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  • unc70 Feb 15, 2013
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    Those wanting to change the Board membership are way to focused on enrollment head counts for regular students, particularly on undergraduate enrollments. They miss several huge parts of UNC Chapel Hill. Start with the health and medical schools (medicine, nursing, pharmacy, dentistry, public health), their continuing education programs, massive research efforts, and with UNC Hospitals involved with satellite operations across NC. Same for the other professional schools. (law, government, business (and accounting), education, social work). And lots of institutes and centers of all types.

    (State has some similar efforts, but far fewer; fewer still at other campuses.)

    I noticed the current Board has members with ties to pharmacy and to the other schools and teaching hospitals in NC, not just those in the UNC System.

  • Hans Feb 15, 2013
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    Yeah, it kept removing one of my quote tags when I posted, and finally I just said the heck with it.

  • unc70 Feb 15, 2013
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    Hans, on rereading I gather the post was by someone else over on PP. I had thought at first it was from you.

    They are probably laughing at how clueless the writer seems. They seem to have missed that the referenced section of the NC General Statutes was defining the INITIAL membership of the Board back in 1972:



    While not spelled out explicitly, the people corresponding to those descriptions were already designated informally when the legislation was enacted.

    Here is a link for the current Board members:

    http://www.northcarolina.edu/bog/members.htm

  • Hans Feb 15, 2013
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    LOL!

    That's probably because they're still too busy laughing hysterically.

  • Hans Feb 15, 2013
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    strive for the following guidelines for school affiliation:

    Five with UNC-Chapel Hill
    Five with NC State
    Two with UNC-Greensboro
    One with each remaining school
    Six with no UNC affiliation (These should come from business, industry and education) It may take two or three years to achieve reasonable balance, but that should be the goal. You may decide on a different distribution scenario, but whatever you decide, there should be an equal number from our two flagship institutions. Thank you for your consideration. I would appreciate hearing your thoughts and comments. Sincerely,

  • KT Returns Feb 15, 2013
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    Are you that mad about being stood up by blueduke4 that you're cruising pack pride?

  • Hans Feb 15, 2013
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    I sent a follow-up letter to the co-chairmen of the Senate Select Committee on UNC BOG. Below is a copy of my letter. I see no reason that the General Assembly should not begin this year bringing the BOG membership back into balance. (Thanks to LEHart for the distribution numbers for the initial BOG.)

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    Dear Senators Soucek and Tillman:

    I wrote to each of you yesterday as members of the Senate Select Committee on UNC Board of Governors regarding the imbalance of members affiliated with the various schools within the UNC system. I have read that the 1971 Higher Education Reorganization Act specified equitable distribution of the initial Board of Governors by requiring that it be made up of the following membership:

    3 from East Carolina Board of Trustees
    2 from Appalachian State BOT
    2 NCA&T BOT
    2 NC Central BOT
    2 Western Carolina BOT
    1 Elizabeth City State BOT 1 Fayetteville State BOT 1 UNC School of the Arts BOT 1 Pembroke State BOT 1 Winston Salem State BOT 16 from the Consolidated BOT representing NCSU, UNC-CH and UNC-G After a lot of searching, I have been unable to verify the above. However, I remember that there was an effort to achieve some degree of balance in the selection of BOG members. As you can see from the above, if in fact it is correct, all members of the BOG were also to be members of the BOT of their respective schools. I don't think that is true today, nor should it be. Some members, in my opinion, should be from business, industry and education and not affiliated with any UNC school. Also, four schools that are now part of the UNC system are not on the above list. I assume they were added later. Whatever balance there may have been in the beginning, it no longer exists; there is no balance today. As you select this year's nominees, I request that you make every effort to begin bringing the system into some semblance of reasonable balance. There currently are thirty-two voting members of the BOG. I suggest that you st

  • BeastOfTheHill Feb 14, 2013
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    it not so much that facts end it as it is the fact the TBK is never going to be satisified until UNC shuts down all sports operations. He thinks "they don't play on a level field" and will do anything to convince others of that.

  • unc70 Feb 14, 2013
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    Funny how facts tend to end discussion threads.

  • unc70 Feb 14, 2013
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    The GOP gained the majority in the GA in 2010. That is why the GOP controlled redistricting and why Perdue vetoed a number of bills. She tried to veto more, but with a couple of DINOs, the GOP majority was large enough to override many of the vetos. Because she was still governor, the Dems were blamed by many voters for not taking action on issues where the truth was that the Repubs were deliberately sabotaging the effectiveness of state government as part of their strategy for the election of 2012.

    BoG members are not strictly selected along party lines, but tend to reflect party along with other constituencies. The BoG has had a Republican majority since 2011.

  • blueduke4 Feb 13, 2013
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    I would think they would be reluctant to pursue any member school. No real power and basically proving their own ineptness. This problem started when we decided to put more emphasis on athletics and assumed academics were incorruptible.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 13, 2013
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    If we could keep Hans out of these adult conversations, that wouldn't be an issue.

