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  • kato_karma.v4 Dec 31, 2012
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    wolffies are notorious for straying (deflecting) from the topic.

  • Tarheel7074 Dec 31, 2012
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    Hmm..last time I looked, this topic was about football and Wilson. Last time I looked at the records, Dean Smith NEVER coached football or had a football "system". Surely with all of your posts, you can do better...than this irrelevant and substance-lacking comment.

  • Banned by Sissies Dec 31, 2012
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    Link? I don't play the childish "link?" game. Boy.

  • Wolfpackindahizzy4shizzy Dec 30, 2012
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    Link???

    Lie much, pansy nation???

  • Banned by Sissies Dec 30, 2012
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    LOL saw him the other day say "Russel Wilson... University of Wisconsin in a pregame intro. He is ashamed, like you.

  • kato_karma.v4 Dec 30, 2012
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    Now phen-phen -- that is about as ridiculous as kicking a 4th-year starter, All-ACC, unequivocal team leader and university ambassador off your football team.

    Oh wait...

  • Fenrir Dec 30, 2012
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    why don't we take this rediculous conversation of assumptions in a totally different direction? (.... chimes.... dream sequence begings) IF russell had attended unc instead of state they would have won a national championship, or at a minimum the acc. because he's a class act and a man of integrity he refused to participate in the acedemic fraud at the flag ship. all the athelets see the error of their way and started to actually attend classes, do their own class work, and park where their suppose to. butch davis isn't fired and take the head coaching job at lsu. soon after world hunger comes to an end, and gas prices drop to 27 cent a gallon.

  • Toddler10-21 Dec 30, 2012
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    What else would you expect coming from a class guy like Russell Wilson? Now that my steelers are out of the playoffs. GO SEAHAWKS!!!

  • All ACC Fan Dec 30, 2012
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    Kato, the Red Rager Wolfers are sticking their heads in the sand on this one. Anybody with any common sense would understand your information is correct however even though he was fired, the wolfers never want to admit they even "possible" could be wrong about anything. They think they know it all!!! And with their athletic programs past if they were smart they would be Tarheels. (wait a minute, they also are dookies, ABC)

  • Unc r Hypocrits Dec 30, 2012
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    ^COULD have. Not DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE. In other words, it MAY have. We will never know for sure either way. I really like the way you post your opinions as if they were facts. SMH

    Edit: "It worked out for everyone but O'Brien....but not because of how he handled the quarterback situation."

  • kato_karma.v4 Dec 30, 2012
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    kato's logic is the same as it was almost 2 seasons ago...and it aligns with Luke Decock's:

    "One big ten-win season with Wilson in 2011 (it's hard, althought not impossible, to imagine N.C. State losing both tof those early games to Wake Forest and Cincinnati with Wilson under center) could have cemented O'Briens position no matter what happened in 2012."

    TOBy gambled by kicking RW to the curb -- and lost.

  • Unc r Hypocrits Dec 30, 2012
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    After 1 more year with RW, what QB was going to save TOB's job THIS year? Nobody knows if this season would have been worse with a first-time starter or not. Using your logic, it would have been much worse, and TOB would have been fired for a losing season.

  • kato_karma.v4 Dec 30, 2012
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    RW would have gotten a shot to prove himself at the pro-level regardless of where he finished his collegiate career.

    MG would have put up decent numbers his last 2 years of college regardless of where he finished his collegiate career.

    The point is that things did not turn out so well for the decision-maker. TOBy had viable options but did not go with on that would have him still employed at Western Blvd. U...

    "One big ten-win season with Wilson in 2011 (it's hard, althought not impossible, to imagine N.C. State losing both tof those early games to Wake Forest and Cincinnati with Wilson under center) could have cemented O'Briens position no matter what happened in 2012."

    The real loser(s), the poor wolpfack fans missed out on a season for all seasons behind the reigns of a 4th year starting QB and legit Heisman candidate.

  • Unc r Hypocrits Dec 30, 2012
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    MGs 2 years as QB was better numbers than RWs last 2 years as QB. More yardage. More TDs. One more win and one less loss. So, what's your point?

  • The1 Dec 30, 2012
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    Yes, it was pure coaching genius!

  • zanerx Dec 30, 2012
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    Luke is such a fountain of rational thought ... I guess all coaches with Heisman-contending QBs should tell them to transfer their final year because there's a not-quite-as-good QB on the bench who will be there for two more years. Now we know.

