Rank: Veteran Funny how success increases expectations.- Posted by masontom56
IF, somebody had predicted the current Win/loss record in preseason along with the 1st half performance against Duke, everyone would say..."NO WAY"
Still a bit early to judge the year. So far, I mostly see a placebo affect. The State fans think the are better, though independent measures show little change from last year. Mostly, these fans don't remember last year very clearly, remember it worse than it was.- Posted by unc70
The difference in wins this year so far is due completely to differences in the schedules. Last year, State had one of the hardest ACC schedules; this year, the second easiest. That alone is worth 2-3 extra wins this year; 8 wins would be comparable to last year for ACC play. State has one more OOC win because it played one more OOC game against a weak opponent.
Individual matchups are a mix compared to last year, though W/L stayed mostly the same. State played better last year against Syracuse and both times against Carolina, this year against Duke. Overall, roughly the same. Individual players have matured and gotten better, some more than others. Problems with stupid fouls, leadership, composure, ... remain.
It doesn't matter really what I think is going on. It will depend on how State fans deal with the remaining games. Pre ACC play, I predicted State would likely have 8 or maybe 9 ACC wins, with 7 or 10 possible but unlikely. With three games remaining, that is still the case. The current losing "streak" is as much a schedule quirk as the earlier wins. If State goes 1-5 to end the regular season, will the fans see that as a meltdown? I don't know.
- Posted by ACCInsiderStill a bit early to judge the year. So far, I mostly see a placebo affect. The State fans think the are better, though independent measures show little change from last year. Mostly, these fans don't remember last year very clearly, remember it worse than it was.- Posted by unc70
The difference in wins this year so far is due completely to differences in the schedules. Last year, State had one of the hardest ACC schedules; this year, the second easiest. That alone is worth 2-3 extra wins this year; 8 wins would be comparable to last year for ACC play. State has one more OOC win because it played one more OOC game against a weak opponent.
Individual matchups are a mix compared to last year, though W/L stayed mostly the same. State played better last year against Syracuse and both times against Carolina, this year against Duke. Overall, roughly the same. Individual players have matured and gotten better, some more than others. Problems with stupid fouls, leadership, composure, ... remain.
It doesn't matter really what I think is going on. It will depend on how State fans deal with the remaining games. Pre ACC play, I predicted State would likely have 8 or maybe 9 ACC wins, with 7 or 10 possible but unlikely. With three games remaining, that is still the case. The current losing "streak" is as much a schedule quirk as the earlier wins. If State goes 1-5 to end the regular season, will the fans see that as a meltdown? I don't know.
This year's schedule weaker than last year??? You might want to start referencing facts before posting opinions.
One of the hits against Sid has always been his weak non-conference scheduling. Sid's strength of schedule last year ended at #60 only because of ACC teams. As of Dec 31, 2010, his schedule was ranked #92. Then after the 1st week in January 2011, State played #309 Delaware St, #310 Alabama A&M and #313 San Diego St and their strength of schedule dropped to #221.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/teams/north-carolina-state/rank?season=2010-2011
One of the first steps Gott took in May was dropping some weak teams off Sid's 2011-12 schedule for the sole purpose of having the opportunity for an improved RPI. State's strength of schedule is currently #28 in the nation. As of Dec 31, 2011, their SOS was ranked #25 because Gott was able to bring teams such as Vandy and Texas. http://statsheet.com/mcb/teams/north-carolina-state/rank
Gott has Sid's recruits currently at #5 in the ACC vs the preseason prediction of #8 something Sid was not able to do. http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/101911aaa.html
Gott's 2012 recruiting class is ranked among the top 10 in the nation. Possibly top 5 depending upon Amile Jefferson's decision next month.
They are 2 wins shy of a 20 win season while playing the 28th toughest schedule in the nation. Doubt he will make the NCAA tourn. But,Gott wins 2 or 3 more and ends up #4 or #5 in ACC he will be in the running for ACC coach of the year.
Last year's schedule tougher?.......the only "placebo affect" here is the illusion you are trying to create.
Rank: All Star - Posted by unc70- Posted by ACCInsiderStill a bit early to judge the year. So far, I mostly see a placebo affect. The State fans think the are better, though independent measures show little change from last year. Mostly, these fans don't remember last year very clearly, remember it worse than it was.- Posted by unc70
The difference in wins this year so far is due completely to differences in the schedules. Last year, State had one of the hardest ACC schedules; this year, the second easiest. That alone is worth 2-3 extra wins this year; 8 wins would be comparable to last year for ACC play. State has one more OOC win because it played one more OOC game against a weak opponent.
Individual matchups are a mix compared to last year, though W/L stayed mostly the same. State played better last year against Syracuse and both times against Carolina, this year against Duke. Overall, roughly the same. Individual players have matured and gotten better, some more than others. Problems with stupid fouls, leadership, composure, ... remain.
It doesn't matter really what I think is going on. It will depend on how State fans deal with the remaining games. Pre ACC play, I predicted State would likely have 8 or maybe 9 ACC wins, with 7 or 10 possible but unlikely. With three games remaining, that is still the case. The current losing "streak" is as much a schedule quirk as the earlier wins. If State goes 1-5 to end the regular season, will the fans see that as a meltdown? I don't know.
This year's schedule weaker than last year??? You might want to start referencing facts before posting opinions.
One of the hits against Sid has always been his weak non-conference scheduling. Sid's strength of schedule last year ended at #60 only because of ACC teams. As of Dec 31, 2010, his schedule was ranked #92. Then after the 1st week in January 2011, State played #309 Delaware St, #310 Alabama A&M and #313 San Diego St and their strength of schedule dropped to #221.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/teams/north-carolina-state/rank?season=2010-2011
One of the first steps Gott took in May was dropping some weak teams off Sid's 2011-12 schedule for the sole purpose of having the opportunity for an improved RPI. State's strength of schedule is currently #28 in the nation. As of Dec 31, 2011, their SOS was ranked #25 because Gott was able to bring teams such as Vandy and Texas. http://statsheet.com/mcb/teams/north-carolina-state/rank
Gott has Sid's recruits currently at #5 in the ACC vs the preseason prediction of #8 something Sid was not able to do. http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/101911aaa.html
Gott's 2012 recruiting class is ranked among the top 10 in the nation. Possibly top 5 depending upon Amile Jefferson's decision next month.
They are 2 wins shy of a 20 win season while playing the 28th toughest schedule in the nation. Doubt he will make the NCAA tourn. But,Gott wins 2 or 3 more and ends up #4 or #5 in ACC he will be in the running for ACC coach of the year.
Last year's schedule tougher?.......the only "placebo affect" here is the illusion you are trying to create.
Nothing you wrote has anything to do with the relative difficulty of the ACC schedule for State this year vs last year. Almost any knucklehead can easily see that State has a very easy ACC conference schedule this year, playing twice four teams at the bottom of the conference while playing only UNC twice among teams in the upper half of the conference. The unbalanced ACC schedule does things like that. Last year it hurt State, this year it helped.
So take a pill, and try to keep up and stay on point.
Glass is half full. When's the last time Pack Fans were optimistic about the future of Pack BBall?
- Posted by HansGlass is half full. When's the last time Pack Fans were optimistic about the future of Pack BBall?
Every offseason, actually.
Rank: Sports Legend - Posted by HansGlass is half full. When's the last time Pack Fans were optimistic about the future of Pack BBall?
Every offseason, actually.
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