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RE: NC State fudges Spring Game attendance

Still waiting Jack's position on AJ Blue (DWI) still being on the UNC team.  

- Posted by Juice E Fruit

you are apparently unable to read, as I've posted several times, I don't care who or where the player plays. I don't know anything about blue's situation, but anyone with a scholarship that gets caught endangering the public should be banned from the team unless CLEARED. Not remain on the team. There oh clueless one, I've stated it for the hundredth time...think you got it now? so should greene play or not?  

- Posted by ssjack830

TOB will determine that, and we will trust in his judgement.

Greene has already sat out spring practice.

Personally, if it were up to me, I'd go with the Dick Sheridan iron fist, and suspend any player that did things like this for a year or more.

But today is different. If you did, you wouldn't have a team in pretty short order, and everyone else would.

So based on TODAY'S standards of punishment, no, Greene should not be kicked off the team. Perhaps suspended for a game or two.

Again, I'd love for all coaches to take a stand and kick every one of these players off their teams, but the fact of the matter is, they don't. So TOB really can't, either, or he'd have no chance of fielding a competitive team because other teams like UNC are seemingly okay with having pot-smoking, DWI-ing, riding around with a drug dealer players like Blue on their teams.

And the fact is, you have to take things in the right context. Greene was speeding on I-85. Not through a neighborhood. Neither is excusable, but one is definitely worse to do and more likely to cause an accident.
We'll see what the courts decide....I suspect TOB will based whatever punishment Green receives on that, or what he knows is coming.  

- Posted by Juice E Fruit

So a player who with reckless abandonment puts innocent people in danger, while breaking several laws, and then blows off court, should only be suspended for a game or two. But a Carolina player who was caught plagiarizing one paper should be permanently banned from playing football?

RE: NC State fudges Spring Game attendance

Still waiting Jack's position on AJ Blue (DWI) still being on the UNC team.  

- Posted by Juice E Fruit

you are apparently unable to read, as I've posted several times, I don't care who or where the player plays. I don't know anything about blue's situation, but anyone with a scholarship that gets caught endangering the public should be banned from the team unless CLEARED. Not remain on the team. There oh clueless one, I've stated it for the hundredth time...think you got it now? so should greene play or not?  

- Posted by ssjack830

TOB will determine that, and we will trust in his judgement.

Greene has already sat out spring practice.

Personally, if it were up to me, I'd go with the Dick Sheridan iron fist, and suspend any player that did things like this for a year or more.

But today is different. If you did, you wouldn't have a team in pretty short order, and everyone else would.

So based on TODAY'S standards of punishment, no, Greene should not be kicked off the team. Perhaps suspended for a game or two.

Again, I'd love for all coaches to take a stand and kick every one of these players off their teams, but the fact of the matter is, they don't. So TOB really can't, either, or he'd have no chance of fielding a competitive team because other teams like UNC are seemingly okay with having pot-smoking, DWI-ing, riding around with a drug dealer players like Blue on their teams.

And the fact is, you have to take things in the right context. Greene was speeding on I-85. Not through a neighborhood. Neither is excusable, but one is definitely worse to do and more likely to cause an accident.
We'll see what the courts decide....I suspect TOB will based whatever punishment Green receives on that, or what he knows is coming.  

- Posted by Juice E Fruit

So a player who with reckless abandonment puts innocent people in danger, while breaking several laws, and then blows off court, should only be suspended for a game or two. But a Carolina player who was caught plagiarizing one paper should be permanently banned from playing football?  

- Posted by heelsfaninraleigh

Quote me where I said McAdoo should been banned from playing football.

Still waiting...............

"reckless abandonment"? Dude was speeding. He was ticketed. Not convicted yet. The "reckless driving" may or may not be. By definition, you could theoretically say that anyone who is speeding is driving recklessly.
He should get whatever he should get, based on similar incidents throughout the NCAA. Just like McAdoo did.

Colleges take cheating very seriously...or at least some do. If you are a regular student, you are subject to being expelled for at least a semester for cheating, maybe a year. And that's just a regular student, not a privileged athlete. And if you 'll recall, McAdoo's plagiarism had absolutely no bearing on his suspension...in fact, it wasn't even known about when he went before the NCAA and the Honor Court.
It was only discovered by State fans after the documents were made public when he brought his lawsuit.
The NCAA apparently didn't buy the Honor Court's 1 semester suspension (conveniently in the spring semester), and banned him permanently.

A regular student isn't going to be expelled for a speeding ticket (or even a bunch of tickets), and regardless of the MPH he was driving, that's what it is. So neither should a football player, however I would agree that he should have some sort of extra punishment since he is one of those "privileged athletes".

RE: NC State fudges Spring Game attendance

I didn't say that you said he should be banned. My comment was based on your quote of punishment by today's standards. I'm asking if you think what happened to the Carolina player was fair versus what you think is fair punishment for the State player.

Colleges do take cheating seriously as they should. As you stated, regular students are expelled for a semester for cheating - as Carolina did to McAdoo. Then the NCAA came in with the permanent ban. But as serious as cheating is, endangering the lives of innocent people is much worse. And driving down at highway at just under 100 mph is most definitely reckless abandon.

RE: NC State fudges Spring Game attendance

See next post

Here are links to UNC's exceptions for those who said I didn't have them

Well, as a matter of fact, I DO have a link:
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/11/28/1870685/unc-athletes-caught-in-squeeze.html

At UNC, about half of the football recruiting classes over the past six years have been admitted to school through a special committee process required for students who fall below academic requirements.[/quote]

See that? HALF of UNC's recruits were non-qualifiers, or "committee cases". HALF.

Next link:
http://www.dailytarheel.com/index.php/article/2010/10/fewer_athlete_exceptions_let_in

Number of students granted admission who did not meet minimum requirements:

-2010: 14
-2009: 16
-2008: 13
-2007: 22 -2006: 27 

Those exceptions are JUST FOOTBALL. See that even though UNC had less, down from entire classes being exceptions, they still had 14, FOURTEEN in 2010.

Whereas State had: [quote]At N.C. State - which often recruits the same in-state athletes as UNC - 15 football players have gone before a special admissions committee since 2006 because they did not meet minimum curriculum requirements set by the UNC-system Board of Governors. 

That's 15 SINCE 2006. Total. Not per year. That's right, State had 15 exceptions signed over FIVE classes, and UNC had, in those same 5 classes, 92. 92. NINETY TWO. And that's JUST for football. Okay genius, there's your links, and I could get more if needed, but since one is your very own Daily Tar Heel and the other your very own Charlotte Observer, kinda hard to argue with the FACTS. Carolina absolutely, 100% stone-cold simply admits MANY times more exceptions than State. FACT. NOW: Couple this fact with the newly-reported info on rampant cheating with UNC's African studies...and given the fact that most UNC athletes in football AND basketball take those bogus classes that give grades for just enrolling, what say you fans of the Cheating Cheaters?