    Hans has a Carolina point of view, but pretends to be a State fan. He just muddies the conversation whenever he chimes in.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 13, 2013
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    The BoG conspiracy is not about keeping State down. It is about them not calling for the independent investigation that is so clearly NEEDED. The conspiracy is them keeping Carolina UP, not State down. Try to keep up.

    But you Holes don't ever admit anything is wrong with your beloved Carolina, so we should have expected this from you.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 13, 2013
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    The GOP has already put board members in place? I thought they just won their seats in November. I haven't heard a word about the BoG changing since the November elections.

  • blueduke4 Feb 13, 2013
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    Give it up, the fringer lifestyle has been imprinted upon them since birth, any form of help will fall on deaf ears.

  • Hans Feb 13, 2013
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    I'm sure that's it. It can't have anything to do with the fact that there is no solid ground on which to stand in disputing the logic of unc70's posts or somehow proving the existence of this BOG conspiracy to keep State down. SMH.

  • barthc98 Feb 13, 2013
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    That is because of the way this issue was presented.... i.e. in another of Hans's "nobody on this forum is a real state fan but me" bits.

  • unc70 Feb 13, 2013
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    Seems everyone is more interested in discussing who is and is not a fan of which school, etc, than actually discussing the issue at hand.

  • KT Returns Feb 13, 2013
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    Only a slobbering drunk would post something as ridiculous as this. Glad (s)he isn't an NC State fan.

  • unc70 Feb 13, 2013
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    I am far from idealistic in this regard, in fact quite cynical. The BoG is a political group, appointed by the GA. By definition its members will be drawn from the political "class" in NC -- business leaders, lawyers, etc. The BoG is not representative in many ways. Of its 32 members, I believe 24 are white males, mostly older white males. Those interested in these fields have traditionally gone to Carolina (or Wake Forest or Davidson) for undergrad, then law or business at Carolina, Wake, UVA, or Harvard. Those who got undergrads elsewhere typically got a JD at Carolina or Wake before entering politics or government. Note that Wake and Davidson combined have a larger presence on the Board than does State, though their enrollments are tiny by comparison.

    Given that this is mostly an older group from a pool of candidates that is mostly self-selected, it reflects NC education from the 50's to 80's. The PP poster is a bit high in his count of Carolina grads and ignores that those with UNC JD's are strongly allied with other schools (NCSU, ECU, ASU), and while he has a somewhat valid point he misses the bigger picture. There is a 30-40 year time lag between enrollment changes and changes to the makeup of this and other boards. That in part is why there are no graduates from places like UNC-Charlotte yet on the board. There are grads of most, but not all the other campuses.

    I suggest that all of you go look at the membership list and credentials in this context. Don't expect the makeup of the Board to change much or very quickly. Remember that the GOP legislature is who appointed many of these current board members.

  • Hans Feb 13, 2013
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    Once again, you post something that shows you think the lunatic fringe represents "State fans". Sorry, but you don't. I don't mock "fans". I mock the lunatic fringe, and quite frankly, you deserve it. Anyone that acts like a SACy, for instance, is not going to get my "support" just because their allegiance is to State, and neither is anyone else that buys into these ridiculous conspiracies. Now, call your senators!

  • SpartanDude Feb 13, 2013
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    Thanks TB! Spartans whooped up on some wolverines last night. They showed how good they could be and that is Final Four quality right there. Spartans on top of the B1G. Even Indiana is looking up at MSU right now.
    :-D
    Go Green! Go White!

  • Unc r Hypocrits Feb 13, 2013
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    Congrats on your big W last night!

  • Unc r Hypocrits Feb 13, 2013
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    I want to see a billboard!!!

  • Unc r Hypocrits Feb 13, 2013
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    "Keep my friends close. Keep my enemies closer."

  • barthc98 Feb 13, 2013
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    I have no particular problem with the board, but I am not intimately involved with the day-to-day minutia of the boards activities.... nor is hans. But regardless of my opinion, there is nothing "fringe" about desiring more obvious representation on the part of ncsu supporters, nor would I think so if any other school expressed such desires.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 13, 2013
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    Unc70, I think your view of the BoG is idealistic at best. This is the board who, just recently, stated that they won't ever get to the bottom of this scandal, so they are not even going to try (paraphrasing).

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 13, 2013
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    You say that with a little dismay, as if you really wanted to believe Hans was a State fan.

    There is no longer a cell in my body that thinks Hans is a State fan. Not one. He's a Carolina fan posing as "the only realistic State fan" here. Problem is, being realistic could actually include the occasional positive or supportive post. Hans tries to say he does that, but it is clear he is ONLY here to mock State fans. No fan of a school (any school) lives to mock their own fans.

    Don't get caught up trying to believe Hans is for State. I did that at one time. Not any more.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 13, 2013
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    I don't know the percentages off the top of my head, but Carolina has overwhelming representation on the board. I believe there are some UNC schools that have NO representatives on the board.

