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  • kato_karma.01 Apr 26, 2012
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    Agreed, no additional discussion required.
    Hendergoon dirty.
    Battier dirty.
    Wallace dirty.

  • 903 G I Rogue Apr 26, 2012
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    It's a popularity contest. It's a poll among 118 NBA players, Evans got 37% of the votes, 2 other guys got 9% and no one else got more than 4%. It doesn't deserve anymore discussion really.

    http://sportige.com/15-dirtiest-nba-players-according-to-the-players-themselves/

    Number 13 - Shane Battier, Miami Heat
    Still one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA, I'm guessing Battier ranking so high is because people hate it when they he guards them. Averages 4.8 points per game this season for the Heat, with 1.6 personal fouls in 23 minutes a night.

    Number 6 - Gerald Henderson, Charlotte Bobcats
    Maybe it's a Duke thing.

  • kato_karma.01 Apr 26, 2012
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    Never said Wallace was not dirty.
    Did provide the data from a poll of current NBA players that voted Hendergoon and Battier as dirty is valid.
    By deflecting such supporting evidence with a lame claim that these players "say the best defenders are dirty because great defenders make their jobs harder", you have clearly identified yourself as a dookie homer.

  • 903 G I Rogue Apr 26, 2012
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    It's still you because you don't think Rasheed Wallace was dirty.

  • kato_karma.01 Apr 26, 2012
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    Rasheed was a dirty player and Hendergoon is a angel. Who's the homer?

  • 903 G I Rogue Apr 26, 2012
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    Battier's one of the dirtiest players ever and Rasheed Wallace was an angel. Who's the homer?

  • kato_karma.01 Apr 26, 2012
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    Apparently, dookie homer reasoning is that it is ok to be a dirty player if you are considered an excellent defender. As such, Rasheed gets a full pass:

    "Wallace was an elite one-on-one post defender who could match up against Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett or Tracy McGrady without needing a double-team."

    "At the center of it all (for Detroit) was Wallace, a dynamic low-post defender..."

    "...valued around the league as a top post defender."

    "He was an elite defender. His defensive rating in his best years are right where a prime KG's defense is ranked."

  • 903 G I Rogue Apr 26, 2012
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    Need a link to a slate.com article?

  • kato_karma.01 Apr 26, 2012
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    Yawn.
    Will take much more than that to justify the use of the term "great".
    And to discredit a poll of active NBA players.

  • jrj6950 Apr 26, 2012
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    give cojo a break.

    after all, he still thinks the draft lottery is the first 21 picks.

  • 903 G I Rogue Apr 26, 2012
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    http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/15/three-defensive-up-and-comers/

    Gerald Henderson, Charlotte Bobcats

    Henderson is in his second season, but spent most of his rookie year toiling away on the Charlotte bench. A middling Bobcats team struggling to secure a low playoff seed didn't have room for a rookie guard in the regular rotation, especially with veteran options readily available. That kind of decision-making is par for the course with Larry Brown teams; Brown has found success with almost every team he's coached, but nearly all of his coaching stops have also been marked by a disregard for young, developing talent. Such was the case with Henderson, and the guard's inability to secure regular playing time extended into Brown's tenure this season.

    However, two developments have allowed Henderson to shine. The first was Brown's exit because the Bobcats' current head coach, Paul Silas, is much more willing to invest in the future of his roster. The other was the trading of Gerald Wallace. Though Wallace's departure wouldn't seem to be a boon for any of the Bobcats, it did open up opportunities for Henderson to try his hand as a defensive stopper. That was all Henderson needed, and while his emergence has been more a matter of role alteration and playing time adjustment than improvement, he still warrants a place among the finest defensive up-and-comers.

    Henderson is a fantastic on-ball defender. He's aggressive without getting himself in foul trouble, and uses his natural athleticism well. Henderson has been a thorn in the side of some of the top wing players, and he's well on his way to becoming an elite lock-down defender.

  • 903 G I Rogue Apr 26, 2012
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    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jeff-Foster-2453/

    Defense: A terrific defender who really gives a great effort to shut his man down. Does a good job deny post entry passes and jumping into position when the ball is entered. Can step out and guard most centers that float out to the midrange. Shows nice lateral quickness for his position. Will slide over and help out when his teammates get beat off the dribble, but isn't a threat to reject many shots. Goes straight up rather than attempting to challenge players at the rim. Tremendous rebounder. Boxes out on every possession. Gets minutes because he is a defensive workhorse.

