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  • RadicalMagick Apr 21, 2012
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    Wow, this coming from one of UNC's biggest trolls, I am shocked. Hum, use like I said, twice I think. That statement refers to an earlier statement by meaning and has nothing to do with facts. However, you can always go back and check facts can't you? Facts are what they are and "Like I said" 10,000 posts from UNC fans will not change it. But I will say that my post was in response to a post by a UNC troll, I don't post negatively about UNC unless it is in a response to another post, can't say that can you? Hum, winning or trolls, which would make the most ABCers?

  • 35 - 7 ROFL Apr 20, 2012
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    For those who remember, key members in Harris' group of advisors pretty much blocked out State during his recruitment out of high school. Kind of ironic how things turned out.

  • NCSU79 Apr 19, 2012
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    Here's the story. The original 26-team exclusion is now down to just other schools in the Big Ten.
    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger-college-basketball-blog/bo-ryan-first-public-comments-jarrod-uthoff-only-133056874.html;_ylt=Aiifn2GNr26JFe7f3kAK6qXevbYF

  • lmartin152 Apr 19, 2012
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    For an interesting twist, check into the Bo Ryan (Wisconsin coach) deal on ESPN radio this morning on the Mike & Mike show. Heard a bit about it on 99.9 FM this afternoon, he painted himself in a hell of a corner on a transfer, makes Frank Martin look reasonable by comparison.

    P.S. He's no relation to me, so don't even start.

    :)

  • rutrowrob Apr 19, 2012
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    Did anyone mention that the South Carolina AD is Eric Hyman and he was an associate athletic director at NC State years ago? Wonder if there was any bad blood?

  • VT1994Hokie Apr 19, 2012
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    It sounds like Coach Martin is a tough hombre. If the player isn't going to play for anyone in his conference, it really shouldn't matter where he goes to school. No coach should be able to have this power over a player that wants to transfer.

  • boposke Apr 19, 2012
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    Come to the Pack!!!

  • zoocrew83 Apr 19, 2012
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    If Damontre wants to come to NCSU it still can happen. It does not matter what Frank Martin or the AD at South Carolina does or says. Which btw this will only hurt their program in the long run. H.S coaches will black ball them and kids will not want to play for them either. Damontre can still come to State (he will sit out a year) but will have to pay for 1 year of school at NCSU (and i think he can still get financial aid). However, after that year is up. He can receive a scholarship for his 3 remaining years to play ball at State.

  • kato_karma.01 Apr 18, 2012
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    ^
    Radical concept.
    If you use "like I said" a few times, it makes things true.
    Wow -- this singular post changes everything!!!
    Life is good.
    Go Heels!!!

  • RadicalMagick Apr 18, 2012
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    You are correct. But the biggest issue that he is not addressing is that State took actions themselves instead of waiting for the NCAA to come after them. As of right now he is suspended from all practices with the team, that might be temp. or permanent depending on the outcome of charges against him. As far as Leslie, State self-reported the violations to the NCAA, again instead of waiting for the NCAA to come after them. And Leslie was punished by State according to NCAA guidelines. Because their program got caught for some major violations,some UNC fans try to make minor violations of another school a major issue. But like I said, in both cases State self-reported to the NCAA, co-operated with the NCAA and State imposed punishment before the NCAA even started an investigation. In UNC's case, they did not self-report anything until the NCAA already informed UNC that they were under investigation, they did not co-operate with the NCAA investigation in the beginning, and they did not impose any punishment until after they were informed by the NCAA that they were under investigation. All these facts are easy to check. Like I said, some UNC fans want to try and make major issues out of minor ones to tell themselves that State are bigger cheaters than their school is, but the facts are that State has shown integrity and done the right thing when an issue has come up and UNC hasn't. If it makes them feel better, they can try and spin it anyway they want to, it really doesn't matter because State fans and everybody else has seen the difference in the way the two schools handles things. The integrity of the two programs is shown by the way they handle the issues, there is not one thing that shows that State did not act with integrity and honesty in their investigations, while you sure can't say the same about UNC. It is what it is and 10,000 posts from UNC fans will not change it.

  • yactfirst Apr 18, 2012
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    If this is the same kid that use to play at Mt. Zion then he has wanted to come to state before. He and Joseph Uchebo were both very interested in State when they were freshmen or Sophmores. Joseph Uchebo even verbably commited but later decommitted around the time Lowe left. I think Joe wanted to play in a smaller env while allowing himself more adjusting time. Damontre is a very good athlete. I did not realize that he had gone to SC.

