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  • shepherdofwolves Oct 26, 2011
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    While I disagree with the OP, he failed to mention the best argument to support his case: Daunte Culpepper.

    Pro-bowler his first year as starter, two more pro bowls in the next 4 years, then got hurt and sucked it up for the next five years fading out of the league. QBs who rely on their athleticism often don't develop the other skills necessary to succeed in the league, and so once they get hurt and their athleticism doesn't come back to 100%, then can't make the same plays.

  • BlueDeviIs00 Oct 26, 2011
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    DukeBLue you are nothing more than a HATER! i dont' think Cam's arm strength, physical strength, or running ability will deteriorate any time soon. And as for your argument about Defense's learning how to play Cam, how about Cam learning how to read defenses? This kid has been nothing but great in the locker room, film study, etc. He will be a top-5 NFL QB within 2 years.

  • GhostofSmitty Oct 24, 2011
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    Right Bev, go Panthers. My worries about Cam, and I blogged with another guy about this before the draft, was not anything other than guys who are very athletic and talented, be they black or white (Tebow & Newton) are allowed to win games the way they did in High School, with their raw ability, and the college coaches don't want to upset the apple cart to fix fundamental flaws. I remember pre-draft talk about Tyrod Taylor, and how he had to change delivery and his approach to be a passing QB. Beamer is a phenomenal coach but even he can't spend 2 of a kids 4 years trying to change a style that may not be able to be changed or may have detrimental results or render the player less productive than they were with the old habits. It gets back to short term sacrifice of wins to the long term development of the player, which I don't think any college coach has the luxury of doing.

    Cam's ability to adjust to the pro game, and the reads, has many experts who were questioning him coming back and saying he is making reads and some types of throws that only Brees/Rogers/Manning can make right now, and he is a ROOKIE. After seeing Otah go down again, a 1st round pick, it's great to see Marty Hearney and company (Ron Rivera) hit a walk off grand slam home run that Jerry and the Panthers desperately needed. I was working in Charlotte pre-draft and was there the day Luck decided to not come out and it was like someone dropped a boo-bomb on the Panthers. PSLs being sold for nothing, people falling into toilets, mass hysteria. I don't know how much of a impact Ron Rivera made in draft selection but Herney's track record has not been good, but this one, with Rivera's help, has saved his job IMHTHO.

  • redistrumps Oct 23, 2011
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    Well it is hard for me to say I am with cuss and lsmtih on this one, but as cuss so accurately pointed out to me last weekend, we may pull for opposite college teams but on Sundays we are pulling for the same team. I was not wanting Cam as well because of his dad baggage, but now I am convinced.


  • GhostofSmitty Oct 23, 2011
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    I'm with you Cuss. I was not in the Cam camp at first as I wanted to see if he was the real thing. Well, he is. The Panthers got a steal with him. He is so far and away better than Vince Young it's scary. He is smart, learns fast, reads defenses very well, can throw the ball like no tomorrow, and run when needed. Steve Smith loves him and that is a huge compliment as Steve is slow to praise. Newton may end up making Luck look like a amateur as Luck is unproven in the NFL, and Cam is. Excellent win today. I love the play calling and the D showed up. Panthers have some holes and need some depth but the stadium was packed and Cam puts em in the seats. Everyone I know is talking about the Panthers.

  • yactfirst Oct 23, 2011

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    Cam. Luck still has to make it to the league. You can still wish though.

  • sharrelson Oct 22, 2011
    Towel Boy

    Let's not worry about 2015 yet, lets just play this season out first and see where we go from there. Go..... Panthers... Harrelson

  • johnniepettiford Oct 20, 2011
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    The QB's you name have little in common other than they also have the ability to run and, of course, the color of their skin. We will ignore the latter because I am sure that you are not ignorant.

    Lets look at your list.

    Vick - 9th year.
    McNabb - 13th year.
    Young - 6th year.

    a few of my own.
    Steve Young - 15 years in League. (btw, yes he was also a runner with 4,239 career rushing yds)
    Randell Cunningham - 16 year in League.

  • cussmikemeout Oct 19, 2011
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    I'm going to throw in something else. Cam is a hard worker who wants to win. You can see it in his face and attitude. I'll take him over any rookie qb in the league. Nothing in those wins has been Cams fault. You Cam haters will be proven wrong.

