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  • StunGunn Nov 28, 7:27 a.m.
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    Hardy referred to the Panthers as a "nameless, faceless" team. LOL. The D on that "nameless, faceless" team beat his team convincingly. Kuechly played one of his best games, and loved watching him score his first TD on the first of his back-to-back INT's.

    Enjoyed reading this intelligent debate. Doesn't happen enough here.

  • bishopdiamond5 Nov 28, 8:34 a.m.
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    +1....Welcome back, Gunny! Jerry Jones and the Cowboys are getting what they deserve...it's called karma. Agree with Toddler about the Jimmy Johnson thing.

    The Panthers seem to be on a mission this season. Luke is a beast, has tremendous skills and instincts, high football IQ, closes in a hurry, plays the pass well, etc., and that's why he's the best in the business. Ealy and Short are playing good and Norman is looking like the best CB in the NFL. And TD is TD, very good and very consistent. AJ Klein has done a good job in his role also, and Coleman is doing a nice job.

    Glad to see the Big Cat let Hardy go when he did, as he should have. The dude is a cancer and it shows. Glad to see the Panthers playing well and would like to see 'em KO the Patriots in the SB.

  • StunGunn Nov 28, 11:28 a.m.
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    Well said as usual, B.

    I'm really enjoying watching the Cats play this season. Cam continues to mature and his decisions and play are improving as well.

    Josh Norman is fun to watch! I read his price tag will be more than the Panthers will ante up for and I hope that's not the case because he's worth every penny he'll demand on the market.

    I'd love to see the Panthers win the SB this year, but that will be tough. That said, they seem to be a team of destiny and week after week they find a way to win, ugly or not.

    I still read the State and Carolina forums, but don't post because it's mostly the same old same old. I was very glad to see you back because you know your sports and your intelligent posts are informative and refreshing. Glad to see Toddler back as well. Keep posting!

  • bishopdiamond5 Nov 28, 12:28 p.m.
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    Thanks, Gunny! Always enjoyed your insight as well, along with a few others. The forum has pretty much turned into a joke. An occasional jab isn't so bad, but the constant 3rd grade stuff is over the top and gets old in a hurry.

  • Toddler10-21 Nov 28, 1:07 p.m.
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    Sweet D Cotchery is did the same thing for Ben while in Pittsburgh, just a reliable 3rd down tough receiver. Whoa B the Patriots haven't made it to the bowl yet. LOL! Peyton is down, but their backup has been watching Peyton for 3 years now. Plus they have the best D in the NFL. You have got to pressure Brady. I smell a upset Sunday night.

    Hey Gunny I went to my daughters class ring ceremony last Sunday and she has only 3 more classes left. I told her that the Pack will beat UNC Saturday and UNC will beat Clemson for the title. She told me to go away. LOL!

  • bishopdiamond5 Nov 28, 1:35 p.m.
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    LOL......T, I hope you're right about the Broncos game and that could very well happen. Would really enjoy a Denver/Carolina SB, with the Panthers taking the prize. Hope it happens....nothing against the Steelers, btw. Great organization...

  • StunGunn Nov 28, 2:34 p.m.
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    Hey T!

    I can say it in this forum (I hope). As much ad I hate it (and I do!) I think your first prediction is correct. State is a matchup nightmare for my Heels. Keeping my fingers crossed the Heels ein.

    Congrats to your daughter! Can't believe she's a senior!! What are her plans after graduation? Best of luck to her!

  • Toddler10-21 Nov 28, 3:12 p.m.
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    She has applied for grad school, (UNC, Vandy, Fla. Int., and South Fla.) hope its UNC so she can stay close to home. She attended a internship at Morehouse over the summer. These past four years has flown by.

    Gunny something is telling me the Pack will pull it out today. Clemson just doesn't impress me as being the number team in the country. I just saw Chuck Nevitt. Avery friendly guy!

