NC State fudges Spring Game attendance
RE: NC State fudges Spring Game attendance
Don't forget "presumption of innocence", "burden of proof" and "beyond a reasonable doubt". Maybe ssjack830 is in favor of roadside trials conducted by the arresting officer.
- Posted by NCSU79
Lol....seriously, LOL at ANY State fan saying this ever again.
I understand, thrill. You probably grew up believing the "Carolina Way" really exists, and these past 2 years have been difficult for you. Your school sold its soul for a pipe dream of national relevance in football, and all it got for it was a mention in SI as a darkhorse national championship contender and a Music City Bowl trophy. Don't be mad at us NCSU fans, we only performed the intervention. Be mad at that con-man drawing a check from you for the next 3 years in Tampa Bay who had you convinced that national football relevance was possible.
Says the fan of the school whose only athletic highlight of the past 20 years has been an NCAA investigation of its so-called "rival" school.
We're Carolina...we're strong enough to get over an NCAA investigation. You weren't...which is why you basketball team is still trying to recover from transgressions that you committed in the 1980s, why you have the lowest athletic graduation rates of any school in the ACC, and why your athletic department is consistently one of the least successful athletic departments in the conference.
RE: NC State fudges Spring Game attendance
That's pretty big talk coming from the fan of a school that hasn't beaten its non-rival in football for the past 5 years, even with a bunch of NFL draftees.
RE: NC State fudges Spring Game attendance
The "presumption of innocence" only applies in criminal trials. In the court of public opinion, we draw our own conclusions based upon the available evidence. As I recall, you claimed that UNC's only problem was a rogue assistant and that UNC need not voluntarily skip the Independence Bowl because no post-season ban would be included in the sanctions. UNC obviously had problems throughout the football program. If Mustafa's situation is symptomatic of a program-wide problem, I'm sure the BOG will call for an independent investigation.
- Posted by NCSU79
Who are you talking about? I never made any predictions on here because I just started posting. However, I will humor you and say I did not think UNC would get a post-season ban. By going to the Independence Bowl, UNC contributed their share to the bowl split money everyone in the conference gets. Just because UNC won't be going to a bowl this year does not mean we will not get some bowl split money. Don't forget to contribute, it will be a nice payback from when we carried you guys in 2010.
I did not know the NCAA used the "court of public opinion" to determine guilt. The things you learn on here from the posters who pretend they know everything. B)
RE: NC State fudges Spring Game attendance
Get over it. It's the equivalent of administrative leave in the employment context until the charges are resolved.
- Posted by NCSU79
Really? betcha he takes the field in sept. and doubtful we'll hear exactly what deals were made...caught red,so to speak,handed...any player from any team, including Carolina, who puts people's lives at risk and then is soooooo remorseful...HE BLOWS OFF COURT...NEEDS TO BE BANNED FROM THE TEAM. PERIOD...ANYTHING ELSE AND TOB IS CLEARLY NOT THE ETHICAL GUY THE STATE PR MACHINE HAS CREATED. CLEARLY. gentlemen cue up the excuses from all the homers who don't care what could have happened...hey I personally dont care about the grinder...let him grind away for the rest of the football team...at least no one potentially is crying over a grave.
RE: NC State fudges Spring Game attendance
Don't forget "presumption of innocence", "burden of proof" and "beyond a reasonable doubt". Maybe ssjack830 is in favor of roadside trials conducted by the arresting officer.
- Posted by NCSU79
Lol....seriously, LOL at ANY State fan saying this ever again.
I understand, thrill. You probably grew up believing the "Carolina Way" really exists, and these past 2 years have been difficult for you. Your school sold its soul for a pipe dream of national relevance in football, and all it got for it was a mention in SI as a darkhorse national championship contender and a Music City Bowl trophy. Don't be mad at us NCSU fans, we only performed the intervention. Be mad at that con-man drawing a check from you for the next 3 years in Tampa Bay who had you convinced that national football relevance was possible.
Says the fan of the school whose only athletic highlight of the past 20 years has been an NCAA investigation of its so-called "rival" school.
We're Carolina...we're strong enough to get over an NCAA investigation. You weren't...which is why you basketball team is still trying to recover from transgressions that you committed in the 1980s, why you have the lowest athletic graduation rates of any school in the ACC, and why your athletic department is consistently one of the least successful athletic departments in the conference.
I seriously wouldn't be bragging about ANYONE's graduation rates after all the cheating and fraud that's been exposed at Carolina.
Seriously, your teams consistently take MORE non-qualifiers than any 1A school in the state, yet you graduate more of them. Doesn't anyone think that's suspicious?
How do you take MORE of the least qualified kids and consistently have them leave UNC with degrees?
Answer: Cheating. Now everyone knows it.
Sorry, but at State, our kids actually have to go to class. They can't turn in papers that are almost 100% plagiarized and get away with it. They don't have tutors writing and re-writing papers for them.
Yes, we have some easier, 'jock' majors like everyone else, but they DO have to attend class and do the work. Unlike at UNC.
And LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL at any UNC fans who EVER brings up academics again. What an absolute joke that is.
RE: NC State fudges Spring Game attendance
Don't forget "presumption of innocence", "burden of proof" and "beyond a reasonable doubt". Maybe ssjack830 is in favor of roadside trials conducted by the arresting officer.