  • 903 G I Rogue Apr 26, 2012
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    http://www.nba.com/playerfile/anderson_varejao/bio.html

    named to the NBA All-Defensive Second Team
    also finished third in voting for NBA Sixth Man of the Year and received 18 votes for Defensive Player of the Year

  • kato_karma.01 Apr 26, 2012
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    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1204/nba.dirtiest.player/content.1.html

    LOL.
    Here are some of the "great" defenders that appear on the list: Reggie Evans, Jeff Foster, Gerald Henderson, Kevin Love, Anderson Varejao, Eduardo Najera, Ryan Hollins, Jamaal Magloire.
    Hall of Fame material...not (bogus assertion from the dookie homer).

  • tim17 Apr 26, 2012
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    ure it's a job and K can handle it easily...but let's get serious...he gets to pick and choose from the best players on the planet against everyone else. Real different than when Dean took college players and won the gold medal back. K should win. If it were Roy, or anyone else, they should win also. No contest. I could coach them. After all I've logged hundreds of hours watching them and I know their collective strengths and weaknesses also. Doubt I could come up with a plan that could stop kobe, dwayne, or lebron from being themselves once the ball went up. K doesn't deserve all the s*cking off by the media with all the advantages in the world. Put him in charge of Poland's team and lets see what he can do. HA

    What did your guy's Carl when he got the best, not so good.

  • 903 G I Rogue Apr 26, 2012
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    Blake Griffin is dealing with dirty, cheap shots from every opponent he faces. And he's getting called out by everyone including his own teammates for not standing up for himself. Unfortunately, that's the nature of pro sports. There's alot on the line and as the stakes get higher the rough stuff will just get rougher and rougher. That's why there's a difference between regular season intensity and playoff intensity.

  • Krzyzewskiectomy Apr 26, 2012
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    More disgusting moments from K and his group of minions:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2012/03/duke_basketball_the_18_most_hateable_moments_in_the_history_of_blue_devils_basketball_.html

  • Toddler10-21 Apr 26, 2012
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    Tyler is going to continue to get pushed around until he does something about it. Son stand up for yourself. ssjack830 before you say anything, what if you get hit the way Tyler did from Henderson, and Dunleavy? What would do? I promise you when the Lakers play OKC again Hardin will get back at Artest!

  • ssjack830 Apr 26, 2012
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    true. let's face it. there's a lot of cheap stuff that goes on in any competitive endeavor. However, there is crossing the line. every state,in a poll, but calif. thought the penalty was too lenient. if he hit hardin in the temple, there could have been a funeral.

  • 903 G I Rogue Apr 26, 2012
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    Artest is dirty but he's also one of the best defenders in the league. NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2004), 2x All-Defensive First Team (2004, 2006), 2x All-Defensive Second Team (2003, 2009). Alot of the other players on that list are great defenders too.

  • BlueDeviIs00 Apr 26, 2012
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    Have fun watching DUKE's coach, coach the US Olympic team. Roy would never get that honor.

  • ssjack830 Apr 26, 2012
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    ^^^oh and be sure to call Stern to let him know artest was only playing good defense, like henderson on tyler, and dunleavy.

  • ssjack830 Apr 26, 2012
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    oh psychic one...do tell us what the lottery numbers will be since you know the minds of all the nba players...wow...what a gift. Of course, your "powers" would esteem the poll to be correct should it have been Carolina players. right. got it.

  • jrj6950 Apr 26, 2012
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    You should type in "Rasheed Wallace Dirty Player" and see how many articles you find.

  • jrj6950 Apr 26, 2012
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    My bad for having a life outside of this sports blog.

  • 903 G I Rogue Apr 26, 2012
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    The poll is bogus. NBA players are gonna say the best defenders are dirty because great defenders make their jobs harder. That's all this is.

  • heelman73 Apr 26, 2012
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    One could, but then one would have them confused with the dookies.

  • ssjack830 Apr 26, 2012
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    yeah artest is the pinnacle of good sportsmanship. good job rationalizing what their PEERS have to say...oh and I bet there are some great defensive players that were not on that list...hmmm...of course your fans have posted with GLEE over the unnecessary violence done to Carolina players. Little late to run to the high road.

  • sbduke Apr 26, 2012
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    Not enough playing time for Tar Heels to play dirty. I'm just saying

  • Krzyzewskiectomy Apr 26, 2012
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    Where did jr go? I wonder if he had to leave to go to his pizza delivery job.

