Joe Ovies

Talking points: Tight finishes, small lineups and a lost rivalry

Posted February 17, 2013

1. After months of inconsistent play and fan frustration over Roy Williams' lineup rotation, North Carolina is suddenly the ACC team with renewed energy and intriguing potential after just two games with a new starting lineup.

Williams went small against Virginia and once again P.J. Hairston benefitted the most. The sophomore guard scored a career-high 29 points, including 6-of-12 from beyond the arc, and pulled down seven rebounds. Reggie Bullock hit a trio of 3-pointers, but really helped the Tar Heels in sharing the ball and grabbing four steals against the Cavaliers. UNC vs UVA Slideshow: Hairston leads UNC over Virginia

2. The Heels got off to a slow start against Virginia, but Williams still stuck with a tighter distribution of minutes. Only Leslie McDonald and Brice Johnson got double-digit minutes off the bench. Despite the recent success of a strategy Williams admittedly pondered of using four or five games ago, he wasn't interested in explaining why he didn't go with it sooner.

“Sometimes you guys don’t have to know everything," Williams said. “I have reasons, and those reasons will stay with me.” 

3. NC State doesn't seem all that interested in making life easy on themselves or on their fans. Feel free to send them the therapy bills at the end of the season.

The Wolfpack have been on the correct side of these coin-flip games in wins over Clemson and Virginia Tech, which is in stark contrast to last second tip-ins from Maryland and Miami earlier in conference play. But if they continue to play with fire like this, NC State is eventually going to get burned at the wrong time in March. NCSU-VT Slideshow: NC State survives Virginia Tech in OT

4. The Wolfpack went to the free throw line 43 times on Saturday afternoon, while the Hokies only took seven trips. You'd think the disparity in calls, mainly due to NC State's work in the paint, would kill some of the complaining about officials. Think again.

Jarrell Eddie committed an obvious lane violation following Erick Green's intentionally missed free throw. Eddie's tip-in sent the game to overtime. Commence the internet outrage. 

5. Tyler Lewis scored in double figures for the third time in the last four games and provided some much needed spark for the Wolfpack against Virginia Tech. Much was asked of Lewis following Lorenzo Brown's injury and the freshman has stepped up nicely. This is a huge development for Mark Gottfried, who can now use Lewis' success to push Rodney Purvis. 

Meanwhile, Richard Howell also notched his 15th double-double of the year after not practicing all week due to a foot injury. The senior has been NC State's most reliable and most important player this season.

6. However Mason Plumlee goes, so goes Duke. The main contender for ACC Player of the Year followed up a less than spectacular game against North Carolina with an invisible game against Maryland. Plumlee finished with 4 points and 3 rebounds in the loss. 

7. Maryland turned the ball over 27 times against the Blue Devils, begging them to snatch victory away. Quinn Cook made a costly mistake at the end with a reach-in with 3 seconds to go, putting Seth Allen at the line for the win. 

8. Did you enjoy that, Maryland? Cherish it, because it's highly possible y'all will never see Duke in College Park again. Let's hope the money keeps the Terps warm at night while Minnesota comes to town instead.


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  • hball57 Feb 19, 2013

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    I guess this shows your knowledge of the rules. Players who are on the FT line can enter the lane when the ball leaves the shooter's hand. The shooter can cross the FT line when the ball hits the rim. Anyone else can not enter the area between the top of the key ad the backboard until the ball hits the rim. This makes that an obvious violation.

    So perhaps one could read the rules before you so vehemently protest. Or just know the rule (I didn't have to look it up). Just a thought.

  • hball57 Feb 19, 2013

    For anyone who has played organized basketball, that was an obvious violation. The rule is clear, you can not be off the FT line and come inside the FT line before the ball touches the rim. You won't be blocked out because you are not supposed to be there. And it is correct to call it a "lane violation".

  • wolfie7873 Feb 18, 2013

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    How many people can correctly explain the infield-fly rule in baseball?
    How many people know what a 1-point safety in football is?

    By your logic, neither of these rules should be enforced. Howell's 3rd foul was garbage, the no call on the 4 (or five) step walk by Green was garbage - ACC officials are terrible. I've watched several games where NCSU wasn't playing and couldn't take it for the bad officiating. The game isn't as fun when the refs are that poor and as a result, that influential.

  • jacamoe Feb 18, 2013

    By 75Tarheel
    Posted Feb 17, 8:08 p.m.

    Rank: Bench Warmer
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    Joined: Dec, 2012
    Location: Raleigh, NC Report this post Reply with quote RE: Talking points: Tight finishes, small lineups and a lost rivalry VT lost but should have won. State won but should have lost. End of story.

    Duke lost as they should have. And " Clummsley" as POY will be a big joke. I'm thinking Miami has the POY.

    UNC won as they should have. End of story

    Your story can only end once. Wolfpack won the game. end of story. How about the walk from the top of the key. I guess we did not see that either. It's ok, as you pointed out, we complain too much. Sorry . If it happened to your team, you would b & g too. Good luck bench warmer

  • SportznutV2.0 Feb 18, 2013

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    what makes you think they are seeing anything different than what the viewer is seeing, as far as tape goes? The fact of the matter is that State's players were bamboozled, Howell went up very lazily for a rebound because he didn't realize he there was someone behind him, I have watched the play several times on watchespn.

    I think there was a LOT of discussion on here on how the refs swallow their whistles in the last few seconds - I think every triangle team has been on both ends of those calls. I watched the play a lot and it is not obvious that it was a violation - certainly not obvious enough for the ref to call.

  • fourcs Feb 18, 2013

    Yes, we State fans will continue to complain about ACC officials, just as other fan bases do, not just because of a few specific calls, but because ACC officiating stinks on a nightly basis. They routinely miss charge/block calls.
    They call fouls where there is absolutely no contact. (See two of the fouls supposedly committed against Eric Green Saturday) They fail to call fouls on obvious contact. They allow Mason Plumblee to travel every other time he crosses the lane. They tend to swallow their whistles in the finall seconds. And the list goes on, and on, and on... Three blind men could do better on most nights. (With my apologies to blind men!)

  • englandumd Feb 18, 2013

    Yes Joe, we did enjoy it very much in fact. Of course we already lost our home and home with Duke. The ACC took it away and left us with Pitt. Of course Maryland was the only founding member of the ACC that received a "rival" from one of the new additions. One we don't care the slightest about. So yes, we'll miss playing Duke and UNC most, but we'd only have seen them in College Park once every three years anyways. Money buys a good heater, we'll be fine. The old ACC died long before Maryland left it. We'll enjoy our last year in the Big East/ACC, then get ready for Indiana, Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin and the rest.

  • dmccall Feb 18, 2013

    5th Foul on Dez Wells - worst charge/block call of the season
    3rd Foul on Richard Howell - How does the inside position rebounder, not moving backward, not swinging elbows, get the foul on the guy climbing his back?

  • dmccall Feb 18, 2013

    Maryland doesn't trade Duke for Minnesota. They trade Duke and Carolina for Wisconsin, Michigan State, Ohio State, and Indiana. Their schedule gets MUCH more interesting with a move to the Big 10.

  • Ken D. Feb 18, 2013

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    My point was not that it wasn't a violation. It was. In fact, he was likely not the only player (on either side) who committed a violation on that play. My point was that it wasn't as obvious (in real time) as Ovies makes it out to be. My bigger point was that State should never have let themselves get in a position of jeopardy in the first place.




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