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  • UNC - The Fagship Dec 2, 2012
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    ROFL!!! Now the loser is stalking me.

    HAHAHAHAHA

  • JacobSummersEsquire Dec 1, 2012
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    IT'S not the word that is offensive, apparently WRAL has picked up that as a human being he is offensive and lower level totem pole in the evolutionary chain. Thus, his very name is deemed unpostable. Much like in his real life females find him undateable.

  • hovis Dec 1, 2012
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    Just saying that even high profile schools hire search committees when they desire secrecy.

  • Ken D. Dec 1, 2012
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    I took that comment to be a dig at DY, not a serious definition of "perennial".

  • VT1994Hokie Dec 1, 2012
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    Good one KenD.

  • hovis Dec 1, 2012
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    Search committees are hired to keep the search quiet more than to find and acquire targets.

  • sportznut628 Dec 1, 2012
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    perrenial means when a coach retires or is let go ...not having to hire a search committee for a new one.....

  • Ken D. Dec 1, 2012
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    I only went back 10 years, since that's how long the BCS rankings had 25 teams instead of 15. Only four schools had more top 25's (9) than VT (8) during that span. Boise, LSU, Oklahoma and Texas.

    Using the final AP poll for the 5 years before that, VT moves up to second place (13 appearances) behind only Texas (14). Florida, Georgia and Oklahoma had 12 each. Ohio State had 10, as did Boise State. But Boise's first ever top 25 was in 2002 (they were in the FCS until 1998), so they have gone 10/11 since they broke through.

    In any case, VT is in rarefied air when it comes to consistency, even if they are rarely a NT contender. But before 1998, they kind of fall off the map. Only under Beamer have they had much success. For me, perennial also implies over decades, not just years. If you look at who was contending for national champions over the last fifty years, you will see the same names as those who were doing it for the fifty years before that. Schools like Notre Dame, Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas, Ohio St, USC and the like.

    You can call someone "optimistic" if they think State or Carolina could ever achieve that. The word I'd use is "nuts". :)

  • Last Word Nov 30, 2012
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    Historically when you talk about schools with a winning football program, names like Oklahoma, Alabama, Ohio St, even Penn State (before Sanduskys tarholing of the program) would inevitably come up in the conversation. I think Yow wants to create a program that reaches beyond the ACC. Will we ever be a USC, Michigan or Notre Dame type program? Who knows, but I am hopeful for better,just like I was with Amato, Obrian, and will be for (insert new coach here).

  • Unc r Hypocrits Nov 30, 2012
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    Hasn't VT been that consistent until this year? Seems they have won 9-10 games every year for some time.

  • VT1994Hokie Nov 30, 2012
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    ^^^The great teams that recruit every year on a consistent basis are upwards most times. These programs have a solid coaching staff, and they have huge dollars to spend on the best facilities. And, they have sold out stadiums, and the fans expect a winner every year. Bottom line. Win or get fired. Look at Auburn, Tenn, State, and at least 6 others and counting.

  • hovis Nov 30, 2012
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    Should be noted that talent will put you in the preseason top 25 every year but the play often takes some of those teams out. Being top 25 in the final poll often would be hard.

  • VT1994Hokie Nov 30, 2012
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    I went to my dictionary and looked up the word. mrwufabc hit it.

    I went back and forth two times. No problem Ken. It's easy to do, as I have missed spellings several times. By definition it is repeated on a regular basis. Winning consistently for several years without interruption. Maybe this is what Yow was stating. Persistent on a regular basis is what I can give in common terms.

  • hovis Nov 30, 2012
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    I would define it as a team that is in the top 25 every time the pieces that you want are in place. Mostly juniors and seniors on the lines and an experienced qb. That is the best anyone can do, really.

  • Ken D. Nov 30, 2012
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    LOL. I had it right in the text, but not the headline. I tried to edit it when I noticed, but it wouldn't let me.

    And what do you mean we couldn't spell there either? They might have schlepped us from firebase to firebase in hueys, but once we got there, we were ground pounders. :)

  • mrwufabc Nov 30, 2012
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    What is a perrenial top 25 you ask? First of all, I think you meant to spell it "perennial". That's ok, I was in the infantry. We couldn't spell there either. You want to know what a perennial top 25 team is? Take our (NC State's) basketball program since unc-CHeat BOG's destroyed it and stick it in a parallel inverse universe machine and you'll have a perennial top 25 team. Just as we were the perennial bottom dwellers of the ACC basketball for the past 20+ years, we're looking to do the inverse of that. Pretty much all Yow has to do is wake up each morning and say...., "what would Todd Turner do?" and then do the exact opposite.

  • Ken D. Nov 30, 2012
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    BTW, I thought it was interesting to note that Boston College made the top 25 more often than either Clemson or Notre Dame. They must have had a pretty decent coach. :)

  • Ken D. Nov 30, 2012
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    If State went 9-3 on a regular basis, there are more than a few people you wouldn't be able to peel off the ceiling. :)

  • Ken D. Nov 30, 2012
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    My bad. You also missed Oklahoma State and Ohio State which made the list 7 and 8 times, respectively. But Penn State and Stanford didn't make the cut.