  • Toddler10-21 Nov 28, 3:17 p.m.
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    Much respect for the Patriots organization, but I really don't want to see them in the super bowl again. Steelers/Panthers and you know who I'm pulling for. I'm worried about us in Seattle tomorrow. Sorry Gunny! There is no team in the NFC I would like to see besides the Panthers. keep pounding Panthers!

  • StunGunn Nov 28, 9:36 p.m.
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    Your Steelers are pretty beat up, but you never know. I don't like the Pats, but they're undefeated despite all the injuries. Would love to see the Panthers win it all, but I don't think it will happen. Seattle isn't having a Seattle-like year, so hope your guys can get the win tomorrow.

    Sounds like your daughter has a good plan with lots of good schools on her list. I remember when she was a freshman at UNC! Wow! Bet you're very proud of her!

  • GT Scored on their first drive! Nov 29, 10:23 a.m.
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    He is the X factor for the receiving crew. Always making the tough catches and getting clutch first downs. I've changed his nickname from crotchery to clutchery. Great story of a guy who has made a long career in the NFL who is not a household name, especially at the receiver position. Glad to have him on the team and hope he gets a well deserved ring.

  • bishopdiamond5 Nov 29, 10:42 a.m.
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    Agree with ya about the Pats. Much respect as well and they are currently the Kings of the NFL. Is what it is. Like you, I'm tired of seeing them win all the time. lol

    Hopefully, the Panthers will be the team to replace them at the top.

  • bishopdiamond5 Nov 29, 10:50 a.m.
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    Agreed, GT! He's made some big catches for the Panthers this season and it's nice to see him being a factor. With #13 going down, as a group, they had to change their way of thinking and they did. Very nice team effort by Cotch & the rest, and nice job by Cam keeping everybody in the game.

  • StunGunn Nov 29, 5:32 p.m.
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    Agree with you guys about Cotchery. He's a veteran player and his experience has proven to be a very valuable asset to the Panthers. I also like watching Roman Harper play. Not much tread left, but his poise and experience has been a big plus this season.

    I really hope the Panthers find a way to pay Josh Norman next year. Guy is a beast and fun to watch.

  • Toddler10-21 Dec 1, 1:01 p.m.
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    Hey B you know our Peyton debates over the past. Peyton wasn't taken out of his last game because he was hurt, it was the 4 picks. 9 TD's passes and 17 picks for the year. I don't think anyone knew he had a bad foot. I heard today that it had been hurting for weeks. Really? What will Elway and the HC do when Peyton gets healthy especially if they are still winning? I really think that father time has really caught up with him just like Kobe. If he is 100% healthy what do you do? Its really hard for the great ones to say that the time has come! I think he deserves one final shot when he is healthy!

  • StunGunn Dec 1, 1:57 p.m.
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    There's been a lot of talk about the QB debate in Denver. How do you bench a legend like Manning, but how do you not put in the QB who gives you the best chance to win? I'd make a lousy GM - I'd go with my heart and put Peyton in. But then again, If I was the GM at Indy, I'd have kept him and let another team get "Luck-y". Do love seeing old man Hasselbeck going 4-0 for the Colts, though. Let's hear it for the 40-year-olds!

  • Toddler10-21 Dec 1, 3:50 p.m.
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    Hold it Gunny that 40 year old plays my Steelers Sunday night. I hear you about Peyton, but do you go with your heart and respect or do you go with who gives you the best chance to win? Troy Polamalu is bitter with the Rooney's because he felt like he was forced out. It happened also with Rod Woodson. A lot of times the older Vet's want loyalty, but at the end of the day its about winning! Everyone thought Elway was done, but he came back and won back to back super bowls. Tough decision!!!

  • StunGunn Dec 1, 6:57 p.m.
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    That will be a tough game for your Steelers, but your guys are capable of getting the win. DeAngelo Williams is having a great year for your team. He always seemed to be injured while he was at Carolina.