  • 903 G I Rogue Apr 25, 2012
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    Looks like nba players equate dirtiest with being great defenders.

    Paul, Garnett, raja bell, varejo, artest, dhoward, ... Most of these guys have been named nba all- defense multiple times.

  • MO_DUKE IS BANNED Apr 25, 2012
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    "What you should consider is this. Since Rasheed got ejected from that game, and multiple times since leaving Carolina, but never while at Carolina, one could infer that Carolina was a positive influence on him".

    .........or one could infer that Sheed, like all carolina players, are afforded the ACC's version of secret service protection by the refs.

  • ssjack830 Apr 25, 2012
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    yep. been posting that info without the link. funny how NONE of these homers had anything to say about that...funny how they gloat over these guys breaking noses, but when the world calls them dirty and classless...wow...suddenly they are strangely quiet...oh except the homer that brings up rasheed...AN NBA CHAMPION AND ALL STAR.

  • kato_karma.01 Apr 25, 2012
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    Sports Illustrated recently asked 146 NBA players to list who they think is the league's dirtiest player, not including their teammates.
    Two ex-dookies made the list...Hendergoon and Battier.
    No ex-Heels.
    Dayum.
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1204/nba.dirtiest.player/content.1.html

  • heelman73 Apr 25, 2012
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    Congrats! You found one guy who agrees with you. And, faster than I figured you would. That's a long way from common knowledge of the masses, but a nice try, nonetheless.

  • rx74u2nv Apr 25, 2012
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    Ouch! You may pick your teeth up now...

  • larrys080 Apr 25, 2012
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    WOW......They cheat while they are at Duke and then go on to fail in the pros! Only 2 championships?? That just goes to show you that K only cares about his system and then sends the kids out with little to no preparation! K could have at least given a few of the kids driving lessons.........is that asking too much?

  • Krzyzewskiectomy Apr 25, 2012
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    Where is jr? Coward!!!!! Coward!!!!!!

    Oh sorry about that, I almost thought I would take someone else's posting style for a minute there and decided against it........Carry on.

  • ssjack830 Apr 25, 2012
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    OUCH!!!! man you can smell their mix of self righteousness, fear, envy and hypocrisy...LOL

  • Krzyzewskiectomy Apr 25, 2012
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    Its common knowledge of the masses. But since you need a link:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aEL5ZnKhQuXY
    http://collegetimes.us/top-10-cheating-scandals-in-college-history/
    http://voices.yahoo.com/how-duke-university-hurting-college-basketball-869459.html
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/post/coach-k-duke-seek-ncaa-guidance-for-possible-recruiting-violation/2011/08/01/gIQAh0FQnI_blog.html

    K even cheats with his hair color:

    http://www.kinston.com/articles/duke-79883-basketball-players.html

    And a wealth of evidence that K took players with average SAT scores some 350 points below average for Dook along with Greg Newtons cheating:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2001/03/the_blue_devils_arent_angels.html

    Let's not forget that 25% of the Dook undergrad population admits to cheating as well.
    Any more proof needed there Bunky?

  • Krzyzewskiectomy Apr 25, 2012
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    In summary, Dook players are turned into cheating scum. These dots have now been connected.

  • jrj6950 Apr 25, 2012
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    Proof?

  • Krzyzewskiectomy Apr 25, 2012
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    It is called pure comedy gold.

  • Krzyzewskiectomy Apr 25, 2012
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    At least you admit K makes players into scum. That acknowledgement is telling.

  • Krzyzewskiectomy Apr 25, 2012
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    So cheating players were an extension of K and Dook? Gotcha.

  • Krzyzewskiectomy Apr 25, 2012
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    Let's not forget the Dookies caught cheating while playing for K. I do believe there were two of them.

  • jrj6950 Apr 25, 2012
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    He is a troll, just like you. Its just called getting what you deserve.

  • Krzyzewskiectomy Apr 25, 2012
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    Now we are waiting for the third step in your JV posting style, challenging someone to a fight.

    Step 1, calling someone names, has been met.

    Step 2, calling someone a coward has been met.

    Which bar or alley are you going to challenge him to now?
    LOL at the predictability.

  • jrj6950 Apr 25, 2012
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    Now you are laughing at the fact you insulted handicapped people.

  • Krzyzewskiectomy Apr 25, 2012
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    LOL at the hurt one.

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