  • VT1994Hokie Oct 19, 2011
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    For all of the naysayers out there when he was drafted. WRONG. I have been saying before he was even drafted by Carolina that he would do the job. I doubt that any remember this one. The only flaw was his daddy. Money grubber daddy. For any that can write that he has no future in the NFL must be in Jr. High school, sniffing glue, or has not clue at all. Save it when you read the stats, and mature just a wee bit.

  • dtd1961 Oct 19, 2011

    Will somebody get that cup of HATER-AID out of his hands, poor guy. Cam is setting a goal Andrew Luck will never see in his first year.

  • caniacrbc Oct 19, 2011

    Mix some Cammy Cam juice with that Haterade.

  • Packman24 Oct 19, 2011
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    Can yoy say HATER!!! Go Panters!!!

  • bpayne812-take two Oct 19, 2011
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    The difference between Cam and Vince is upstairs. It takes a mentally tough athlete to play the QB position. Cam is tough as nails. The progression I have seen from him (mind you, with 0 off-season help) from last year, to the preseason, to now is incredible. He gets it. He will only get better in my mind because he is not a head case like Vince.

  • dukeblue82 Oct 19, 2011
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    I am not arguing that he is good this year. He is. He is a great athlete. Do you honestly think that he could play as well as he is playing now next year, against defenses like the Ravens, Steelers, or Niners? These defensive coordinators live to slow down kids like him. I understand Panther fans are excited. They should be. Let me ask you this. Whould you want Cam Newton for Andrew Luck for the next 13 years? Who, with the right situation, is going to win more Superbowls? If you say Cam, good luck with that. I don't think Cam will ever win a Superbowl, let alone multiple Superbowls. I'm telling you, just look at the history of the game. He is Vince Young all over again. He had a good rookie year too.

  • GhostofSmitty Oct 19, 2011
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    True that 22. We may need a replacement for Steve Smith and we need defensive help. Our O line is banged up. This kid is the real deal, his desire to stay in the pocket at just about all costs has sold me and he goes through his progressions. He just needs to get more accurate and up to NFL speed but he is most likely rookie of the year. Young came with alot of mental baggage and I laughed when the Raiders took Russell. Newton has proven he was worth the pick on the field, plus the guys love him. He is also 6-" taller than Vick, just a minor point yunno.

    Did you notice the stadium was full? It did not take long for the guys bailing on those PSLs to pull them back and buy tickets. There is alot of excitement around the Panthers. I say he wins a Superbowl before he turns 29, IMHTHO.

  • bpayne812-take two Oct 19, 2011
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    I know very well that we have lots of holes to fill, but saying Cam will be out of football by 2015 is a little ridiculous at the moment. The sky is the limit for that kid. But, I will gladly take another top 5 pick to get another piece of the puzzle filled.

  • tdouble232323 Oct 19, 2011
    All Star

    1-5 Panther fans trip me out with their optimism. Don't worry, you will get another top 5 pick this year to help you improve.

  • redistrumps Oct 19, 2011
    Sports Legend

    towel boy, shame on you, it is SO EVIDENT that you HOPE he isn't playing in 2015, ROFLMAO!!!!

  • jayparks0228 Oct 19, 2011

    Not a Panther fan, but why the hate on Cam?

  • wmarti Oct 19, 2011
    Sports Legend

    The panthers would be 5-1, 4-2 if they had any defence at all. No quarterback in the history of the NFL has done what he has done so far. So I'm going to have to disagree in the extreme.

  • bpayne812-take two Oct 19, 2011
    Sports Legend

    4th post= Fail

    You will get the hang of it soon enough

  • dukeblue82 Oct 19, 2011
    Towel Boy

    Cam Newton has had an excellent start to the season. He is relying on his natural skills to put his team in the best position to win (they're not winning). Anyone who watches Pro Football on a regualr basis knows that it's only a matter of time before NFL defenses catch up with Cam. You could see it Sunday against Atlanta. He got by at Auburn by being a better athlete than everyone else. He won't be able to do that in the NFL for long. I see him having a good year this year. Next year, the rest of the league will catch up and he will probably be out of football in 4 years. Look at the history of the league and QB's like Newton. Vick, McNabb, Vince Young, JAMARCUS RUSSELL (ok he won't be that bad) but without a great coaching staff (sorry Rivera) he won't have a good career. Sorry Panther fans.

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