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  • VT1994Hokie Feb 4, 2013
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    Wood can win games, and he has definitely done this when he's hitting his 3's. Then again. He can hurt State too. Depth is an issue. That's why I wrote two weeks ago that giving a few from the bench more minutes. When Leslie and Wood had foul trouble against Wake, they looked like any other team in the ACC. Howell kept them close. Lewis stepped up in Brown's absence and did a solid job last time out. One play or two from beating Miami. State has done a great recruiting job.

  • Lost and Loaded Feb 4, 2013
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    The problem with NCSU is with the players, not the coach. Everyone assumes that the starting five with tons of experience will get the job done. Trouble is they really haven't gotten the job throughout their 4 year careers.

    Sure every year they get a little better, and the hope was that this year they finally get it done - but time and again in close games they continue to make silly mistakes that should have been coached out of them years ago.

    The only veteran players that really show a marked improvement in their game are Howell and Brown - the rest pretty much play the way they did when they were freshman - totally clueless about defense.

    Even the very best offensive Carolina teams - did not survive for long in the tourney without committing to playing solid defense. When a team with the offensive weapons that State has allows teams like Wake, Clemson, UVA, and MD to stay close - shows they just won't survive come tourney time. Heck, they even allowed a inexperienced UNC team to rack up 57 points in the second half - what are they thinking? Obviously, they are not!

  • buckets112 Feb 4, 2013
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    that's exactly the thing...talent with ONLY 5-6 guys. they still need another recruiting class with quality players to shore up the bench. with such a short rotation, it will be hard for the team to overcome injuries or a bad game by one of their key guys. depth will help alleviate that. more talented players will also help on the defensive end and the 2nd half swoons we've become accustomed to seeing should go away.

    wood seems to be the team barometer, if he scores at least 12-15pts then state has a good chance of being successful. if he sucks, well....we've all seen what happens then.

  • VT1994Hokie Feb 4, 2013
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    State has talent with 5-6 guys. Their starters as as good as any in the ACC. They run the floor and pass as well as any too. They were only a few plays away from beating Miami. Gott has great assistant coaches in game time situations. Lutz is a solid coach folks. You can bet that Gott listens to him from the bench.

  • duane11 Feb 4, 2013
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    Gott is doing a great job, you fraud...its time for the players to step up...period

  • 86wolfAlumn Feb 4, 2013
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    Our coaching is killing us but as seem above we keep acting like Gottfried is doing an excellent job while costantly losing of late! Wake up!

  • VT1994Hokie Feb 4, 2013
    Sports Legend

    I agree and I also disagree with some on this one. State has the talent in the top 5 as any team in the ACC. Sidney Lowe recruited some pretty solid players. Gott has recruited well too. Lutz has his hand in this more than any other coach. State hasn't clicked in closing it down mode in some games. When they get this, they can win a bunch. The bench has already gotten stronger. Lewis played very well on Sat.

  • buckets112 Feb 4, 2013
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    i think calvin needs to tighten it up in crunch time...he's had some chances to put the game away with FTs or shots close to the basket but just can't seem to get that "closer" role quite right yet. i don't have any issues with the coaching. you can draw up the perfect play, but it still won't work if the players don't hold up their end of the bargain.

    i still think state is at least one more recruiting class away from becoming a sure fire top 25 team. 2 more classes to compete for a spot in the top 10. if brown decides to stay one more year, state will be a very tough team to beat next season.

  • duane11 Feb 4, 2013
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    ^it really is, Sid's teams had the exact same problem, no clue how to handle end-of-game strategy(not holding for last shot, not utilizing shot clock properly, etc)& and impulsive negative plays(dumb turnovers compounded by dumb fouls, fouls in backcourt, fouls beyond top of the key with other team in bonus/doublebonus situations, etc)...the thing most maddening, to me, is that these are correctable mistakes...but, the players just keep repeating them over and over when presented with the same situations, as if they are learning nothing from their "experience"

  • bichonman Feb 4, 2013
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    Shades of Sidney the last minute.

  • gamnell Feb 4, 2013
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    No State fan has called for Gottfried to be fired.

    State will find a way to win most of the games from here on out. They're not going to win out the rest of the season, but they'll win most and will be in the NCAA where anything could happen.