  • RadicalMagick Apr 18, 2012
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    Well one of the biggest thing is the fact that his high school coach does denies it. That coach does not have any ties with NCSU or any reason to lie for NCSU. To compare Leslie's violations or Green's violations to UNC's is a real joke. First, Leslie's violations were minor infractions and Green's actually were not NCAA violations, where UNC's violations were major violations. UNC fans have their school cught with one of the worst scandels in ACC history and they reach for straws, trying to compare a couple of minor violations to a program wide scandel. Leslie was punished for his violations in accordance with NCAA standards and Green is being punished as well, but at no time did NCSU deny or try to cover up the violations, that is one of the biggest differences. UNC did deny and tried to cover it up instead of co-operating with the NCAA at first. Who was the UNC player that plagerized the paper? That is more in line with Leslie's violations, one individual player commiting a violation instead of a whole program. Eventhough I'll argue that using a car or having a cousin recieve money does not compare to cheating on a school paper. I don't ever remember a case of a State athlete cheating on classwork, might have happened but don't remember it. So never mind the major violations committed by the UNC football program, to me the cheating on classwork is worse than agents on staff or the other violations. Academic fraud is the worst violation that there is. And yes, the UNC player was punished accordingly. That was just one comparison as to grasping for straws. But the main thing is that nobody has introduced any proof that Early tampered, witnesses say that he didn't, and NCSU has taken responsibility and come forth honestly with all investigations against the school, one the other hand, you can say the completely opposite for UNC. But I'm sure if you go back years or decades ago you can probably find denial by both schools.

  • RadicalMagick Apr 17, 2012
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    Its not Martin, its the AD at USC. There is bad blood between Early and USC over his leaving USC and trying to recruit players that USC wanted and the AD is holding a grudge. But just goes to show how d**b Martin and the AD at USC really are. If I were involved with USC and had a player that was going to transfer, I do think common sense would dictate that I had rather him go to a school like NCSU than to a school like Florida or Kentucky in the same conference. I'm sure Early as well as other former USC coaches have talked to Harris over the past year, not uncommon at all, but it doesn't mean he violated any rules. If he did violate rules that will be the end of his coaching career at NCSU. I would hate to see that because he is a important part of the coaching staff. However at this point I have to believe what the people that actually had conversations with Early have said, he absolutely did not interfer, I guess only time and an investigation will tell.

  • ACCInsider Apr 17, 2012
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    In your same line of thought - also, no question that other college coaches (Kansas, Texas, Virginia, VT, Clemson) contacted his high school coach.

    But, the high school coach's most interesting comment was "There's some bad blood between Orlando Early and the athletic dept at South Carolina. It's not Frank Martin. It's Eric Hyman, the athletic director...."(1973 UNC grad who experienced the birth of the Thompson era.)

  • RadicalMagick Apr 17, 2012
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    Lol, now that is so funny, I really needed a good laugh today. Cheat king? Let me see, 9 major violations, accused of academic fraud, pro agent, on staff, worst NCAA violations in the history of the state of NC, players kick-off of team, post-season ban, loss of scholarships, wonder what school that was, definitely not NC State. Doesn't get much worse than that, and that answers who the cheat king is. I really hope you are not a UNC fan, because that would make you look really bad calling another school cheats. Lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol.

  • caniacrbc Apr 17, 2012
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    Allowing Martin to deny Harris a release to NC State is akin to allowing a citizen to charge someone with reckless driving because they got cut off on the highway.

    "I’ve always liked Martin as a coach. I’ve admired the way that he runs his program, but that was because he always seemed to have his player’s best interests at heart.

    I guess that is only the case when they want to play for him."

    Best quote of the article

  • ACCInsider Apr 17, 2012
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    The NCAA disputes it. Florida State holds that lead.

    However, the ACC no longer has a king. A triumvirate now reigns.

  • careerman7370 Apr 17, 2012
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    Hans, please, just please, shut up!

  • lmartin152 Apr 17, 2012
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    Consider it cued.

    http://soundlasercenters.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Joe-Friday-300x288.jpg

  • wolfpackindahouseV.3 Apr 17, 2012
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    ^^^^correct.

    the mentally challenged one you're addressing is making a WILD ASSUMPTION, that because PARAPHERNALIA with a "trace" of marijuana on it were found in one's possession, that AUTOMATICALLY means that person drives while stoned.

    LMBAO!!!

    based on this mental midget's "logic", every person that owns a gun (by virtue of the black market) will eventually, "probably" use it to kill someone.

    LMBAO!!

    how embarrassing for it.

  • tommybrownnc Apr 17, 2012
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    Jack, this is about the third or fourth time you have mentioned that a State player was caught doing 100 mph, and "prob" stoned. Do you know for a fact if either or both are true, or are you just throwing out those 2 things to try and make him look worse than he may be? What does "prob" stoned mean? That you "think" he "might" have been "stoned" when he was "maybe" doing "100 mph", "maybe?".

