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  • weakened back Feb 26, 2013
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    the bernie madoff of the acc

  • WolfPackInTheHizzy4Shizzy Feb 26, 2013
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    Lol
    Poor sassie.
    She screams for help :)

  • PacknoPride Feb 26, 2013
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    C.J. is paying the price for a choice he made to play basketball at state kollege. The lunatic Yow, and the lunatic fan base. They blame everyone for every problem that they have. In this case they are blaming C.J. for their losing. What about C.J.? Has he made a decision that he will suffer for? Probably when he gets in the NBA, and gets around some good coaches who can teach him the skill he needs, then he will be O.K. Put the blame where it belongs, Coach Gotttoblamesomeone.

  • WolfPackInTheHizzy4Shizzy Feb 26, 2013
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    ONLY when RUNNING in FEAR-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8HwU-toj2g

    #BahaahahahahahahahahhahhaaaaHansSissySlap

  • Heels2Win1982 Feb 26, 2013
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    Hansbrough had a quick first step

  • Toddler10-21 Feb 26, 2013
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    The refs let CJL get away with murder? Now thats funny coming from a Handstravel fan. Dude should be playing rugby!

  • Toddler10-21 Feb 26, 2013
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    How many walks did Handstravel get away with?

  • WolfPackInTheHizzy4Shizzy Feb 26, 2013
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    no LINK = no DICE

    tough break, pansy :)

  • Heels2Win1982 Feb 26, 2013
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    Yeah..........I understand......lololol.....he gets away with far more walks than called.

  • WolfPackInTheHizzy4Shizzy Feb 26, 2013
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    ^^^and if half of his NON walks, weren't called walks, his turnover count would be miniscule.

    CJ is simply too quick for the senior citizen eyes, the ACC has out there attempting to referee their games.

  • Heels2Win1982 Feb 25, 2013
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    If half the charges he did were called his stats would be much worse. The refs let CJ get away with murder! State has gotten the good end of the refs this year and still been falling like a rock from rankings. As long as Gott-fired is coach it will continue. I would rather have Sidney Lowe any day then Gott. At least he made his players accountable and di not kiss their ace to keep them happy like Gott!

  • WolfPackInTheHizzy4Shizzy Feb 25, 2013
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    Mi Casa es CJ's Casa....

  • VT1994Hokie Feb 25, 2013
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    He still has 4 games plus the ACC Tournament to impress some people. Which Leslie shows up?

  • VT1994Hokie Feb 25, 2013
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    Hey Duane. Read my post on page 2.

  • BeastOfTheHill Feb 25, 2013
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    Probably wondering what kind of car and jewlry to buy with the signing bonus he GOTT.

    ???

  • duane11 Feb 25, 2013
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    Ken, i think Leslie neutralizes himself with his poor decisions and lack of court awareness...he tries to force the issue too much, especially in heavy traffic, which results in turnovers and/or charging fouls...i would say most of his problems are unforced errors, not great defense...if you are bracketed by 2 or more players, SOMEONE is wide open, but i rarely see him look to pass...instead, he seems to make even worse decisions in times like this, and then looks to the refs for a bailout, instead of getting back on defense...poor decisions have little to do with his pitiful defense, however, that WOULD appear to be apathy....numerous times i have seen the opposing guard lose his man and go to the basket, while Leslie stays by his man and , literally, watches the guy make a lay-up, when he is within 5 feet of the shooter...he doesnt even make a move towards the guy as he approaches the basket...Leslie refuses to move his feet on D, and appears to enact a strategy of "let the opponent drive past you, then try to block the shot from behind", which is compounded by the "watch the player drive for the lay-up, in a stock-still position, and then slowly turn and run downcourt"...both of these strategies fail miserably

  • VT1994Hokie Feb 25, 2013
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    ^^^^ Some still care about consistency. Some don't give a darn. He can play no doubt about it. There are a load of players out there with his skills. I'll bet Coach Gott will have a few less headaches after this season.

  • 903 mens national championships Feb 25, 2013
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    CJ will shine in the NBA combine. The NBA isn't looking for success in college. They just care about potential, athleticism and good measurements (height, wingspan, etc) - all of which CJ has.

  • VT1994Hokie Feb 25, 2013
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    His stock has fallen. The reason IMHO is that his attitude holds him down. When he starts strong and is scoring, he plays well against anyone. He can out-rebound taller guys because he is so quick. I personally don't think that he's hardly ever neutralized when he has a positive attitude. He is when he shows his sunking, and lack of focus and concentration............

    He has great ability, but the NBA will not baby sit players. What do the scouts think when they see him act like this? I will say the same about any player. I'm surely not singling him out. Just an observation. That's all.

  • gamnell Feb 25, 2013
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    I agree. CJL must have a good showing in the NCAA to go in the first round. I also think some team may draft Warren based on potential. I just think he's going with this draft. He could use another year in college, but could also use a million dollars. Warren may stay if State plays terrible in the ACCT and/or the NCAAT. Maybe Gott and Lutz can convince him to stay. We don't know who is whispering in his ear.

  • Heels2Win1982 Feb 25, 2013
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    He already is a second round pick IMO! However Howell is even lower than Leslie! Warren will go in front of Leslie! Also Brown!

    Wood may be get play in Iraq....maybe

  • Ken D. Feb 25, 2013
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    This could be a factor where team expectations come into play. Some poll voters may have rated State as a championship contender expecting that Leslie's decision to return meant he was ready to carry his team. That hasn't happened, and many of those same people are now looking at Howell, who is bringing it every night, and the comparison isn't favorable to Leslie.

