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Caulton Tudor

Sorting through ACC tournament traffic

Posted February 12
Updated February 13

The 61st ACC men’s basketball tournament is exactly one month away, March 12-16, Greensboro Coliseum, and you can bet it’s going to be the most frantic ever.

With 15 members, there will be three games on Wednesday, 1 p.m., 3:30 p.m. and 7 p.m., but the top four seeds won’t actually play until Friday’s quarterfinals begin at noon.

Fans will find the litany of tiebreaking rules bewildering and even controversial since the varying degrees of schedule difficulty likely will wind up with one or two weaker teams tied or maybe even ahead of obviously stronger rivals in the final standings.

After Tuesday, when N.C. State’s defeated Wake Forest and Notre Dame stopped Clemson, seven teams have four, five or six wins. There’s little reason to believe the final standings on March 9 will display a lot more separation. There could be any number of teams at 10-8, 9-9 or 8-10. 

But at least for now, some of the picture is coming into fairly clear focus.
Three teams, Virginia Tech (1-10 in league play), Boston College (2-8) and Miami (2-8), are but certain to be involved in the Wednesday opening-round mix. 

If it started today, before tonight’s Duke-UNC, Boston College-Georgia Tech and Syracuse-Pitt games, those first-round pairings would be more or less set.

Virginia (15th seed) would face No. 10 Wake Forest (4-7). Boston College (No. 14) would play No. 11 Notre Dame (4-8) and No. 12 Georgia Tech (3-8) would play No. 13 Miami.

By the same token, those valuable top four seeds would be set with Syracuse (10-0), Virginia (11-1), Duke (8-3) and Pitt (8-3) all idle until Friday. 

UNC (6-4 and No. 5 entering the Duke test) would play on Thursday in the 2 p.m. second-round game against the winner of Georgia Tech and Miami. Keep in mind that Miami defeated the Tar Heels 63-57 on Jan 8 in Chapel Hill.

Late night, late night 

After Tuesday’s one-sided win, the Wolfpack improved to 6-5 and moved into a tie with Clemson for No. 6 but that’s potentially a good news/bad news situation.

With remaining games at Syracuse, Clemson (Feb.18) and Pitt (March 3), the Pack has a more difficult schedule than the Tigers. But if State could win the Feb. 18, it would have the first tiebreaker over the Tigers if the pecking order ends as it stands today. 

However, the opening game for the 6th seed is no bargain since it probably will not even begin until 9:30 (or later) on Thursday night against the winner of the Wednesday Nos. 11 versus 14 game. Then the winner of last game on Thursday gets the same tip time on Friday against the No. 3 seed. 

The 7th seed would get the 7 p.m. Thursday/Friday slots, a starting time most coaches and players find much more preferable to 9:30 in post-season settings.

New pressure points

Historically, the ACC’s Saturday semifinals have produced great sports theater and some of the most compelling games in college hoops history.

It’s likely that No. 1 regional seeds will at stake in one of the games this season, as usual. 

But in reality, the new format with its likely stable of NCAA bubble teams and/or bubble hopefuls will put more pressure on the Nos. 5 through 9 seeds in the Thursday games. Any sort of Thursday loss by those five teams could be a deal buster on the NCAA front.

The 5th seed, particularly if it’s UNC this season, probably would survive a Thursday “bad loss” but that would be about as deep as the NCAA cushion goes. A Thursday loss by the Nos. 6-9 seeds easily could result in a punched ticket to the NIT.

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  • dave437 Feb 13, 8:03 p.m.

    at this point, it looks like Tudor is going to mail in his all-ACC team with Hansbrough on the first team again....

  • GunnyGoesArrrgh Feb 13, 12:05 p.m.

    NCSU, UNC, Duke, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, UVA, Maryland, Clemson.

    8 teams.

    I miss those days,... View More

    — Posted by funnything

    Yes! I don't mind FSU as the 9th ACC team - we still had a round robin in b ball with FSU in the conference.

  • dave437 Feb 13, 9:03 a.m.

    Virginia is both the '15th seed' and one of the 'top four seeds'? Does anyone proofread Tudor's stuff?

  • jmcdow2792 Feb 13, 6:03 a.m.

    are tournament tickets same price?

    that would be a good deal with all the extra games

    — Posted by ncguy

    You likely know the answer to your question, but the additional games add to the price of the total tournament package. Would it be any other way?

  • funnything Feb 13, 1:30 a.m.

    NCSU, UNC, Duke, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, UVA, Maryland, Clemson.

    8 teams.

    I miss those days, anyone else?

  • djc21 Feb 12, 11:53 p.m.

    I recommend copy editors.

  • RD28327 Feb 12, 9:58 p.m.

    Louisville becomes the 16th team??? The league will still be at 15 teams when the Cardinals enter and Maryland leaves!

  • cjw6105 Feb 12, 9:51 p.m.

    This is no longer a real tournament but rather an endurance contest with 15 teams, many with sub-.500 ACC records.

    A frantic tourney? No college basketball tournament that I'm award of is "frantic" when the first two nights will be general admission seating. The Coliseum may not even be half full.

    The ACC should send only its top 8 teams to the ACCT. Go back to a Thursday, Friday and Saturday night format. Make the games mean more than they'll mean with 5 rounds, and give the champion and runner-up an extra day's rest before the NCAAT.

    The expanded conference will probably toughen the league a little, but will probably beat us down some too. The ACC may not have the Sweet 16 or Final Four presence this season that so many are expecting.

  • GunnyGoesArrrgh Feb 12, 6:25 p.m.

    This is getting really complicated. At some point, do we simply disqualify some of the lower... View More

    — Posted by jmcdow2792

    I hope not - all the teams deserve to play in their conference tourney; they may not have a chance to win, but they still deserve a chance to play in the tourney IMHO.

  • Toddler10-21 Feb 12, 5:57 p.m.

    Cant wait for it to be in the Garden.

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