    Tough to bench Peyton, but Kubiack likes the way Osweiler can run his offense better.

    At the end of the day, Sir Charles was right: Father Time is undefeated. Still hate to see it for players like Peyton and Kobe.

  • bishopdiamond5 Dec 1, 7:37 p.m.
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    Gotta come clean on Peyton, T. When you & I were having our debates on Peyton, I was playing Devil's Advocate at times. He's a great regular season QB and one of the best to ever play. Peyton is still one of my favorites, but he's had issues in the playoffs, which you've pointed out. I'm with ya 100% regarding his performance come playoff time. I do think he's one of the best to ever play, just not "the greatest". That claim goes to those who won multiple SBs while playing well in the process. When #18 comes back healthy, what do ya do? I don't think he should start at this point - stats are beyond bad. If I saw his numbers w/o his name attached to them, I'd say sit him. I wasn't going for the injury stuff either when I saw his numbers.

    Had a feeling he was hanging around just to pass Favre in passing yardage. Wish he had gone out before he lost it.

  • bishopdiamond5 Dec 1, 7:42 p.m.
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    I'm a Manning fan, Gunny, but the name of the game is winning. Would hate to be the one making that decision, but #18 needs to sit going forward. For the longest time, he was one of the best. Now, he's just getting in the way, & Elway and the Broncos know it. He wanted Favre's record but he's paying a price for it.

  • bishopdiamond5 Dec 1, 7:44 p.m.
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    +1....It's all about winning. What have you done for me lately? lol

  • sweet D Dec 2, 2:15 a.m.
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    Panthers lone undefeated, going for the div title sunday!

  • StunGunn Dec 2, 8:47 a.m.
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    Good point about Peyton wanting to surpass Favre's record. It's one thing for him to pay the price, but his team shouldn't have to suffer the consequences. I believe Elway puts more importance on winning than he does allowing a legendary player finish out the season, if by doing so it hurts his team.

    Loved seeing the Broncos beat the Pats, especially with that Pats loss leaving the Panthers as the only undefeated team.

  • Toddler10-21 Dec 2, 12:48 p.m.
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    B and Gunny Peyton should be helping Denver win a super bowl by helping their backup QB anyway he can. It comes down to winning! If he is hanging around for a yardage record that's just wrong. I bet Farve would trade in that yardage record for a second ring? If he doesn't play again this year I see him trying to come back next year for another team. He should be trying to prove he can win another Super Bowl instead of going after records. Like Kobe said, I just don't have it anymore!

    Keep pounding Panthers!

    I really like Mike Tomlin, but I don't think the Steelers win another Super Bowl with Tomlin. I really hope I'm wrong. Bad calls on Sunday and the Super Bowl he did win were with Bill Cowher's players. Our corner gets killed every week, (#41 Blake) and he doesn't bench him.

  • bishopdiamond5 Dec 2, 9:27 p.m.
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    Agree with ya, Gunny. I don't see Elway putting Manning ahead of team goals, and he shouldn't.
    Nothing against the Pats but they've won their share of games/SBs.

  • bishopdiamond5 Dec 2, 9:30 p.m.
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    Agreed, T! Manning should be giving an assist to his backup at this point. He could come back next season and land on another team but his arm strength is bad. I would be surprised if he does that given the way he has played this season but time will tell.

  • StunGunn Dec 4, 8:25 a.m.
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    I hope Peyton knows when call it a day, and it looks like that day is today. He's had three neck surgeries, a very painful foot condition, and no feeling in his fingers? Hate to see great players stick around too long and become a shell of their former selves. I hope Peyton doesn't return for another season; his body is telling him to hang up the cleats, but his heart wants to keep playing. His body will win out.

    Hope the Panthers get another win against the 'Aints on Sunday.

    How about Rodgers and that Hail Mary!!! I thought they were toast when they were down 17-0 at halftime.