  • Unc r Hypocrits Dec 30, 2012
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    You conveniently forgot this part of Luke's article: "It worked out for everyone but O'Brien, who lost his job in November - but not because of how he handled the quarterback situation. With the benefit of hindsight, O'Brien had few options....The coach was going to lose one quarterback. He could have Wilson for one year - albeit a potential Heisman Trophy campaign - or turn the keys over to Glennon for two more years. O'Brien took the long-term view."

  • Unc r Hypocrits Dec 30, 2012
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    Yow expected consistency AND more Ws this past season (as was expected by practically everyone). THAT game showed that was not going to happen. Personally, I think Yow was looking for a reason to move forward and replace TOB. The Maryland game gave her the ammo she needed. The powers that be knew what was coming, no matter what happened after that game. I've learned a lot over the past couple weeks. It WAS the Maryland game.

  • BattlingBishop 5 Dec 30, 2012
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    "Hint: mediocrity would be an over-statement."

    Doesn't that describe D-1 football in NC as a whole? Not much to talk about in the big scheme. NC has been a hoops state for as long as I can remember, kato. Just an fyi....BB5 isn't a kato hater/doubter (for obvious reasons) but no individual player deserves his own set of rules. Luke D (can't even post his name) has his opinion, as do others, but TOB had some serious road issues...no matter who his QB was. And let's not forget, RW posted a losing record during 2 of the 3 seasons he was behind center at State. I don't have a dog in the fight but we'll just have to agree to disagree as it's water under the bridge. IMHO, TOB lost his job due to his inability to win on the road & get passed the 7/8 W mark (one time). State fans would know more about that than me. Moving on.

  • kato_karma.v4 Dec 30, 2012
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    Interesting to note (for the kato haters/doubters) is this morning's N&O article by Luke Decock..."One big ten-win season with Wilson in 2011 (it's hard, althought not impossible, to imagine N.C. State losing both tof those early games to Wake Forest and Cincinnati with Wilson under center) could have cemented O'Briens position no matter what happened in 2012.

    And wrt Wolpfact bowl performance chest-thumping, it would be appropriate to understand what the opposing teams came into these contests ranked. For context (relevance) sake, let's give duhhh the opportunity to share these rankings...say for the 5 (or 6) bowls that TOBy is tied to. Hint: mediocrity would be an over-statement.

  • duane11 Dec 30, 2012
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    and thats prolly why you guys like to do that lil stunt at the bars....next time this comes up, just remember what uniform he was wearing when he kicked your teams azzzz all over the field, and that will tell you all you need to know, and all you're trying to forget in them there bars

  • Banned by Sissies Dec 29, 2012
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    And that's probably why it brings such a predictable and humorous response from the Fudge. lol

  • All ACC Fan Dec 29, 2012
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    Yeah, right. It sounded like the rantings of a mow-ron wolfer off his rocker that has no sense of reality at all. Nice that you read all those facts and I doubt very much you have even attended a state game the way you discuss the strategy for TOB and for MG. You are crazy. You and every other fan know the reason he is gone is the tail whipping UNC put on those girls in Kenan. And yes I really was there and screaming as all the wolfer fans around the 30 yard line with me were a crying. Are you going to the bowl game....NOT. Why = You know they will be blown out.
    Tickets are only $10 and state kollege is giving them away now with free transportation and $10 for lunch so even a welfare guy like yourself should be able to attend....."IF" you wanted. Poor fella!

  • duane11 Dec 29, 2012
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    i am a decision-maker, for myself...and i have not deserted my team, i will be pulling for another bowl win on monday....thanx for reading this concise dissertation, mow-ron

  • All ACC Fan Dec 29, 2012
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    "the only way YOU could let him slide" wow Duh-wayne I did not realize you were such a decision maker in state kollege athletics. You must be Duh-wayne Yow....minus the doctor title (snicker, snicker). Thanks for the desertation and it was really great that you went to a few games but really...do you think we care? Ha,ha,ha

  • BattlingBishop 5 Dec 29, 2012
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    I can see where their primary scheme remained the same but they still have different skill sets.

    RW rushed for 1,421 yards while in college - 3.2 ypc
    MG is at -266 for 2011 & 2012...clearly not a runner.

    You condition your O-line according to your QB's skill set - offfensive scheme, etc. With RW, they had the option to open things up, MG is clearly a pocket passer. I understand why TOB did what he did. It's a problem coaches don't need. Besides, going to Wisc. was the best thing RW could have done in terms of exposure. Look at him now.

