RE: Disband the ACC
There was never a chance of the ACC getting an SEC school to switch sides. They aren't stupid. What would be the point of giving up $7-10 million a year to join the ACC? So your football teams can get worse than they have been?
I don't think any of the current ACC schools, including all of the original seven, want to return the ACC to mid-major status just so the North Carolina schools can play two conference games against each other in basketball every year. Why not? Because they would have to give up the $millions the same way SEC teams would by moving to a lesser conference.
It's possible, though not certain, that Duke and UNC could remain strong in a regional basketball league, but I don't think anybody else could. The top players are going to want to play in major conferences. I like rivalries as much as the next guy. The Ivy league has strong rivalries. Is that what we want for the ACC? Watch how fast the booster club donations plummet if we go that route.
RE: Disband the ACC
You're point about MD is taken. They are dissappointed with being partnered with a team about 2 hours away (Pitt).
just an fyi- Univ of Md and Univ of Pitt are more like 4 1/2 hours apart. Pitt won't be a close drive for anyone.
RE: Disband the ACC
You're point about MD is taken. They are dissappointed with being partnered with a team about 2 hours away (Pitt).
just an fyi- Univ of Md and Univ of Pitt are more like 4 1/2 hours apart. Pitt won't be a close drive for anyone.
Other than UVa, there isn't an ACC school closer to Maryland than Pitt. VT is also 4 1/2 hours away, and Raleigh and Durham a little further.
RE: Disband the ACC
You're point about MD is taken. They are dissappointed with being partnered with a team about 2 hours away (Pitt).
just an fyi- Univ of Md and Univ of Pitt are more like 4 1/2 hours apart. Pitt won't be a close drive for anyone.
Other than UVa, there isn't an ACC school closer to Maryland than Pitt. VT is also 4 1/2 hours away, and Raleigh and Durham a little further.
syracuse will become Pitt's main rival, in the new acc.
RE: Disband the ACC
You're point about MD is taken. They are dissappointed with being partnered with a team about 2 hours away (Pitt).
just an fyi- Univ of Md and Univ of Pitt are more like 4 1/2 hours apart. Pitt won't be a close drive for anyone.
Other than UVa, there isn't an ACC school closer to Maryland than Pitt. VT is also 4 1/2 hours away, and Raleigh and Durham a little further.
syracuse will become Pitt's main rival, in the new acc.
Which is ironic, because the first time the ACC tried to get them in the league it was so they could partner with BC. I'm afraid the Eagles are always going to be lonesome in this league.
RE: Disband the ACC
The problem with expanding the ACC is that it is no longer the Atlantic Coast Conference. It has become so spread out that the schools no longer have anything in common outside of a two state region. We are strangers among our own fan bases. Remember, the expansion was all about money and tv influence, not about maintaining rivalries and sportsmanship. What typical fans can travel the distances now required for away games? I, for one, miss the good old days when all of our conference schools were within easy driving distance. I attended most away games for years, but no longer.
Go WolfPack!
RE: Disband the ACC
The problem with expanding the ACC is that it is no longer the Atlantic Coast Conference. It has become so spread out that the schools no longer have anything in common outside of a two state region. We are strangers among our own fan bases. Remember, the expansion was all about money and tv influence, not about maintaining rivalries and sportsmanship. What typical fans can travel the distances now required for away games? I, for one, miss the good old days when all of our conference schools were within easy driving distance. I attended most away games for years, but no longer.
Go WolfPack!
- Posted by jmwbrd
Sometimes I think ACC fans were spoiled in the early days of the conference. Then, you
could drive to all away games with relative ease. In that sense, I think the ACC was truly unique. Fans in every other conference have always faced more daunting travel burdens.
The ACC paid a price for that closeness that it was willing to pay then. Then, there wasn't much money being left on the table that member schools couldn't make up for with booster club donations that were exceptionally high due to the scarcity of ACC tournament tix. The price the league paid was irrelevance in football.
And for all the wonderful memories about how great the ACC was then in basketball, the reality is that, nationally, it wasn't all that hot. Between UNC's championships in '57 and '82, only State managed to win the big prize. And Final Four appearances by ACC teams in the league's first 29 years were much less frequent than they have been in the past 30.
Expansion came at a price, no doubt. But while fans long for the good old days, I don't think any of the schools really want to go back there.
RE: Disband the ACC
This would address one of my beefs. The tradition of the ACC with the rivalries. It'll take years before the pod system comes into effect and State and Duke haven't had the home/home games in the last 7 years (?).
The commish should NEVER be from a member school either. This is a huge problem with other ACC members (State included).