  • bishopdiamond5 Dec 4, 10:13 p.m.
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    Agreed 100%, Gunny! Incredible throw/play by Rodgers (both of 'em). That's not supposed to happen but that is the beauty of competing. Just a little R&R in the Motor City.

  • sweet D Dec 6, 7:47 p.m.
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    Panthers roll on!
    defense got wore out, but Cam&Cotch come thru in the clutch!

  • mittnfriends Dec 6, 9:31 p.m.

    Yesssssss!! Keep pounding!

    Wait... what year is this?

    Is this the "Why Peyton will be out of football by 2015" thread now?

  • StunGunn Dec 8, 12:03 p.m.
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    Ha ha - good one, Mitt. Yeah - Keep Pounding!!!! Sunday's Panthers/Saints game was as ugly as it gets, but they got out with the W, and Cam's throw to Cotchery was a clutch play. I had forgotten that the first Saints/Panthers match-up was also a tough competition that took a clutch INT by Josh Norman to seal the win for the Cats. I don't care about them going 16-0, I want to see them in the SB winning it all. Arizona and Seattle will be tough opponents standing between Carolina and that SB run though.

  • Toddler10-21 Dec 8, 12:52 p.m.
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    Win ugly, Win easily, Win lucky, at the end of the its called a W!! I was in a sports bar Sunday and you wouldn't believe the so called Panthers fans hating on Cam. I couldn't believe my ears. I mean these are PANTHERS fans. The things they were saying about THEIR QB was unbelievable! Did anyone see the shot he took near the goal line? Keep pounding Panthers.

  • mittnfriends Dec 8, 8:22 p.m.

    "I couldn't believe my ears. I mean these are PANTHERS fans. The things they were saying about THEIR QB was unbelievable!"

    I'm telling you, man... the ignorant/unfounded hate has been and will always be abundant for SuperCam. That's why, even when he wasn't getting the W's, I was on here trying to explain why he is an elite QB and something this league has never seen before. It's all coming together now, W's are rolling in... it doesn't matter if he wins 10 SB's... people are going to hate on him just because... A lot of people cling to his teenage mistakes made years ago, because they wanted so bad for that to define him. A lot of people cling to the notion that you need a prototypical/traditional pocket passer to be successful. A lot of people are racist(I'm not making a big deal out of it, it's just a fact) and people can't stand that the leader of their team is a hippity-hoppity black guy with a celebratory nature.

  • mittnfriends Dec 8, 8:31 p.m.


    I bet those haters were just thrilled to see Cam get popped. They probably acted like it is or will be the norm. They don't care that he had the humility to admit his mistake in taking his foot off the gas. They don't care that now opposing defenders are more likely to get trucked by him.

    Cam is my favorite football player, but even I laughed when it happened. He learned his lesson. He also shook off what would've had most QB's unable to perform at a high level and lead his team to yet another come from behind, last minute, game winning drive. He continued his tradition of dominating the 4th quarter. I'm sure you've seen the numbers and B would love to see this; top QBR in the 4th quarter at 98.1.

  • bishopdiamond5 Dec 8, 10:34 p.m.
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    You ring? lol

    Hate to admit it, but I missed Sunday's game...first miss this season due to other commitments. Had to read about it.....that 4th qtr QBR is looking good. His passing numbers have been on the rise lately & he's starting to find himself as a complete player (not that he wasn't doing impressive stuff before - it's just that his comp % has been creeping up). Didn't think he could be a 60% plus passer but that could change. He should be MVP if the season ended today. 12-0 is as good as it gets...hope it continues for them.

  • bishopdiamond5 Dec 8, 10:37 p.m.
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    A critic is a critic is a critic.....doesn't really matter when you have the numbers to back you up.
    Cam's having an MVP season and all is well in Charlotte, T.