  • duane11 Dec 29, 2012
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    maybe so, TB...i dont have any insider info about THE game that broke the camels back, but he was let go because of a continuing pattern, imo...i was at the very first game TOB coached at C-F..State came out flat and was losing 25-3 at half..they wound up losing 25-23, and had a rollercoaster season where they lost 5 of the first 6, then won 4 straight to get to the cusp of a bowl..then 2 blowouts to end the season, including an inexcusable 37-0 blowout in Raleigh by maryland...the next yr the rollercoaster coninued, with the Pack having to win the last 4 games to get bowl eligible..3rd yr was 5-7, and the "injury" bug...then the 9-4 yr, highlighted by another inexcusable loss to maryland, with a division title on the line(although they beat ranked wvu in the bowl)..the MG years included great wins over top 10 clemson and fsu, but duds like blowouts by fsu(34-0) and cincinnati(44-14)..they also included signature duds, like losing to last place bc in 2011, and last place uva this yr...i was at the uva game, and that was when i had seen enough...the only way i was gonna let him slide was if he won out(beat clemson and win the bowl)...i just couldnt see TOB getting the ax if he finished 9-4 with victories over fsu, clemson, and a bowl opponent..that would have put NCSU into the final top 25, and staved off Yow another year...the rollercoaster never ceased, even when their was no injury excuses...all the way from his very first game thru the uva game this year, that is what got him the walking papers, imo

  • kato_karma.v4 Dec 29, 2012
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    According to wolffie insider fatmidgetgolfer some time ago, the primary offensive scheme did not change from Wilson years to Glennon years. If you recall, Glennon even ran some of the zone read/option type plays the past 2 seasons...it is a part of that offensive scheme. In addition, Wilson was/is a pocket passer PLUS a play extender/scrambler. I.E., the offense would not have had to change much in the fall.

    Again, we are also talking about a 4th-year starter (with All-ACC credentials) familiar with the personnel...and vice-versa. One that only asked for the opportunity to compete for the starting position.

  • All ACC Fan Dec 29, 2012
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    Any total foolz could see that RW is a Mucho Grande better QB than MG could ever dream of. TOB was rediculous when he jacked up RW like he did. Wolfers can rationalize the decision till their cows (literally) come home but that was an unwarranted gift to evry one of state kolleges opponnents for the last 2 years.

  • BattlingBishop 5 Dec 29, 2012
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    "RALEIGH -- N.C. State's first spring football practice on Tuesday was notable for both who was there and who was missing.

    Star linebacker Nate Irving, who was sidelined for the entire 2009 season, was back as was offensive coordinator Dana Bible, who missed the final two games after being diagnosed with leukemia.

    But star quarterback Russell Wilson was not. Wilson is skipping practice this spring to concentrate on baseball, which leaves Mike Glennon as the only scholarship quarterback on the field.

    Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/03/10/379816/wolfpack-opens-spring-football.html#storylink=cpy" Pulled from an N&O article

    TOB wanted RW around for spring drills & that was not gonna happen once he signed his baseball contract. He was dealing with 2 QBs with different skill sets, etc. Question for you - why would you want to run one scheme in the spring, get your O-line used to blocking for a pocker passer like MG, only to switch things up later? Your offense doesn't need mixed signals, IMO. RW is a very mobile QB & Glennon isn't...no surprise there, & I doubt they're running the same schemes due to their individual abilities. Ex. - I don't see MG attempting to run that often. With RW, you can throw in running plays for him on occasion.

    Didn't really follow BC while TOB was there & don't claim to be a 'Pack Insider. However, based on what I do know, it appears TOB preferred the tall, pocket passer versus all others. We could debate the pros & cons of this all day but I think most coaches would prefer to have their key players in camp from the first day just to set the tone, especially given the pressure they are under to win games at the college level.

  • kato_karma.v4 Dec 29, 2012
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    You are correct bb -- the likelihood that RW would not have returned to Hillsborough Street for his final year of eligibility (because of baseball) were slim and none. More the reason to scratch one's head as to why TOBy took the hard line on that.

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    If only it were that easy. Something else...this would not have been an issue if MLB scouts had a clue. As good as RW is behind center, the Rockies made a mistake when they drafted him. If I remember correctly, he started less than half of State's games the year he was drafted.

  • All ACC Fan Dec 29, 2012
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    How did that work out??? Heh,heh

  • kato_karma.v4 Dec 29, 2012
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    With one arm tied behind his back.

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    If that is so, you can prove it. I'll wait patiently.

  • kato_karma.v4 Dec 29, 2012
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    Russell, with 4 years of starting experience with that offensive system and personnel, would have taken the wolffies to the promised land (double-digit wins).

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    Have to agree with TB on this one...there are no guarantees. It's fair to assume that after a 9 win season but anything can happen along the way.