- Posted by NCSU79
I got a great laugh out of this Mr. 79. After your posts on the NCAA investigation at UNC and your condemnation of the athletes, tutors, and program, for you to lecture us on "due process" and "burden of proof" now is absolutely hysterical. I'm looking for a word to use here, starts with an H, ends in a Y, but it's just not coming to me...hmmm, oh, wait, that's it, hooey! (fooled you on that one)
Um, during the UNC fiasco, we had EVIDENCE. That's how we knew UNC was in trouble, that's where everyone's opinion on UNC came from. Well, that, and decades of knowing UNC cheated and got away with it.
In the Greene case, the only evidence we have is, he was stopped and cited for traffic violations.
Then they found some drug residue at his place another time.
So he speeds, and smokes some weed, apparently.
And? It's not good, but it's not like he's been charged with rape, like LT, or DWI, like AJ Blue(still on the team). More like the dozen or more marijuana arrests like UNC has had over the last decade or so. A LOT more than State has had, that's for sure. But that's what we have to go on.
Greene didn't participate in spring ball, and his future is still up in the air.
If he plays, I don't see how that's anywhere at all worse than UNC keeping players on the team who have done similar or worse things.
The rap sheets between the two schools are so heavily tilted toward UNC over the last ten or more years, it's not even close.
RE: NC State fudges Spring Game attendance
Don't forget "presumption of innocence", "burden of proof" and "beyond a reasonable doubt". Maybe ssjack830 is in favor of roadside trials conducted by the arresting officer.
- Posted by NCSU79
Lol....seriously, LOL at ANY State fan saying this ever again.
I think after the absolute witch hunt against NC State in the late-80's that produced mostly nothing but castrated our athletics program and left us with a UNC yes-man as AD, yeah, I think that any failure to presume UNC's innocence on our part can rightly be overlooked. We have plenty of goodwill for that banked over the last 20 years.
RE: NC State fudges Spring Game attendance
^^^cowards just like their coach...GO TO A MADD MEETING M*THERF*CKERS AND DEFEND HIM...DARE YA...AND YOU WONDER WHY YOU ARE THE LEAST RESPECTED FANS...HYPOCRITE U.
- Posted by ssjack830
MADD is Mothers Against Driving Drunk.
Exactly who on NC State's team has been accused or charged with this, or driving under the influence of any other substance?
Again, produce the link to a police report, or shut up.
RE: NC State fudges Spring Game attendance
Lol....seriously, LOL at ANY State fan saying this ever again.
- Posted by chapelthrill2007
I understand, thrill. You probably grew up believing the "Carolina Way" really exists, and these past 2 years have been difficult for you. Your school sold its soul for a pipe dream of national relevance in football, and all it got for it was a mention in SI as a darkhorse national championship contender and a Music City Bowl trophy. Don't be mad at us NCSU fans, we only performed the intervention. Be mad at that con-man drawing a check from you for the next 3 years in Tampa Bay who had you convinced that national football relevance was possible.
Says the fan of the school whose only athletic highlight of the past 20 years has been an NCAA investigation of its so-called "rival" school.
We're Carolina...we're strong enough to get over an NCAA investigation. You weren't...which is why you basketball team is still trying to recover from transgressions that you committed in the 1980s, why you have the lowest athletic graduation rates of any school in the ACC, and why your athletic department is consistently one of the least successful athletic departments in the conference.
I seriously wouldn't be bragging about ANYONE's graduation rates after all the cheating and fraud that's been exposed at Carolina.
Seriously, your teams consistently take MORE non-qualifiers than any 1A school in the state, yet you graduate more of them. Doesn't anyone think that's suspicious?
How do you take MORE of the least qualified kids and consistently have them leave UNC with degrees?
Answer: Cheating. Now everyone knows it.
Sorry, but at State, our kids actually have to go to class. They can't turn in papers that are almost 100% plagiarized and get away with it. They don't have tutors writing and re-writing papers for them.
Yes, we have some easier, 'jock' majors like everyone else, but they DO have to attend class and do the work. Unlike at UNC.
And LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL at any UNC fans who EVER brings up academics again. What an absolute joke that is.
You are an NC State fan. You really don't want to get into an "academic" argument against the flagship. You'll lose that one every time.
RE: NC State fudges Spring Game attendance
Sure I do. We're talking athletes. If you are going to try and say UNC has "better" academics, which in the undergrad is very, very debatable by pretty much any measure, then "better" typically also goes hand-in-hand with "more difficult".
Agree?
So, if you theoretically have "harder/more difficult" academics, and at the same time you take FAR more non-qualifiers than any other 1A school in the state, then the application of the most simple logic would dictate that you SHOULD have far more academic casualties than any other school as a result, right?
Problem is, somehow UNC defies logic, and almost NEVER loses a player to academics, and in fact, graduates more of these dummies than any public university in the state.
Now how is that?
Butch was signing more non-qualifiers, or "committee cases", as UNC named them to prevent more scrutiny, in ONE, repeat ONE recruiting class
than NC State had in their entire athletics program.
Now read that bolded part again. So UNC had more unqualified 'students' in their football program than any program in the state, and still they had no problem keeping them eligible at the "flagship", no problems graduating them.
And now that we know for an absolute FACT that UNC had rampant cheating going on with professors, tutors, etc, please tell me again how they kept eligible players that were denied admission at schools like Clemson.
Oh, you're darn right I'll take you and anyone else on in this argument. You will lose, badly. Cheating cheaters.
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