  • bishopdiamond5 Dec 8, 10:41 p.m.
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    I kind of figured the Saints would get jacked up for the Panthers. Unfortunately, I missed this one (first miss) but glad to see the Panthers keep the streak going. Tough 3-week stretch coming up but looking good so far.

  • bishopdiamond5 Dec 9, 6:47 a.m.
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    Something else...Cam was opportunistic earlier in the season, which is to say he was making plays when he had to, and late in the game. In recent weeks, say the last 3 or 4 weeks (I'd have to check the stats), he seems to be much more consistent with his throws. I do know how he can get his comp. % up....just an opinion.

    I played 3B practically my entire career, had a "gun" for an arm, and certain coaches would always tell me to turn it loose when throwing to first. That looks good but the problem is, I had accuracy issues at times by taking that approach. Figured out on my own that I didn't need to "turn it loose" on every throw, improved my accuracy in the process, and reduced my errors because of it. My point - I would bet the farm that Cam's comp % would increase if he would take a little off his throws in certain situations. A little touch goes a long way. Different sport, same concept.

  • Toddler10-21 Dec 9, 12:50 p.m.
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    Agree with you both 1000%!! Every QB isn't a pocket passer just like every QB cant be an elite athlete like Cam. How can you want your on QB to get hurt and done for the season? Let the past stay in the past looks like he has grown from it! From what I have heard Peyton doesn't help out his back up at all or even talk to him, Is that right? I If Cam were to do that, SMH! At the end of the day team is above all else? Guess they would be 12-0 with Anderson? Now Brady is getting a pass because Gronk and Edleman are out. Cam has a good one in Olsen. A 3rd down man in Cotchery and Ginn who drops more than he catches, but the Panthers keep pounding!

  • StunGunn Dec 9, 4:35 p.m.
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    Really enjoying this discussion here - real sports talk and no garbage.

    OK - B, T, Mitt:

    That hit on Cam was awful, and I have to ask: Why didn't it get a flag???? I thought helmet to helmet hits were illegal. I didn't think you could hit a QB above the shoulders. Cam took responsibility, and others said he got laxidasical (spelling) when he was about to get into the EZ. I don't care if he was reading Sports Illustrated on his way in while sipping a Mai Tai - that looked like an illegal hit. No coach or announcer said anything, so it must be me, but why was that hit on Cam OK?

    T - I'm really surprised that so-called Panthers fans are still hating on Cam. I didn't like his sulking or some of his immature ways during his first year, but he's matured so much, has become a team player and his smile could light up Bank of America Stadium at midnight. I love his enthusiasm and love of football. I love his spirit. Cam for MVP!!!

  • Toddler10-21 Dec 9, 7:21 p.m.
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    Gunny I think if you are running the ball the helmet to helmet doesn't matter. It only matters if you are a receiver trying to catch the ball and left defenseless or a QB standing in the pocket.

  • bishopdiamond5 Dec 9, 8:34 p.m.
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    Gonna have to respectfully disagree with ya, Gunny. The reason is that Cam left the pocket, became a runner, seemed to be focusing on the DB, thought he had the TD, & slowed only to see the other guy flying in. Once he realized that, he lowered his shoulder/helmet as the defender was approaching and there was a helmet to helmet hit or contact. I thought it was a good pop and a lesson for Cam. He was on the 1-yd line as he got hit, still in the field of play, and since he was a runner and not attempting to slide, he's fair game. Saw it on you tube.....nice hit & one you don't want your QB taking very often. Plus, the defender has to be allowed the chance to keep him from scoring. Big hit but seemed legal.

  • bishopdiamond5 Dec 9, 8:36 p.m.
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    +1....Yep, T, no targeting allowed.

  • bishopdiamond5 Dec 9, 8:43 p.m.
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    ...no shots on defenseless players above the shoulders...

  • StunGunn Dec 10, 7:33 a.m.
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    Thanks, B! Appreciate the explanation. I figured it had to be a legal hit since no one protested it, and in fact, said Cam was responsible for it. Thanks!