  • VT1994Hokie Feb 3, 2013
    Sports Legend

    Gott has done the job up there much better than others. Leslie could take them to huge wins when he get's it right. Leslie has some issues. Who knws? Wood is a winner when he's on. Then again, he hurts State too. He's slow and doesn't play defense. I would give Warren more minutes.

  • Orange County Feb 3, 2013
    Towel Boy

    No coach should ever take a a job as NC STATE basketball coach, as soon as things go bad fans call for the coach to be fired, Syndek, Lowe, and now Gotfried, face it NC STATE is not as good as advertised and thank Richard Howell because without him you would really be up the creek without a paddle, guess you thought changing CJ's name to Calvin would turn things around, your 3rd or 4th best and that will never change, guess UNC isn't doesn't so bad at all. LOL

  • Unc r Hypocrits Feb 3, 2013
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    Duane, you're arguing with the biggest troll ever. Just a FYI.

  • 86wolfAlumn Feb 3, 2013
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    Duane, defending Gottfired just like my fellow wolfpack fans did with Sidney for 4 of 5 years of losing

    Just because he is the coach does not mean we have to defend him

    Look at the losses and the talent he has to work with

    And the details on handling the closing minutes comes through practice drills where these situations are simulated over and over again. Just like a good football team practices the 2 minute offense

    It is apparent that Gottfried is not doing these simulated drills as we keep making the Bonehead plays over and over again

    If state is ever going to have a program the fans have to change first and then the program will improve quickly

    We cannot accept Close as good enough but right now that is what we do and we defend it also

  • duane11 Feb 3, 2013
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    you are no Pack fan, the problem is not the coach...i saw Gott's face when CJ made the bone-headed, senseless foul in the backcourt with miami in the double bonus late in the game, after choking the front end of a one-on-one...do you really think that Gott would instruct his players to foul miami in that situation??!?...the coach doesnt miss free throws, commit dumb fouls, commit unforced turnovers, and fail to understand the game situation...some things you should not need a coach to tell you...in the last 25 sec of the wake forest game, after another choked CJ free throw, the ball is batted out near the 3 pt line, and Wood(a senior, mind you) grabs the ball and immediately hurries a jumper, which misses...deacs get the rebound, and State has to start fouling...a coach should not have to tell a senior to hold the damm ball for the last shot, that senior should either call a time out, or hold the ball....even if he would have made the shot, that would have given the deacs a chance to win the game with the last possesion..just not sound basketball thinking...its all these little details that the Pack players, even the veterans, are failing to get a handle on, and have led to a groundhog day of close losses

  • 86wolfAlumn Feb 3, 2013
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    I agree Duane.

    But the problem is the coach. Gottfried is not teaching them how to play the closing minutes.

    State being 5-4 with the talent we have is just criminal. Any other ACC coach would be no worse than 7-2 is not undefeated.

    As fans we also need to stop being satisifed with "close" and expect to win

  • duane11 Feb 3, 2013
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    i agree, the players are repeating the same mistakes in all 4 conf losses...over and over...they break down mentally at crunch time...here is an interesting quote from Roy Williams(from an espn article), about his own team this yr...i feel this applies DIRECTLY to NCSU........Instead of more "learning experiences," he said recently, he's ready for his squad to start playing to its potential.
    "I get tired of that," he said. "The game's basketball, they have a damn scoreboard, that's what you've got to learn by.
    "Early in the season, I can understand that; early in the season, you learn. But we've played 19 or 20 games, and I'm tired of learning. I want some results." NCSU being 5-4, after beating duke AND unc, is terribly weak

  • 86wolfAlumn Feb 2, 2013
    Veteran

    Fire Gottfried

    The only solution as he is not a winner

    Chokes in the close ones and does not provide leadership to our players when they need it

  • Unc r Hypocrits Feb 2, 2013
    Sports Legend

    Hey, buddy, we were 7 down and came back to take a 5 point lead late. I thought the game was over when we were down. We showed a lot of heart and hustle today. Tyler Lewis is going to be all right, IMHWPO.

    GO PACK!!!

  • buckets112 Feb 2, 2013
    Sports Legend

    to somehow close it out in these close games. a couple of boneheaded fouls and turnovers in the last 120 secs...come on guys. 4 conf losses by a combined 7 pts...i hope they figure it out in the 2nd half of the acc season.

    i don't even know why i turned the game on after not watching the first 30mins (game time). now i have a stress headache. stupid me.

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