    What gives?

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again02 Apr 17, 2012
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    So request the records. His school phone is subject to public records laws. Go for it. I do wonder what you would be saying if these coaches had zero calls on their NCSU-provided phones, though. Especially if a judge ruled you could see those "private" records and never got them.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again02 Apr 17, 2012
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    Fair enough. No need to belittle those of us who know we have talent, more talent coming in, and coaches that know how to coach. And I said "championship caliber". It was not a prediction of a championship.

    And like someone else said, you're disagreeing with others who are not just anonymous bloggers. I'm buying what Gott is selling. I never claimed State to be a championship caliber team since I can remember.

    I just wonder what it will take to get you to buy in rather than being a continual troll just attacking when others agree with what people "in the know" have to say about us.

    Like it or not, and I'm sure you don't, State is a championship caliber team now. Meaning we have what it takes to get there. It's just a matter of going out and doing it.

  • ssjack830 Apr 17, 2012
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    yep when someone associated with Carolina's deal denies it...you assume they are lying and call for records...of course his high school coach's denial is gospel. right? says so in the Bible of Hypocrisy. Now. Gonna start a movement to get to the bottom of things, continue to call for the worse punishments without definitive proof, and, after many get shellacked for nothing, continue to disparage the program for cheating? Remember that "pattern" thinking...hmmm...cj takes benefits, still on the team. player caught endangering lives by doing a 100mph, prob stoned, and you defend him. hmmm, now inside recruiting taking place that P*sses off his current coach. No scandals right? quick, run to the Bible to give out the holy excuses and rationalizations. Cue it up gentlemen.

  • wolfpackindahouseV.3 Apr 17, 2012
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    he may, but "those in the know" clearly do NOT.

    hansy lives her life in a paradigm of negativity.... she can't break free, at least NOT when the topic at hand is, NC State.

    sad??? of course.

    funny to witness??? UNquestionably!

  • Ken D. Apr 17, 2012
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    Unfortunately, he doesn't need a reason, acceptable or otherwise, for not giving permission to transfer. Of course, it isn't even the coach whose permission is required. It is, by NCAA rule, the athletic director who must give permission.

    Denying permission does not preclude a transfer, nor does granting it allow the player to play at a new D-I school any sooner. However, if permission is not granted, the player may not receive a scholarship at his new school until he has been in attendance for one year.

    The more publicity this gets, the greater the likelihood that USC's athletic director will see the light and give his permission. To do otherwise would probably hurt USC's recruiting in the long run. Then the question will be: is this an academic exercise, or does the kid actually want to come to State? I haven't heard him say one way or the other.

  • Hans Apr 17, 2012
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    As much as I do every offseason when I hear it.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again02 Apr 17, 2012
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    I gave you a smiling wink back, man. :)

    I was just making a point that there is probably a lot more to Butch's phone records than anyone will find in our basketball coach's phones, and that if it would bring Butch's to light, we would GLADLY let you see ours. :)

    I smile because I would love for that to happen. :)

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again02 Apr 17, 2012
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    Do you disagree?

  • buckets112 Apr 17, 2012
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    harris' coach was fired and frank martin is a volcano on two legs so i'm not surprised at the kid's desire to transfer...i wouldn't want to play for him. look up his anger on youtube.

    i don't know what to think of this tampering stuff. obviously harris wants to go somewhere where he can get playing time and he already has an established relationship with coach early so nc state makes sense. ncaa rules are in place and you have to abide by them (no matter how asinine they are) so if there was a rules infraction, well then you have to deal with the consequences.

  • unc70 Apr 17, 2012
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    Badger, you should remember I was never fond of Butch, not from the day he was hired.

    And you obviously saw my smiling wink.

    That said, I have no clue yet if pulling on this thread causes anything to unravel or not. My guess is there is something,

  • mrwuf2012 Apr 17, 2012
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    when i first i heard the news, i was thinking it was maybe the SEC and NC State..so it seems it is literally only NC State out of the whole NCAA? The respectable thing to do is to make him leave the SEC only

  • FAN72 Apr 17, 2012
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    Please note I had to alter the name of the paper due to WRAL's offensive term policy.

  • Hans Apr 17, 2012
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    And away we go!

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again02 Apr 17, 2012
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    Dude knows State was recruiting him and he was interested. Now the kid wants to leave, and they want to hurt him by not letting him go where he wants -- a championship caliber NC State team.

    When a program denies a transfer request, there should be rules in place that require the coaches to provide an acceptable reason for why they are denying the transfer. Normally, it's to keep kids from going to a team your team will be facing in the future. You don't want a kid taking intimate knowledge of your team to an opponent where it can be used against you. But State and USc are not playing each other (unless we meet in the big dance next year).