  • StunGunn Dec 10, 8:41 a.m.
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    Thanks, T. Are the rules in college different, or is it just "defenseless" players can't be targeted?

    I'm just glad Cam is OK - that hit was brutal. Rivera got real testy when the reporters wouldn't let the concussion protocol go - it's rare to see him get so hot.

  • bishopdiamond5 Dec 11, 4:15 p.m.
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    you're welcome, Gunny


  • He Don't Play That! Dec 13, 4:59 p.m.
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    "Sorry Panther fans"
    This thread was failed from the start.
    Looks like Cam will win the MVP by 2015.

  • He Don't Play That! Dec 13, 7:01 p.m.
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    They do play like champions.

  • bishopdiamond5 Dec 16, 6:42 a.m.
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    Glad to see the Panthers playing well, but they're gonna need Cam to improve his playoff numbers if they're gonna have a shot at the SB. He's 1-2 in the playoffs, has thrown 5 TDs/5 picks, & has an 80.5 rating...needs work gong forward. Given the year he's having, the expectation is that those numbers will improve later. Nice to see his rating in the 90s this season for the first time as well. Should have MVP locked up at this point.

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G. Garcia-Lop6 6 5 77  
(26) J. Sousa2 710 6 7  
D. Dzumhur6 68 4 5  
(24) P. Kohlschrei7 2 2 4  
N. Almagro5 6 6 6  
G. Muller5 4 1   
M. Baghdatis7 6 6   
N. Mahut77 6 6   
R. Berankis64 2 1   
(32) F. Fognini5 4 3   
M. Granollers7 6 6   
(6) J. Tsonga6 6 6   
J. Struff3 4 4   
(14) R. Bautista A6 6 6   
D. Tursunov3 3 1   
R. Ram4 4 77 0  
J. Vesely6 6 65 6  
P. Lorenzi3 0 2   
C. Berlocq6 6 6   
(11) D. Ferrer6 6 6   
E. Donskoy1 2 0   
(18) K. Anderson4 2 6 5  
S. Robert6 6 1 7  
P. Mathieu6 62 2   
S. Giraldo4 77 3   
A. Seppi3 5 4   
E. Gulbis6 7 5   
(12) D. Goffin3     
G. Barrere2     
A. Zverev5 1    
P. Herbert7 0    
D. Istomin6 4 3 1  
J. Monaco3 6 6 2  
WTA Scoreboard
Tuesday, May 24
First Round
S. Crawford4 0    
T. Babos6 6    
(3) A. Kerber2 6 3   
K. Bertens6 3 6   
L. Siegemund2 2    
E. Bouchard6 6    
(26) K. Mladenovic6 6    
F. Schiavone2 4    
(8) T. Bacsinszky6 6    
S. Soler-Espi3 1    
L. Davis2 6 6   
L. Chirico6 2 8   
(29) D. Kasatkina6 4 6   
A. Friedsam1 6 3   
A. Lim3 2    
C. Giorgi6 6    
(9) V. Williams77 77    
A. Kontaveit65 64    
I. Soylu6 1 0   
V. Razzano4 6 6   
D. Gavrilova7 4 4   
M. Duque-Mari5 6 6   
(5) V. Azarenka3 78 0   
K. Knapp6 66 4   
(15) M. Keys6 6    
D. Vekic3 2    
A. Sevastova6 6    
S. Vickery2 2    
(20) J. Konta2 3    
J. Goerges6 6    
M. Puig7 6    
O. Govortsova5 3    
(28) A. Petkovic6 6    
L. Robson2 2    
I. Falconi3     
M. Barthel4     
(31) M. Niculescu2     
P. Parmentier0     
T. Pereira7 1    
K. Pliskova5 1    
(1) S. Williams5     
M. Rybarikova2     
Y. Putintseva6 2    
A. Wozniak1 1