    I think each school should have representation commensurate with their student populations. NC State has the largest student population of all the state schools, so they should have the most reps on the board (or at worst, the same as the next highest population school).

  • Wolfpackindahizzy4shizzy Feb 13, 2013
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    Again.

    Tis Hans, that is the only "fringer" here, for it is her, that is clearly in the minority.

    Facts-r-where-I-reside

  • SpartanDude Feb 13, 2013
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    See, this is an example where a fanatic could actually support their team. Alas, Hans does not. Hans, you make it tough for other folks around here to believe you support NC State.

  • Hans Feb 13, 2013
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    Glad I could help. I hear the response from the representatives has been so overwhelmingly positive that Yow is having "This is OUR Board of Governors" signs ordered.

  • unc70 Feb 13, 2013
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    TBK, have you looked at the current Board? Curious what you think about the current members and what you would change about it.

  • Wolfpackindahizzy4shizzy Feb 13, 2013
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    Lol

    Hansy ain't much of a State fan, but she's a darn good dog.

  • BeastOnTheHill Feb 13, 2013
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    LOL!

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 13, 2013
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    Nope. But I'm thinking about it. I'll probably just email them if I do.

    Btw, thanks for helping to spread the news. Now people other than PP posters can see this, and we have YOU to thank for that. :)

  • Hans Feb 13, 2013
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    Did you call your representatives yet, TBK?

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 13, 2013
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    What are you doing over at PackPride? Dude, you should be over at IC!

  • Hans Feb 13, 2013
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    There is nothing wrong with the board. This is just more lunatic fringer nonsense.

  • Hans Feb 13, 2013
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    Was it the "PACK PRIDE" at the top that gave it away?

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    Have you looked at the current Board at that link? What do you think? Does it look relatively balanced? If not, how would you change it?

    As I said, I think it has a reasonably broad makeup, particularly given that these are political appointees.

  • Wolfpackindahizzy4shizzy Feb 13, 2013
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    Wouldn't shock me.

    Hansy the pansy clearly isn't happy with its REAL lot in life.. Hence WHY it lies about who it is.

    Again, it's its mother I'm truly most sorry for.

    For it is she, that failed it (the pansy) the most.

  • PackisBack Feb 13, 2013
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    You are hans so stuff it troll.

  • Wolfpackindahizzy4shizzy Feb 13, 2013
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    Lol
    Link to hansy being a "he"??
    Thanks so much.

  • blueduke4 Feb 13, 2013
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    ^He is sincerely trying to give the fringers a chance to voice their opinion and you spit in his face. Very telling.

  • PackisBack Feb 13, 2013
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    This topic is a waste of space. Grow up fake lying troll!!

  • barthc98 Feb 13, 2013
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    Nope... just saying that any such board should have as one goal that the "governed" are equitably represented. It's the American way. No quotas necessary if potential biases are unmanifested.... but who gets to be the judge of that, if not the governed?

  • unc70 Feb 13, 2013
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    So, are you advocating a quota system, some kind of affirmative action??

    Mostly kidding. Seriously, if you look at the current membership, it has fairly broad representation considering the political nature of the appointees. Look closely at the membership:

    http://www.northcarolina.edu/bog/members.htm

    You need to look at "More Details" for each member. For example, Bissette is BA Wake Forest, JD UNC, MBA UVA; Dixon is BS ECU, JD UNC. Others are more complicated.

  • barthc98 Feb 13, 2013
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    Seeking equitable representation in the BOG should be the goal of ALL member institutions.... including unc. You should approve of this hans!

  • unc70 Feb 13, 2013
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    While the BOG is heavy with those with Chapel Hill ties, it is not as out of line as some of those from State decry. You get people like Burley Mitchel counted for CH because of a law degree but they are associated with other campuses (State strongly in his case). You also have people like Frank Grainger whose interests would not be clear from this simplistic enumeration. You need to look online at their resumes.

    Many of the board members have degrees from multiple institutions. Chapel Hill has more of the graduate and professional degree programs you would expect to find among members of such a board. State has felt dominated by Carolina ever since the Consolidated University was created in desperation during the Depression and Dr. Frank Porter Graham was made President of what would become the UNC System. Carolina fought and lost the closing of its School of Engineering.

    I caution all supporters of all the institutions of higher education not to repeat the follies of past squabbles. Supporters of NC State, in particular, have often played into the hands of those opposed to public higher education, and in their rush to attack Carolina have caused harm at their own schools, "shooting themselves in the foot". For example, in the early 1960's, the school rivalries were combined with the civil rights issues and the resentment over ending the Dixie Classic -- caused serious problems getting funding through the GA and saw passage of the Speaker Ban Law, which probably had more direct impact on State than on Carolina. Anti-intellectualism is still a powerful political force in NC, a dangerous one for the entire UNC System, acutely so with our current elected and appointed officials. I urge caution on all sides.

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