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  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 19, 11:12 p.m.
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    VT, do you recall any missed foul calls? I don't. When I watched the game on DVR, I was looking... View More

    — Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again01

    28 fouls called on VA Tech to 12 called on State. IMO, it makes sense because NC State is flat... View More

    — Posted by 903 mens national championships

    Exactly, there were several factors as to why VT was fouling more:

    1) State is the more talented... View More

    — Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again01

    And yet State fans rejected this logic for years when Carolina led the league in free throws.
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    — Posted by chapelthrillv2

    Try to pay attention for once... the number of free throws ALONE is not and has never been an argument for or against the officiating. It is a simpleton's argument. Someone can look at a stat sheet and point that out.

    If the fouls were valid, they were valid. In Carolina games, that's about a 50-50 proposition. Hansbrough travels (not called) and the opponent ends up fouling him. That's bad officiating. That's also not what happened with State-VT.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 19, 11:09 p.m.
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    VT, do you recall any missed foul calls? I don't. When I watched the game on DVR, I was looking... View More

    — Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again01

    28 fouls called on VA Tech to 12 called on State. IMO, it makes sense because NC State is flat... View More

    — Posted by 903 mens national championships

    Exactly, there were several factors as to why VT was fouling more:

    1) State is the more talented... View More

    — Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again01

    TBK. I agree with your 3rd point. That's all. You don't see anything unless it's your school... View More

    — Posted by Hokies94

    Dude, my first two points are EXACTLY where there were so many more foul shots. You just don't want to see it.

    But you could always list ONE foul call that was not valid? All you did was whine about the number of fouls, and that is NEVER an argument for or against the officiating.

  • chapelthrillv2 Feb 18, 10:29 p.m.
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    We shall recruit a few for next season. Maybe we'll come close to getting 43 attempts at the... View More

    — Posted by Hokies94

    VT, do you recall any missed foul calls? I don't. When I watched the game on DVR, I was looking... View More

    — Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again01

    28 fouls called on VA Tech to 12 called on State. IMO, it makes sense because NC State is flat... View More

    — Posted by 903 mens national championships

    Exactly, there were several factors as to why VT was fouling more:

    1) State is the more talented... View More

    — Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again01

    And yet State fans rejected this logic for years when Carolina led the league in free throws.

    What's the word again? Ah, yes...hypocrites.

  • Hokies94 Feb 18, 10:26 p.m.
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    We shall recruit a few for next season. Maybe we'll come close to getting 43 attempts at the... View More

    — Posted by Hokies94

    VT, do you recall any missed foul calls? I don't. When I watched the game on DVR, I was looking... View More

    — Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again01

    28 fouls called on VA Tech to 12 called on State. IMO, it makes sense because NC State is flat... View More

    — Posted by 903 mens national championships

    Exactly, there were several factors as to why VT was fouling more:

    1) State is the more talented... View More

    — Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again01

    TBK. I agree with your 3rd point. That's all. You don't see anything unless it's your school either. Little VT could have taken State out. See how close it was. I will watch how many times ANY school shoots 43-7 FT's. Heh. Bull Sugar.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 18, 6:06 p.m.
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    We shall recruit a few for next season. Maybe we'll come close to getting 43 attempts at the... View More

    — Posted by Hokies94

    VT, do you recall any missed foul calls? I don't. When I watched the game on DVR, I was looking... View More

    — Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again01

    28 fouls called on VA Tech to 12 called on State. IMO, it makes sense because NC State is flat... View More

    — Posted by 903 mens national championships

    Exactly, there were several factors as to why VT was fouling more:

    1) State is the more talented team this year. VT had to foul at times.

    2) We pounded the ball inside on just about every possession. VT shot jumpers and 3-pointers. So we had many more opportunities for fouls.

    3) VT was in foul-mode at the end of regulation and at the end of OT because they were behind.

  • 903 mens national championships Feb 18, 12:28 p.m.
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    We shall recruit a few for next season. Maybe we'll come close to getting 43 attempts at the... View More

    — Posted by Hokies94

    VT, do you recall any missed foul calls? I don't. When I watched the game on DVR, I was looking... View More

    — Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again01

    28 fouls called on VA Tech to 12 called on State. IMO, it makes sense because NC State is flat out the better team and when they are on offense, sometimes the only way to stop them is to foul them. VA Tech, on the other hand, 90% of their offense goes thru a perimeter player.

    It's just an example of two teams that play completely different strategies and the one that's more interior-oriented is the one that forces the other team to foul more, simple as that.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 18, 12:01 p.m.
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    I'm not trying to build up VT to make State seem better.

    Suuuuure you're not.

    If Scott "Brick" Wood had simply hit his free throws, then there'd... View More

    — Posted by Hans

    Did you notice when Scott was walking toward the free throw circle to shoot those last two free throws, the VT players actually hurried and huddled there inside the key. Scott continued walking and had to wait for them clear out of his way. It looked intentional (not sure if it's against the rules or not). Scott kind of rolled his eyes and you could tell he was annoyed. VT delayed him getting to the line to shoot his free throws. It was absolutely intentional. And he missed the front end.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 18, 11:58 a.m.
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    We shall recruit a few for next season. Maybe we'll come close to getting 43 attempts at the... View More

    — Posted by Hokies94

    VT, do you recall any missed foul calls? I don't. When I watched the game on DVR, I was looking for (a) if the calls were valid, and (b) were any calls missed. I watched for both teams. I didn't really see many except a few very obvious bad calls.

    Here's the way I see it. State pounded the ball inside on nearly every possession. VT fouled us a LOT in the act of shooting. So we shot a lot of free throws. VT took a lot of jump shots and 3-point attempts. They didn't pound it inside as much. So State didn't foul them as much. And a lot of those fouls that State DID commit were not in the act of shooting. So VT didn't shoot as many free throws.

    Then there was the fouling at the end of regulation and at the end of OT because VT was behind.

    And VT missed the front end of some 1-and-1's, which means they didn't get their second free throw attempt.

    The FT disparity (alone) is not evidence of anything unfair. If anything, I actually thought State should have shot a few more. CJL got hammered on the arm, and the no-call led him to get a technical for letting the ref have an earful.

  • Hans Feb 18, 11:54 a.m.
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    I'm not trying to build up VT to make State seem better.

    Suuuuure you're not.

    If Scott "Brick" Wood had simply hit his free throws, then there'd be no need for all the whiners and excuse makers to be crying about "lane violations".

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 18, 11:39 a.m.
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    Saturday evening, I watched the game on DVR since I was away from home for much of Saturday afternoon and only caught the tail end of the second half and overtime.

    After watching it without the stress of wondering if State would win, I can say that VT just played a good game. I don't think State played a bad game. It looked to me like two pretty good teams going at it out there, with the home team pulling it out.

    Sure, there were a couple of head-scratchers of calls/no-calls. But other than the few OBVIOUS bad calls, I think it was pretty well-officiated. I'm not trying to build up VT to make State seem better. But I feel like VT is better than their record, but they just haven't been able to FINISH games.

    They sure almost finished this one! I'm not sure I'd want State to play VT again.

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