The ACC is dead and the garbage product needs to be flushed or revamped QUICK in order to keep universities from leaving. I think it's too late though.
Now, it's a race to the SEC. We're in competition with FSU, GT, Clemson and VT. Since the Tarholes are so tied to the league with Swofford and Duke and Wake are smaller, private universities, State doesn't have much competition in NC and it does make us more attractive to the SEC with the NC market.
- Posted by MarcoPolo
In what world would the SEC take NCSU over any legitimate football school? Marco, you are the 1% of State fanbase that makes most State fans shake their heads. When it comes time for the SEC to move to 16 teams, they'll just raid the Big 12 again just like the ACC will raid the Big East when it is time to go to 16. None of us have to like it, but we might as well live with it. Crying about expansion is pointless. The ACC is smart to jump on it as quickly as possible before they find themselves completely irrelevant on the national level.
ACC Commissioners: Jim Weaver (1957-1970) Previously head football coach and AD at Wake Forest; Bob James (1971-1987) Maryland football player; Eugene Corrigan (1987-1997) Lacrosse player at Duke SID & AD at Virginia; and John Swofford (1997-) Former UNC football player and UNC AD.
So, every single commissioner the ACC has ever had was associated in some way with a member school. The truth is that in your Oliver Stone-esque world the problem is that the current commissioner is associated with UNC which you blame for every ill in the NCSU program rather than looking at what NCSU has done to damage itself.
RE: Disband the ACC
There was never a chance of the ACC getting an SEC school to switch sides. They aren't stupid. What would be the point of giving up $7-10 million a year to join the ACC? So your football teams can get worse than they have been?
I don't think any of the current ACC schools, including all of the original seven, want to return the ACC to mid-major status just so the North Carolina schools can play two conference games against each other in basketball every year. Why not? Because they would have to give up the $millions the same way SEC teams would by moving to a lesser conference.
It's possible, though not certain, that Duke and UNC could remain strong in a regional basketball league, but I don't think anybody else could. The top players are going to want to play in major conferences. I like rivalries as much as the next guy. The Ivy league has strong rivalries. Is that what we want for the ACC? Watch how fast the booster club donations plummet if we go that route.
- Posted by Ken D.
I think Kentucky might consider it though they have a pretty sweet deal being the unquestioned kings of SEC basketball more often than not and their football program is just giddy to go to a bowl game every 5-10 years.
RE: Disband the ACC
This would address one of my beefs. The tradition of the ACC with the rivalries. It'll take years before the pod system comes into effect and State and Duke haven't had the home/home games in the last 7 years (?).
The commish should NEVER be from a member school either. This is a huge problem with other ACC members (State included).
The ACC is dead and the garbage product needs to be flushed or revamped QUICK in order to keep universities from leaving. I think it's too late though.
Now, it's a race to the SEC. We're in competition with FSU, GT, Clemson and VT. Since the Tarholes are so tied to the league with Swofford and Duke and Wake are smaller, private universities, State doesn't have much competition in NC and it does make us more attractive to the SEC with the NC market.
- Posted by MarcoPolo
In what world would the SEC take NCSU over any legitimate football school? Marco, you are the 1% of State fanbase that makes most State fans shake their heads. When it comes time for the SEC to move to 16 teams, they'll just raid the Big 12 again just like the ACC will raid the Big East when it is time to go to 16. None of us have to like it, but we might as well live with it. Crying about expansion is pointless. The ACC is smart to jump on it as quickly as possible before they find themselves completely irrelevant on the national level.
ACC Commissioners: Jim Weaver (1957-1970) Previously head football coach and AD at Wake Forest; Bob James (1971-1987) Maryland football player; Eugene Corrigan (1987-1997) Lacrosse player at Duke SID & AD at Virginia; and John Swofford (1997-) Former UNC football player and UNC AD.
So, every single commissioner the ACC has ever had was associated in some way with a member school. The truth is that in your Oliver Stone-esque world the problem is that the current commissioner is associated with UNC which you blame for every ill in the NCSU program rather than looking at what NCSU has done to damage itself.
Isn't it interesting that none of the ACC commissioners were associated with basketball, which so many fans consider to be the core of the league's identity. Few fans today remember that football was the reason the ACC was formed in the first place. Basketball came along for the ride.
The four commissioners were strongly affiliated with five of the seven original league members. Maybe the reason some State fans say the league should never hire a commissioner with ties to one of its members is that it hasn't been their turn yet. If Swofford were to get hit by a bus (or thrown under one) what former State player/coach/AD would be a potential candidate for the job?
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