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  • Ken D. Dec 4, 2012
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    You say the computer is whacked. I agree. But Northern Illinois was ranked higher in the human polls than it was in the computers. So which is more whacked?

    I think we have to abandon the notion that the human polls are intended to rank teams in relative order of their strength. They are not. They are simply a handicapped version of won-loss records of teams that don't play comparable schedules. Nobody accepts that a 12-0 team from the MAC is as good as a 12-0 team from the SEC. So they get a "handicap" in the voting for being in a weak league. The same is true for a 12-0 Big East team, but the handicap is smaller, and so on up the food chain.

    Over time, an individual school like Boise State can earn a smaller handicap than their conference affiliation would warrant. This leads to many cases where teams are ranked higher than they deserve by people who would agree that they don't really deserve the ranking they themselves gave.

    It's all a game. Many voters are simply trying to effect matchups that they would like to watch.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Dec 4, 2012
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    Not sure how you arrove at THAT conclusion.

  • Sassie Licks Penis Dec 4, 2012
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    You know what's interesting? The MAC is going to be around for the foreseeable future. CUSA? Well........

  • WolfPackInTheHizzouse Dec 4, 2012
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    MAC > cusa

    yesterday, today, tomorrow, et al....

    tough break, pansy.

  • sportznut628 Dec 4, 2012
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    are State fans really riding the coattails of a MAC team? my goodness

  • hovis Dec 4, 2012
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    I was at that game. I shamefully yelled "welcome to the acc" with everyone else. It was not only a huge win but just impossibly unexpected. I think it was the day before Halloween but the excitement level was so crazy that hollow even started that night and the party continued for two days. Pure craziness.
    I would rather watch these type if games and give the big boys our best. You can never draw that kind of enjoyment out of beating bad teams even if you get 9 or 10 wins.

  • Wolfpackalypse Now Dec 3, 2012
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    Same here man; the way FSU dominated the ACC in the 1990s, and almost the NCAA in general, I thought I'd never live to see the day an ACC school beat them twice, and that it would be Clemson if one ever did.

    I think State's semi-regular success against FSU first started with a big-time upset in 1998 that served as a sort of "breakthrough," maybe getting into Bobby Bowden's head a little bit. The other wins have been some really good games, but largely corresponded with FSU's gradual decline from the top of the collegiate football world. Amato's familiarity with them helped lots in 2002 and 2006 (plus in 2002 we had one hell of a solid team). Russel Wilson was a beast in 2010, and the win this year was just a knock-down, drag-out with a healthy boost from Lady Luck right at the end when it counted the most. I hope State's good fortune against them continues.

    Speaking of "giant-slayings" in the ACC, I remember a really exciting 2006 win by UNC over Miami. I'll even admit that I was pulling for UNC at the end of that one - that was one hell of a game!

  • PerfectWisdom Dec 3, 2012
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    Hey you said never and you were wrong. That's all.

  • hovis Dec 3, 2012
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    As good as we were at times in those years, it was like playing the steelers when fsu came to town. Their lines were HUGE and they did not just beat you, they hurt you. Never thought I would see the day that a team from this state beat them, ever. Their talent level never seemed to waiver from one year to the next. I think that we beat them once in 01 or 02 but the conference expansion separated the teams. State has certainly held their own against them. I wish we played them more often.

  • Wolfpackalypse Now Dec 3, 2012
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    That is a legitimately good point; Charlie Ward was the man at FSU. He ended up being a pretty solid NBA player too. D amn, I guess UNC did kind of get screwed there. FSU used to be REVERED back in those days; if another ACC team beat them, it was like they had beaten an NFL team or something. Now it's just another day at the office.

  • hovis Dec 3, 2012
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    Does seem kind of bad doesn't it? If I remember correctly back then it was the number 2 bowl for the acc and that was really the best anyone could do when Florida State had Charlie Ward. He was unreal.

  • Wolfpackalypse Now Dec 3, 2012
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    4th or 6th in the nation and all you got was a Gator Bowl bid? Man, I thought Rodney Dangerfield "got no respect" - he had nothing on Kerlina football!

  • Wolfpackalypse Now Dec 3, 2012
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    So, I actually decided to do the research and take a look at these "major" bowl games UNC has played in. I do see they lost to Georgia in the 1947 Sugar Bowl, and they lost to Oklahoma in the 1949 Sugar Bowl - well, woopity-doo! Those two losses are nothing short of shining beacons of excellence in the history of collegiate football. We've never lost a Sugar Bowl, so I guess you've got us there!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Tar_Heels_football

    Beyond those two games, I see a bunch of Peach, Gator, and Liberty Bowl appearances, which is quite similar to NCSU's bowl game history. However, unlike your big brother university to the east, UNC has a losing bowl record of 13-16, while NCSU has a winning bowl record of 14-11-1. Pretty shortly, we'll be adding another win to that record. I hope all you Terd Hole fans and football players/staff enjoy watching it on TV while you're sitting at home; it should be a good game.

  • hovis Dec 3, 2012
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    If you still had a wood burning stove when Carolina finished 4th (or 6th) in the nation in 1997, your trailer must be a really early model!!

  • Sassie Licks Penis Dec 3, 2012
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NC_State_Wolfpack_football#Bowl_games

    Suck on deez ones, little girl

  • Wolfpackalypse Now Dec 3, 2012
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    Was that back when they wore leather helmets and no pads? Please continue with your history lesson. Do you have any stories about how you could buy tickets to see this alleged "powerhouse" Kerlina football team for a nickel?

