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Decent bowl bid for the Pack, GREAT bowl bid for NIU

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  • Ken D. Dec 4, 10:58 a.m.
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    Pretty sad when NIU gets a huge bowl like this one. Come on. Look at who they played. Loads of... View More

    — Posted by Hokies94

    You say the computer is whacked. I agree. But Northern Illinois was ranked higher in the human polls than it was in the computers. So which is more whacked?

    I think we have to abandon the notion that the human polls are intended to rank teams in relative order of their strength. They are not. They are simply a handicapped version of won-loss records of teams that don't play comparable schedules. Nobody accepts that a 12-0 team from the MAC is as good as a 12-0 team from the SEC. So they get a "handicap" in the voting for being in a weak league. The same is true for a 12-0 Big East team, but the handicap is smaller, and so on up the food chain.

    Over time, an individual school like Boise State can earn a smaller handicap than their conference affiliation would warrant. This leads to many cases where teams are ranked higher than they deserve by people who would agree that they don't really deserve the ranking they themselves gave.

    It's all a game. Many voters are simply trying to effect matchups that they would like to watch.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Dec 4, 10:34 a.m.
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    are State fans really riding the coattails of a MAC team? my goodness

    — Posted by sportznut628

    Not sure how you arrove at THAT conclusion.

  • Sassie Licks Penis Dec 4, 9:28 a.m.
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    MAC > cusa

    yesterday, today, tomorrow, et al....

    tough break, pansy.

    — Posted by WolfPackInTheHizzouse

    You know what's interesting? The MAC is going to be around for the foreseeable future. CUSA? Well........

  • WolfPackInTheHizzouse Dec 4, 9:18 a.m.
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    MAC > cusa

    yesterday, today, tomorrow, et al....

    tough break, pansy.

  • sportznut628 Dec 4, 9:08 a.m.
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    are State fans really riding the coattails of a MAC team? my goodness

  • hovis Dec 4, 8:55 a.m.
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    Does seem kind of bad doesn't it? If I remember correctly back then it was the number 2 bowl for... View More

    — Posted by hovis

    That is a legitimately good point; Charlie Ward was the man at FSU. He ended up being a pretty... View More

    — Posted by Wolfpackalypse Now

    As good as we were at times in those years, it was like playing the steelers when fsu came to... View More

    — Posted by hovis

    Same here man; the way FSU dominated the ACC in the 1990s, and almost the NCAA in general, I... View More

    — Posted by Wolfpackalypse Now

    I was at that game. I shamefully yelled "welcome to the acc" with everyone else. It was not only a huge win but just impossibly unexpected. I think it was the day before Halloween but the excitement level was so crazy that hollow even started that night and the party continued for two days. Pure craziness.
    I would rather watch these type if games and give the big boys our best. You can never draw that kind of enjoyment out of beating bad teams even if you get 9 or 10 wins.

  • Wolfpackalypse Now Dec 3, 11:14 p.m.
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    4th or 6th in the nation and all you got was a Gator Bowl bid? Man, I thought Rodney... View More

    — Posted by Wolfpackalypse Now

    Does seem kind of bad doesn't it? If I remember correctly back then it was the number 2 bowl for... View More

    — Posted by hovis

    That is a legitimately good point; Charlie Ward was the man at FSU. He ended up being a pretty... View More

    — Posted by Wolfpackalypse Now

    As good as we were at times in those years, it was like playing the steelers when fsu came to... View More

    — Posted by hovis

    Same here man; the way FSU dominated the ACC in the 1990s, and almost the NCAA in general, I thought I'd never live to see the day an ACC school beat them twice, and that it would be Clemson if one ever did.

    I think State's semi-regular success against FSU first started with a big-time upset in 1998 that served as a sort of "breakthrough," maybe getting into Bobby Bowden's head a little bit. The other wins have been some really good games, but largely corresponded with FSU's gradual decline from the top of the collegiate football world. Amato's familiarity with them helped lots in 2002 and 2006 (plus in 2002 we had one hell of a solid team). Russel Wilson was a beast in 2010, and the win this year was just a knock-down, drag-out with a healthy boost from Lady Luck right at the end when it counted the most. I hope State's good fortune against them continues.

    Speaking of "giant-slayings" in the ACC, I remember a really exciting 2006 win by UNC over Miami. I'll even admit that I was pulling for UNC at the end of that one - that was one hell of a game!

  • PerfectWisdom Dec 3, 11:14 p.m.
    Bench Warmer

    Hey you said never and you were wrong. That's all.

  • hovis Dec 3, 10:00 p.m.
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    If you still had a wood burning stove when Carolina finished 4th (or 6th) in the nation in 1997,... View More

    — Posted by hovis

    4th or 6th in the nation and all you got was a Gator Bowl bid? Man, I thought Rodney... View More

    — Posted by Wolfpackalypse Now

    Does seem kind of bad doesn't it? If I remember correctly back then it was the number 2 bowl for... View More

    — Posted by hovis

    That is a legitimately good point; Charlie Ward was the man at FSU. He ended up being a pretty... View More

    — Posted by Wolfpackalypse Now

    As good as we were at times in those years, it was like playing the steelers when fsu came to town. Their lines were HUGE and they did not just beat you, they hurt you. Never thought I would see the day that a team from this state beat them, ever. Their talent level never seemed to waiver from one year to the next. I think that we beat them once in 01 or 02 but the conference expansion separated the teams. State has certainly held their own against them. I wish we played them more often.

  • Wolfpackalypse Now Dec 3, 9:51 p.m.
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    Was that back when they wore leather helmets and no pads? Please continue with your history... View More

    — Posted by Wolfpackalypse Now

    If you still had a wood burning stove when Carolina finished 4th (or 6th) in the nation in 1997,... View More

    — Posted by hovis

    4th or 6th in the nation and all you got was a Gator Bowl bid? Man, I thought Rodney... View More

    — Posted by Wolfpackalypse Now

    Does seem kind of bad doesn't it? If I remember correctly back then it was the number 2 bowl for... View More

    — Posted by hovis

    That is a legitimately good point; Charlie Ward was the man at FSU. He ended up being a pretty solid NBA player too. D amn, I guess UNC did kind of get screwed there. FSU used to be REVERED back in those days; if another ACC team beat them, it was like they had beaten an NFL team or something. Now it's just another day at the office.

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