  • Unc r Hypocrits Dec 29, 2012
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    Maybe. Maybe not. That's your OPINION. And, I will defend to the death your right to it. But, that's all it is. OPINION.

    Where is Western Blvd. U?

  • kato_karma.v4 Dec 29, 2012
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    That is kato's point.

    With Wilson, the wolffies would have secured double-digit wins (one of their best seasons ever) and TOBy would still be coaching at Western Blvd U.

    And herring, don't be stoopid -- athletes go to a school with the understanding that they will get a equal opportunity to compete for playing time/starting position. Sadly, Russell was not allowed to do so (kicked to the curb).

  • rherring23 Dec 29, 2012
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    Don't be so sure about nobody being that stooopid, it really looks like he is. Wilson came to State's spring game last year, thats really sticking it to State. Wilson used the phrase Pack of Badgers, very clever and making sure he mentioned the Pack also, really sticking it to the Pack. Also, State did not kick Wilson to the curb, he chose to ask for his release. Appearantly some people can be that stooopid, don't underestimate Kato.

  • Unc r Hypocrits Dec 29, 2012
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    The decision to get rid of TOB was made after the Maryland game this year, when a defensive player ran roughshod over us and only a missed FG kept us from losing to a very inept Maryland team.

    On this one, I know what I'm talking about.

  • BattlingBishop 5 Dec 29, 2012
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    ^I don't think he lost his job over that decision. He lost his job because certain people felt he had reached his max. potential...7 to 8 wins per season. They want more & 7 to 8 Ws wasn't gonna keep him around after a certain point. IMO

  • kato_karma.v4 Dec 29, 2012
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    If Wilson was wrong (selfish) for putting his pro baseball career ahead of his (then) Wolfpack team mates...

    then would Glennon had been wrong (selfish) for transferring to another university had TOBy let it be known that Wilson would be allowed to come back and compete for the starting position?

    Think about what played out, and how it played out, and who said what, and who didn't say what. I.E., TOBy actually decided to go with a player that would have put his pro football career ahead of his Wolfpack team mates had Wilson been allowed to come back.

    TOBy was the person in the decision-making position...no argument there. That said, TOBy had options...and viable ones that did not require kicking Wilson to the curb. He put his "eggs" into Glennon and this season...and ended up losing his job.

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    True...which is my point (the numbers). RW is a great QB but he did have 2 losing seasons as a starter. MG is above .500 - with that said, they both do certain things very well.

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    BB5, kato is unwavering in his opposition to MG and TOB...he wont allow logic or, even facts, keep him from his ridiculous slants of pure speculation, which HE has deemed facts...but, nice try, anyway

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    Get what you're saying, Kato, but it comes down to philosophy. I wouldn't want a kid who is attempting to play two sports (pro/college). Certain players would have issues with that, especially those who have been committed 100% from DAY 1.

  • duane11 Dec 29, 2012
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    the biggest difference is RW can hurt you with the run, but these stats are basically a wash

  • BattlingBishop 5 Dec 29, 2012
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    RW ******
    2008, 54.5 comp%, 1955 yards, 17 TDs & 1 Int, 133.9 Rat (6-7)
    2009, 59.3 comp%, 3027 yards, 31 TDs & 11 Ints, 147.8 Rat (5-7)
    2010, 58.4 comp%, 3563 yards, 28 TDs & 14 Ints, 127.5 Rat (9-4)
    (20-18)

    MG
    2011, 62.5 comp%, 3054 yards, 31 TDs & 12 Ints, 136.4 Rat (8-5)
    2012, 57.7 comp%, 3648 yards, 30 TDs & 14 Ints, 131.6 Rat (7-5) (15-10)

    It's not for players to decide what's best for the team; coaches get paid to make those decisions.

  • WolfPackInDaHouseV.15 Dec 29, 2012
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    There has been zero feedback from last year's team members that suggests they would have backed RW as their absentee leader.

    As is oft the case, it's nearly impossible to lead from afar.

    Particularly when it's 18-22 yr olds you are attempting to lead.
    And especially when those kids know full well what the QB they'd been working with is capable of.

  • kato_karma.v3 Dec 29, 2012
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    Regarding Win-Win for both RW and TOBy...simply put, it is very difficult to make that argument stand when less than 2 years later, TOBy got FIRED. I.E., he gambled on MG and lost.

    Regarding team chemistry...there has been zero feedback from any of the actual players that suggests they would have done anything other than get behind RW 100%. Keep in mind he had already proven his dedication to the team and school via 4 previous years (1 as a redshirt) of excellence on and off the field. RW's leadership qualities are SPECIAL.

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