    Of course, that's only the most recent ten year period. A couple of schools that we think of as "perennial" are kind of new - like Oregon, Stanford, Oklahoma State and Va Tech. Their prior histories are much spottier. Time will tell if they can sustain excellence, or if their star just shone brightly because of one coach or a few star players.

  • Unc r Hypocrits Nov 30, 2012
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    I agree with the record you stated. 9-3 would probably be the standard. If State went 9-3 or better on a consistent basis, I'd be a happy Wolfpacker!

    I know I missed on the list of perennial powers, but, those teams came to mind because of their rich histories, if not recent successes. :)

  • UNC - The Fagship Nov 30, 2012
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    And how many of those coaches were still employed after those hiccups? I know the coaches at Notre Dame, Michigan, FSU, Clemson, and Nebraska got run out on a rail.

  • Ken D. Nov 30, 2012
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    Those are good programs. You missed Boise State, which has made the top 25 in the final BCS rankings 9 of the past 10 seasons.

    However, 7 of the programs you listed failed to achieve your standard of no more than 3 hiccups every ten years. Some big names. Alabama, Michigan, Nebraska, Oregon, Florida State, Notre Dame and Clemson.

    For a school like State, in the ACC, to make the top 25, you probably have to go 9-3. If you're in one of the power conferences you can do it at 8-4. Your best bet is to be in a minor conference like Boise State. It may take you 10 wins there to make it, but those wins are a lot easier to come by.

  • Unc r Hypocrits Nov 30, 2012
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    Bama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Fl. St., Clemson, Texas, Oregon, Stanford, USC, Notre Dame, Penn St., Michigan, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Va. Tech, Oklahoma. I'm sure I missed several. That's all I got off the top of my head.

    No more than 3 hiccups every 10 years, IMHWPO. Of course, we know there are programs right now that wouldn't keep their coach if they consistently lost 2 or more games every year. THAT is a challenging goal, by anyone's standards.

  • Ken D. Nov 30, 2012
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    That's a pretty challenging goal. How many teams do you think are there now? Are two hiccups every ten years OK? Three?

  • duane11 Nov 30, 2012
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    sounds good

  • Unc r Hypocrits Nov 30, 2012
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    Ken, I define it as being in the Top 25 EVERY year, aspiring to get into the Top 10. I think DY defines it the same, but, I do agree with Dreamchaser that you may have an occassional hiccup. My definition means you are in the Top 25 enough that it is expected to see you listed there at the beginning of every year, and you expect to be a part of that elite group of programs.

  • UNC - The Fagship Nov 30, 2012
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    Thank you captain obvious.

  • still heelman1973 Nov 30, 2012
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    I've run into that, too. I think it somehow ignores the 1 he has stuck between the f and the a.

  • UNC - The Fagship Nov 30, 2012
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    You aren't the first person to have encountered that. Not sure why.

  • Ken D. Nov 30, 2012
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    When I tried to post my response, the Autocensor 2000 apparently found the word "flag" in his screen name to be offensive. WTH?

  • still heelman1973 Nov 30, 2012
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    He does that frequently. I believe he thinks we can't see the time stamp.

  • Ken D. Nov 30, 2012
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    I believe you edited the original post to which heelman responded. No matter, it wasn't on topic anyway.

  • Ken D. Nov 30, 2012
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    Do you mean it's like pornography - we can't define it, but we know it when we see it?

    To me, DY has articulated a very fuzzy goal. In my experience, goals that aren't clear are rarely achieved.

  • UNC - The Fagship Nov 30, 2012
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    ORLY?

  • still heelman1973 Nov 30, 2012
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    Well, they were a little late. He was fired last year.

  • UNC - The Fagship Nov 30, 2012
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    I know that after lowly Georgia Tech hung 68 points on you guys that people were e-mailing the dead man walking (Thorpe) asking for hat's DC to be fired.

  • 903 mens national championships Nov 30, 2012
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    I'd define it as a team that recruits at a level that keeps their talent in the Top 25 programs in the country every year. It doesn't mean you have to have a Top 25 class every year, but it means you have the talent on your roster to say you have one of the top 25 rosters in the country at any given time.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Nov 30, 2012
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    Ken, perennial football powers are not "powers" every year. But we all know what that means, though.

  • PacknoPride Nov 30, 2012
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    I know after the loss to Carolina PnP was asking for PnP members to send 5000 emails to her to fire Toby.

  • Dreamchaser Nov 30, 2012
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    I think by perennial she means every year with the possible misstep here and there. You may not make it every year but people expect you to because you have a tradition of being that good so many times before.

  • still heelman1973 Nov 30, 2012
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    91W-HAT-EVER

  • Hans Nov 30, 2012
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    Email her like the lunatic fringe does.

  • Ken D. Nov 30, 2012
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    I don't have her number. :)

  • UNC - The Fagship Nov 30, 2012
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    Why not ask her?

  • Ken D. Nov 30, 2012
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    Debbie Yow has expressed that her goal is for State to become a perennial top 25 team in football. What, exactly, does that mean?

    Literally, "perennial" means every year. No team would qualify under that standard. So how often does one have to make the top 25 to be figuratively "perennial"? Is it 8 years out of 10? Or maybe 6 out of 10?

    How would you define it, and more to the point how do you think DY will define it?

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