football is a trainwreck waiting to happen, based upon all we have been reading of him post award...

  • BattlingBishop 5 Jul 12, 8:33 p.m.

    LOL! ACC football has been average to below average for years. Basketball, Basketball,... View More

    — Posted by Toddler10-21

    +1....'Bout time!

  • batcave Jul 12, 12:47 p.m.

    The ACC really needs to stop playing football. It's an insult to college football.

    Obamacare rules
    you should stop posting cuz you ain't so smart in football or healthcare fla state 11, clemson 9th , future teams notre dame, lousiville, all ranked.

  • Objective Scientist Jul 12, 10:14 a.m.

    Who cares? Although I don't, I'm sure there are some who do. I am a sports fan (former athlete) who loves sport and loves to watch "good football" - especially at the collegiate level. The Heisman is widely regarded as the BEST collegiate football player. To select the BEST from 11 positions on offense and 11 on defense is an impossible task!!! Can't be done with any validity. The school I attended is an ACC school and I "pull" for my footballl team... wanting first to see team success, then individual success. It would be "nice" to have a player on my team to win the Heisman, but it is not high on my priority list!!! "When many/most players played both offense and defense (yea, I know - LONG time ago) perhaps a Heisman could be better determined. Today - with true specialists at each of 22 different positions - not so much.

  • BattlingBishop 5 Jul 11, 10:16 p.m.

    It's Johnny Football's to lose.

  • hokies94vt@gmail.com Jul 11, 5:37 p.m.

    It's difficult to repeat in winning the Heisman. Most that win it comes from a high ranking team, that have a shot at winning the National Championship. Numbers of wins, Stats, and etc...This is also a huge media hype for the top guys with top teams.

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