    It is inexcusable for this coach to deny his right to transfer to NC State. He has no acceptable reason for doing so.

  • mrwuf2012 Apr 17, 2012
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    Yea theres some relationship with Early and his old AAU coach I believe. But it seems like we're in the clear, Martin is just mad cause he is losing players and is trying to keep him there since State is probably where he wants to go. I've heard he is going to try and appeal it to the NCAA? Is there any chance he can get this waived, or Martin gives in and doesn't want to deal with it? He would be a good pick up for when Howell graduates

  • FAN72 Apr 17, 2012
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    According to his high school coach and his mother, no contact was made by NC State. So why the condition by Martin? She also said that Martin didn't even contact Damontre nor the family when he got the job, although he had stated in an article at the time of his hiring that he intended to do so with all current players and family.

    The mother's statement was in the Daily Game Newspaper.

    Like I said before, I don't much care for Coach Martin!

  • wmarti Apr 17, 2012
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    Nothing in that article implicates State for anything...there can be no proof, so no penalty...

    Let's move on...the dude probably wants to come to State to play with all the studs coming in...I would.

    Absurd rules to begin with...so what if State contacted the kid to see if he wants to come.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again02 Apr 17, 2012
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    As a Carolina fan, you know all too well about cover-ups. :)

    We will gladly trade you the phone records you seek for Butch's 216 phone records. Deal? But we both know, you really don't want that.

  • unc70 Apr 17, 2012
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    Here is an interview with his high school coach. No question that there was contact by State assistant (former SC assistant) with Damontre, no question that State contacted his high school coach. The question is whether any of that reached the level of "tampering". I suppose we would have to see all the phone records to be absolutely sure there's no coverup. ;)

    http://blogs.fayobserver.com/accbasketball/April-2012/Damontre-Harris--high-school-coach-says-N-C--State

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again02 Apr 17, 2012
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    The kid is fighting this, too. It appears he really wants to come to State. But these days, who doesn't!

    GO PACK!!!

  • cmac4eva Apr 17, 2012
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    If this kid really wants to come to NC State, it's in Frank Martin's best interest to let it happen regardless of what he thinks happened. This could potentially blow up in his face making him the bad guy.

  • FAN72 Apr 17, 2012
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    The fact that NC State had recruited the young man before he chose to go to SC indicates that SC's new coach put in the exception rule out of spite. It is his way of trying to punish Harris for leaving by preventing him to go where he probably now wants to go. Just my opinion. I don't think much of Coach Martin. Most coaches only put in exceptions for schools within their own conference.

  • wolfpackindahouseV.3 Apr 17, 2012
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    ^^^this

    he's basically the black santa of college hoops.

  • NCSU72 Apr 17, 2012
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    Nice article -- the writer poses some great questions about NCAA rules for players when a coaching change occurs.

    This paragraph seems to be the most pertinent in terms of what may or may not have happened with Damontre Harris once there was a coaching change:

  • 903 national champions Apr 17, 2012
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    There's nothing to this story because Frank Martin's reputation is worse than anyone at NC State or the ACC for that matter. He's lucky to still be a head coach in D-1.

  • unc70 Apr 17, 2012
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    Gill and Harris have been on the radar as possible transfers for 4-6 weeks, if not longer.

    Reading between the lines and looking at the exact wording of the "denials" suggest to me that there is probably something to this story. No clue how much.

  • 903 national champions Apr 17, 2012
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    The Currys contacted Duke. It isn't like Dell doesn't already know every coach within 300 miles of Charlotte over the past 20 years anyway.

  • tommybrownnc Apr 17, 2012
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    Thanks. Good article. If Early, and I mean a big IF, did talk to this kid about transferring to State, that is wrong and should be addressed accordingly. If not, the article brings up some very good points re NCAA rules AND how coaches can be very hypocritical. Should be interesting how this plays out.

    For the record, before this thread was started, I never heard about this player or the controversy. I don't have the time to follow what is going on around the recruiting trails. I learn most of it here, on these blogs.

  • wolfpackindahouseV.3 Apr 17, 2012
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    One basketball source told us Early has been working through Harris’ high school coach, Heath Vandevender, for several months trying to facilitate a transfer to Raleigh. According to the source, Early has also reached out to Harris, citing his previous relationship with him as the reason for the contact.

    Vandevender denies that claim
    . He said Harris has not talked to any school about a transfer


    ^^^I bolded the pertinent part... if the coach says he's NOT been contacted, it's OVER.... what are they (the NCAA) gonna do???

    the truth is, martin's feeling small because he was NEVER offered the State job, and is thus lashing out at the program that didn't give him the time of day.

    I actually LOVE this story... it SCREAMS that State is once again RELEVANT, and FEARED!!!

    color me LOVING IT!

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