    CJ has improved since his freshman year, but only marginally. NBA teams are fond of drafting on potential, which CJ seemed to have in abundance two years ago. But the more time passes, the shine on that potential can dim. There is always some new talent coming along to catch the eye of scouts. They want to see upside, not ceiling.

    If State doesn't make a decent run in the tournament - at least Sweet Sixteen - Leslie drops to a second round pick, IMO.

  • gamnell Feb 25, 2013
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    And I do like CJL for the record. He is who he is, but I think he's a lollygagger by nature most of the time. Luckily for him and State, he's one talented lollygagger.

  • gamnell Feb 25, 2013
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    It's not his averages or his abilities coaches are concerned about. They know he's talented, but can he deliver? He showed Saturday that's questionable.

  • SportznutV2.0 Feb 25, 2013
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    He came back to improve his stock, that hasn't materialized so far. I think State fans should worry about Calvin abandoning team play in the post season in order to improve his stock in the draft (bad shot selections, selfish play) I think that mentality is in his DNA make up

  • Toddler10-21 Feb 25, 2013
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    I have seen CJL put up great numbers, and still get ripped! Its like he cant win. Kid just had a bad game. Plumlee also had a bad game aganist Maryland, and he got ripped. Curry was jawing at the Va. Tech fans, and players last week. If that would have been CJL he would have been called a hot dog!

  • gamnell Feb 25, 2013
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    CJL should have gone last year. Most people, including me, thought he would step up this year and dominate. He hasn't and won't. He's not changing.

    If Warren plays well in the NCAA Tourney, he won't return to State.

    Purvis will be back. He's talented, but not NBA material right now. If I were an NBA GM. I would worry about Purvis's' size.

  • WolfPackInTheHizzy4Shizzy Feb 25, 2013
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    Correct.

    Reality (his SEASON averages) suggests, he's still among the top Forwards in the country.

    :)

  • Toddler10-21 Feb 25, 2013
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    I have been defending CJL since day one. My question is, How do you not get up for UNC? It was like his mind was a thousand miles away. Dont think one game will cause your stock to fall off that much.

  • SportznutV2.0 Feb 25, 2013
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    Warren is certainly a player and a future NBA'er, and as Ken D mentions this is an extremely weak draft. Never know what goes through these kids minds, but if State makes a run in the postseason and he plays well then the watch will begin. If he is friends with CJL then he may be getting some advice to go, CJL changed his mind last year and is paying for it

  • WolfPackInTheHizzy4Shizzy Feb 25, 2013
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    Rodney Purvis will also have a long NBA caeer, but he's realizing it's not going to come easy or quickly... which is good. TJ has tasted some success, but has also seen games where he was completely lost, so hopefully he too... understands that more time is needed, to make himself as marketable as possible.

  • gamnell Feb 25, 2013
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    I hope you're right, but I'm not so sure. I've said before that I think he will have the longest career out of everybody on that team. I think he goes, especially if State pulls it together and makes a run in the NCAA tourney, which I think is possible.

  • WolfPackInTheHizzy4Shizzy Feb 25, 2013
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    Warren is not going to the draft.

    he'll come back and work his way into a lottery pick.

  • gamnell Feb 25, 2013
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    I think Leslie had been playing pretty consistent up until the UNC game. He just isn't going to come out and play with fire. It's just not him. He's not going to do it Wednesday and he won't do it in 10 years. Sure, he may play hard for 10 minutes or so and we'll see flashes of greatness, but that's it. I like the guy, but I don't have these unreasonable expectations of him. He played like garbage Saturday and at one point I thought he was being paid to lose the game. He'll probably play like he normaly does on Wednesday and score 15 - 17 points, get some rebounds, shoot 65% from the line and have 3-4 turnovers. He's generally, consistently average.

    That said, his stock probably fell a little after Saturday. My God it was bad.

    Leslie, Brown, and Warren are going to the draft. I wish Warren or Brown would stay, but I don't see it happening.

  • KT Returns Feb 25, 2013
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    I'm not sure if Gott would necessarily welcome him back depending on which players declare for the draft.

  • Ken D. Feb 25, 2013
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    This year's NBA draft has been described as the weakest in more than 20 years. This leads some analysts to suggest that many players might come out earlier than they should based on either their readiness or their potential.

    I do think Leslie's stock has fallen. I believe what some viewers described as apathy on his part against Carolina was the same thing that will give NBA teams pause. He is at his best when he is playing against true power forwards, because he is quicker than they are. Against small forwards - which is where he would have to play in the NBA - he loses the only real advantage he has. He is not a great outside shooter, and he only seems to create his own shots when he takes it to the basket. I don't think Leslie was apathetic against Carolina - I think he was neutralized.

    I have seen three State underclassmen listed in various mock drafts (Brown and Warren also). Despite the prevailing wisdom that says at least two of them will declare, I'm not ready to bet the ranch on that.

  • jacamoe Feb 25, 2013
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    Leslie's stock IMO, has to have fallen off the face of the earth. I work with disadvantaged kids with more problems than one can imagine, but this fella, I just don't get. How do you motivate the unmotivated? He has all the reasons in the world to be motivated to do his best and he chose otherwise. I am a lifelong Wolfpack fan, but I can't tell you the answer to this riddle. GO WOLFPACK!!!!!

  • WolfPackInTheHizzy4Shizzy Feb 25, 2013
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    whattafan!

  • Hans Feb 25, 2013
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    ... that he comes back to plague State for another season? What a nightmare that would be.

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