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  • SuperStuff Sep 26, 2013

    The point is student athletes need to get that degree. If they leave early for the NFL and it doesn't work out they need to get back in the classroom and get that degree. Don't squander your opportunity for an education when it's in front of you.

  • Hammerhead Sep 26, 2013

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    I'm a history junkie, can't get enough of it. But for me, sitting through History classes was a chore, and no way I'd even consider majoring in History or making a career out of it. Science is my bag, even a lot of my hobbies are analytical. Math and Physics were actually very intesting and fun for me, but I majored in Biology because it was my real passion, and knew it from the get-go. I write as a (paid) hobby, and much of it is history, so I still have a reason to scratch that itch. Finding a major that you like is worth the trouble. I suspect that you still enjoy engineering and architechture, form and function coupled with a bit of artistic thinking, but the analytical portion isn't for everyone.

  • Frizz Sep 26, 2013

    That it took me (and numerous others) a while to find a suitable major was never my point, and that TA was not your average student was not lost on me either. The point I was trying to make is that Chemistry, Engineering, Architecture, et al. are so difficult and require so much more than the average student is willing to give, rarely if ever do you find an "average" student in those majors.

  • YouGotThatRight Sep 25, 2013

    My roommate in college was not an athlete. He majored in and graduated with a degree in construction management. One day he told me he originally wanted to go to UNC Charlotte and major in architecture but when he saw how detailed the application was he chose construction management instead. My first thought was how the heck were you going to become an architect if you don't like detailed documents? The coaches who recruit these guys, as well as the schools who admit them without the proper educational foundation are more concerned about winning and money than they are people. How bad did Steve Spurrier hurt both times his running back blew out his knees? At the same time, the parents should encourage their kids to read rather than play sports all hours after class.

  • TSKMFs Sep 25, 2013

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    Don't waste keystrokes on a DA.
    FYC/ Undeclared/ Undecided...ALL schools have some form of this when entering college. All don't have dr. kangaroo, & fake classes, grades, & cirriculums.(AFAM)

  • Hammerhead Sep 25, 2013

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    Maybe you just weren't cut out to be an engineer in the first place.

  • scorekeep Sep 25, 2013

    Players have tons of support while in school. TA did not care enough to take advantage of the help that was available to him. He made the mistakes, no one should feel sorry for him.

  • TB from WF Sep 25, 2013

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    Excellent post, EE! The fans need to own their part in it, too.

  • Alex25 Sep 25, 2013

    Didn't Dean's players graduate at a high rate - but we now know it was a sham - ?? An AFAM-SHAM - even back then ....? Lawrence Taylor went to class .... yea, riiiight.

  • VT1994Hokie Sep 25, 2013

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    Fritz. I respect what you wrote about switching your curricula. Logan told the truth. If you go back you will see that TA wasn't an average student. Sorry, you missed the point. I changed my major 4 times in undergraduate school. I matured and found a few Masters, and a Ed.D. Being poor is no excuse for not being educated. If TA wants it, he will find a way. This is why our schools aren't much compared to the World Country's. Education is the only thing that will keep TA out of poverty for the rest of his life.

  • Tackman792000 Sep 25, 2013

    I can appreciate TA's willingness to share his story. It is difficult for some to concentrate on athletics as well as academics. I played college sports at a D2 school. Both parents were educators, so I went in with the mindset that academics was first. It's got to start at the home, middle and high schools. I have a friend whose grandson is in the 7th grade and about 6'4" and projected by doctors to be anywhere from 6'5" to 7'0". Teachers already told him he would make a lot of money playing basketball. His grandmother was mad as a wet hen when she found out! A kid that age is very impressionable by teachers! In some cases academic are stressed to athletes in high school. You have to have a certain average to play sports. It is going to be difficult to guide a student through this, but the system is so damaged, it will take a huge effort.

  • corey3rd2 Sep 25, 2013

    But Logan knows that a driven player isn't going to dare have a back up play because that mitigates the dream. How would Logan feel at the beginning of the season if a player announced in the locker room that the team wasn't going to a BCS game, but he was ready to get a 4.0 GPA anyway.

    The minute you have that back up plan, you've admitted defeat in the eyes of these kids.

  • Objective Scientist Sep 25, 2013

    Inadvertently hit SUBMIT... to finish my last post:
    Every player on the defense could simultaneously suffer a bad leg cramp and offer no opposition to the touchdown run... and the runner and his teammates would likely celebrate as if the runner dragged all 11 defense players into the end zone from the 50 yd line. Why a 7 footer with good to great coordination and jumping ability would celebrate an UNCONTESTED dunk... is beyond me! But we see such celebrations - including the infamous "stare down" toward anyone within 15 feet. I coached a bit... and I always told my players - when you score or make a great play - act like you've done it before and that you expect to do it again... don't act like the spastic couch potato who is shocked that he actually did something he thought he could/would never do! For about 95% of the celebratory behavior I see today... if I were the coach I'd bench the player for it!