    Fact: the last time Kerlina football was worth a sh!t, most people had wood-burning stoves in their houses.

  • Banned by Sissies Dec 3, 2012
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    *LAUGH* at somebody to ashamed to answer an easy question. ROFL!

  • Sassie Licks Penis Dec 3, 2012
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    *sigh* for somebody who claims to have perfect wisdom, you sure are ignorant. ROFL!

  • PerfectWisdom Dec 3, 2012
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    Hey Wolfpackalypse. How much you want to bet. Since you said EVER, The Carolina Tarheels have played in 2 Cotton Bowls and 1 Sugar Bowl. Back when there were few bowls played and few teams got to go. So how many major bowls have your wolfpeckers been too? I'd bet that was NEVER!

  • VT1994Hokie Dec 3, 2012
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    Pretty sad when NIU gets a huge bowl like this one. Come on. Look at who they played. Loads of teams more deserving. The computer is whacked. It takes some common sense to get it right. This is what hurts the most. Great teams work too hard to be given a slap like this one.

  • Sassie Licks Penis Dec 3, 2012
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    And you think we care why, Mr. Hiney Hurt?

  • Banned by Sissies Dec 3, 2012
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    FSU 65 - NIU 8

  • Chapel Hail Dec 3, 2012
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    .... I know that UNC hasn't won an ACC Championship in football since 1980, kind of cool that karma bit them in the tail this season, yes, you see cheaters shouldn't ever win anything of true merit.

  • jmcdow2792 Dec 3, 2012
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    I would have rather had a Belk Bowl bid so at least we could have another home game. Not sure I want to travel to Nashville on New Years Eve. Bet there are others that feel the same. Orlando would have been better, or Atlanta. oh well. Or as our UNC freinds say, old well.

  • Metta World Biff Dec 3, 2012
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    ^^^ Besides, I didn't really look into the details but off the top of my head are there any schools that have had their current coach very long? Of the blue chip programs I can only think of LSU/Les Miles (8 ish years), Oklahoma/Bob Stoops (12 ish years), and Texas/Mack Brown (15 ish years) that have had their current coach for a significant period. Anybody else at these so-called programs that coaches supposedly swoon to been around very long?

  • Metta World Biff Dec 3, 2012
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    It's ok to be a stepping stone. If your coach takes flight to a "better" program then that means you are winning.

  • Wolfpackalypse Now Dec 3, 2012
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    Same as TB, I completely agree. There is always a bigger, better job out there. If you hit the coaching "ceiling" in college, there's always a leap to the NFL (which seems to disastrous more often than not, as of late).

  • Unc r Hypocrits Dec 3, 2012
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    I totally agree re State may be his stepping stone. As Ken pointed out recently, other than Clemson and Fla. St., all other ACC schools appear to be stepping stones for really good coaches. Such is the way life evolves, I suppose. $$$s trumps loyalty.

  • Tarheel7074 Dec 2, 2012
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    LOL....you don't have to be old to look up the bowl participation records online, if you know how to do that. Personally, I think the Doern hire is a good one, but let's not give him sainthood yet....because he has yet to win a game in the ACC. But the verbage about NCSU being his last coaching job is total BS if he averages more than 8 wins over the next three years....just look at his resume...he is job skipping all over the place..and NCSU will be just another stepping stone to a bigger stage (and yes, the same may be said about Fedora, too). Remember, Doern is just 40 yrs old.

  • still heelman1973 Dec 2, 2012
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    Here's a time they didn't completely suck at football. Enjoy!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gQ7tVlMruo

  • Wolfpackalypse Now Dec 2, 2012
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    I suppose you do have a point about my youth and ignorance. I'm not part of the "greatest generation" that lived through the Great Depression and/or WWII, so I've never seen Kerlina get anything but a middle-of-the-road bowl bid (and even more rarely seen them win one). Thanks for the educational opportunity, and possibly for your service in WWI, WWII, or the Korean War, since you may be old enough to remember firsthand a time when Kerlina didn't completely suck at football.

  • Tarheel7074 Dec 2, 2012
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    If you watched the Bowl Selection show on ESPN tonight..all the analysts, including a former state college coach, were all unanimous in saying that NIU had no business getting this bowl bid (in other words, they ain't no Georgia, Oklahoma, etc...all of whom got knocked out of a top shelf bowl)...fact is NIU lost to Iowa, the 2nd worst team in the BIG 10 this year...and NIU got this bowl bid due only to a quirk in the BCS rules...not on the strength of their record. And your last comment shows either your relative youth and/or ignorance of college bowl participant history (if you care to improve on your history of the bowl games, check it out, otherwise, you are just making yourself appear uninformed at best.

  • Wolfpackalypse Now Dec 2, 2012
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    NCSU is going to have a good matchup with Vanderbilt in the Music City Bowl. It should be fun to watch.
    http://www.wralsportsfan.com/duke-to-play-in-belk-bowl-nc-state-in-music-city-/11836373/

    As for the "second rate" coach we just picked up, according to ignorant Terd Hole fans, his team just earned a BCS bid to the Orange Bowl vs. FSU. Is that a better bowl game than Orange County Remedial College has ever played in? I'm willing to bet so.
    http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8702724/bcs-bowl-schedule-northern-illinois-huskies-earn-orange-bowl-bid

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