  • packfan1752 Sep 25, 2013

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    You realize that AFAM is a major. FYC is for a single year, in which many students take advantage of while determining what degree they would like to work towards.

  • Objective Scientist Sep 25, 2013

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    baldchip - "celebrations" - that part of your post is a bit "off topic" for this article, but I will react to it. I AGREE! Relative to today there was a time in which athletes did not "celebrate" a good, even great play, or touchdown, or basketmade... 3-pointer or dunk or whatever. I believe we may have transitioned to celebrations after great plays produced by great effort or skill. Today... EVERYTHING is celebrated... and celebrated to the extreme! Even the most mundane touchdown is celebrated as if it were the greatest ever! Every player on the defense could simultaniously

  • NCSU84 Sep 25, 2013

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    TA was dd not live up to his potental on the field or the classroom. There's only so much one can do if the player does not put in the effort, unless they are in the AFAM program.

  • Frizz Sep 25, 2013

    Logan wrote: "And more than that, he got the cheers and the support that your average student doesn't get as he grinds his way to a degree in architecture or engineering or chemistry."

    Sorry Steve but your average student doesn't major in any of those curriculums. I spent five semesters trying to be an engineer and realized it required far more work than I could accomplish it the time given. It almost killed me. I switched to Liberal Arts where I could have a life.

  • Jewelry-EricLeak Sep 25, 2013

    Even the bogus "First Year College" program couldn't help TA at NC State. FYC is NOT any different than the AFAM scam at UNC.

  • VT1994Hokie Sep 25, 2013

    Like many high student athletes, some truly don't have much family support growing up in a poor family and living on the poverty level. I saw laods of great athletes, but couldn't handle the academics as a high school coach, and administrator.

    It's a systemic problem that begins in elementary school thru high school. Many of these kids can't read. The teachers, counselors, coaches, and mostly the parents have failed these students. If they get to the 3rd grade and they aren't reading on grade level, they are at-risk of failing from now on unless someone intervenes. This is why we have so many that can't do the University school work. Without the Sport, they fall to the way side. TA is a prime example. He needs to enroll in a Community College and gain an education, and a skill to become a productive member of society.

  • cwmllc1952 Sep 25, 2013

    College Sports should be in a class by itself. It takes kids with an ability and teaches them to hopefully make millions. Keep them out of the way of the less athletic so they can have a place to get an education. I have a friend that has 2 Electrical Engineering Degrees and cuts steel for a living. Not all stay in their College Field. Science, Math, Electronics, etc. does not pay the individual or school what sports does. Jealousy is a terrible thing and that's a fact.

  • Dubble EE Sep 25, 2013

    Seems to me it's not all the athletes fault.

    Schools fly these kids all over the country to play. No so bad in football, but look at basketball. Basketball has plenty of games during the week, with heavy travel schedules for the teams.

    Maybe it would help if the conferences didn't have member schools stretched out over 3, 4, 5, or 8 States.

    Somes states, like North Carolina, could easily have a conference within itself within the state. There are more than enough schools.

    But that wouldn't work. Then fans would start whining about not getting to see their teams play big games with other schools.

    Seems to me there's a lot more to it than the athlete alone. Jus' sayin'....

  • doser Sep 25, 2013

    Sounds like business as usual at NCSU, didn't Jimmy "V" have three players graduate in 10 years.

  • StunGunn Sep 25, 2013

    I do feel bad for people like TA. His physical skills were his ticket out of poverty, but where was an advisor or someone who cared about him - off the field?

  • heelsforever Sep 25, 2013

    TA is obviously lying about squandering his opportunity. I have it from lots of Fack fans that State athletes go to class and earn their greades.

  • baldchip Sep 25, 2013

    Coach Logan-you are making a difference friend. Keep it up.

    College academics come first-football second!! Without that -do not not waste anybody's time or money! That's the problem with the goons who left UNC in this big fix. It was all about them!! They did not care about UNC or the team-it was all about them!!

    If I were coaching, all the dramatics on the field after plays would stop! Do your job-without celebration-or find the end of the bench!! I do not have a problem with great plays and mild celebrations-but like all else, this celebration junk has gotten way out of hand!!

  • gregoryrjones Sep 25, 2013

    Some coaches do care about their players to the point where they want them to graduate. Say what you will/want about Bobby Knight but the man graduated his players and they went on to lead successful lives.

    I agree though that the athlete has to take advantage of the opportunity given to him. If he doesn't, that's his fault not the university. Plus, if you need help with something ask. If you don't that's on you, not the coach.

  • Toddler10-21 Sep 25, 2013

    Amato what were you doing? Sounds to me he wasnt going to class? Good luck T. A.?

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