Report finds academic fraud at UNC
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I'm sure there's not a chance in Hades that any athletes benefited from this alleged fraud. ESPECIALLY not the basketball players. No way, no how. Football players all day long, but no basketball players.
The beauty of it is that there are hard, fast academic records of what classes were taken by what athlete.
Can you smell that?
It's the sweet smell of VINDICATION wafting through the air.
LOL
- Posted by TruthBKnown Left The Building
There is absolutely nothing new in the report and the same names are mentioned.
There is all kinds of new information. Did you not read the article?
The only new information I saw was this:
-Someone (probably N-guy) changed grades without consulting with profs
-Independent study courses could have been supervised better
-All problems ended in 2009 when a certain person in the department resigned
Everything else was the same information from the NCAA report, just rehashed.
UNC should be commended for launching this investigation and releasing the information, even though there hasn't been an issue for three years now.
RE: Report finds academic fraud at UNC
Just a few things from the New York Post:
SPORTS PEOPLE: BASKETBALL; Refusal to Talk
Published: July 21, 1989
The players on North Carolina State's 1988-89 basketball team refused to talk to state investigators looking into allegations of wrongdoing at the school, the head of the investigation said yesterday in Raleigh.
Jim Valvano, the coach and athletic director, also refused to release business records the investigators had requested, said Samuel H. Poole, vice chairman of the University of North Carolina board of governors and the chairman of the commission that conducted the six-month inquiry.
Valvano did talk with commission members about matters not related to his company, JTV Enterprises, Poole said. Valvano could not be reached for comment.(AP)
RE: Report finds academic fraud at UNC
It's not a conspiracy theory when you have the overwhelming evidence found at Carolina.
It's called PRUDENCE.
Mixed with a dash of common sense.
- Posted by TruthBKnown Left The Building
I'd love to see your evidence that the basketball team was involved in this. Please, do tell.
They have none, though there has been strong evidence over the years that cheating academically is standard at NCheatSU.
Didn't Jimmy V run some fake courses over there as well?
Nope.
I have to give you an "A" for effort, though. You try your best to defend the indefensible.
And unlike so many Carolina students, you actually EARNED this "A".
RE: Report finds academic fraud at UNC
I'm sure there's not a chance in Hades that any athletes benefited from this alleged fraud. ESPECIALLY not the basketball players. No way, no how. Football players all day long, but no basketball players.
The beauty of it is that there are hard, fast academic records of what classes were taken by what athlete.
Can you smell that?
It's the sweet smell of VINDICATION wafting through the air.
LOL
- Posted by TruthBKnown Left The Building
There is absolutely nothing new in the report and the same names are mentioned.
There is all kinds of new information. Did you not read the article?
The only new information I saw was this:
-Someone (probably N-guy) changed grades without consulting with profs
-Independent study courses could have been supervised better
-All problems ended in 2009 when a certain person in the department resigned
Everything else was the same information from the NCAA report, just rehashed.
UNC should be commended for launching this investigation and releasing the information, even though there hasn't been an issue for three years now.
TBK sees conspiracy abound. He is scared that Fedora will beat State in football this season.
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Valvano No Saint
Published: May 09, 1993
While Jim Valvano might have been a funny guy and an inspirational leader, he and coaches of his ilk were -- to say the least -- anything but people to be admired. Sometimes death causes the living to glorify the deceased and, more important, to ignore their faults. When he coached, Jim Valvano was exactly what the National Collegiate Athletic Association was trying to get rid of. His goal was to win, no matter what rules were broken.
There is no question that he was a great basketball coach. But the young men whom he coached were nothing more than tools in his quest for national recognition. As a coach, if his athletes were not doing what he wanted (as he much later reported), why didn't he throw them off the team? That answer is simple: How can you win if your stars are not playing?
He accepted the acclaim when his team of "student-athletes" won the national championship; he certainly should have accepted everything else that went along with that: the truancy and the low graduation rate.
Please let's not sanctify the man; he was not glorious. He used kids to further his ego. Would he still have been coaching if the N.C.A.A. hadn't put pressure on North Carolina State? Would he have gotten his TV job if he had not broken the rules and won?
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I'd love to see your evidence that the basketball team was involved in this. Please, do tell.
- Posted by chapelthrill2007
They have none, though there has been strong evidence over the years that cheating academically is standard at NCheatSU.
Didn't Jimmy V run some fake courses over there as well?
Nope.
I have to give you an "A" for effort, though. You try your best to defend the indefensible.
And unlike so many Carolina students, you actually EARNED this "A".
No, under Valvano they just didn't go to class.
RE: Report finds academic fraud at UNC
I'd love to see your evidence that the basketball team was involved in this. Please, do tell.
- Posted by chapelthrill2007
They have none, though there has been strong evidence over the years that cheating academically is standard at NCheatSU.
Didn't Jimmy V run some fake courses over there as well?
Nope.
I have to give you an "A" for effort, though. You try your best to defend the indefensible.
And unlike so many Carolina students, you actually EARNED this "A".
Well, I guess they didn't learn much during the courses they did take over there:
Valvano's record, off the court, is horrible. Despite taking courses as demanding as "Leisure Alternatives," few of his players graduate. Several, like Cozell McQueen and Chris Washburn, could not read before or after their N.C. State "educations." And Washburn has been in and out of drug rehabilitation since his stereo-stealing college days. http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1989/9/23/scandals-off-the-court-with-jim/
RE: Report finds academic fraud at UNC
I'm sure there's not a chance in Hades that any athletes benefited from this alleged fraud. ESPECIALLY not the basketball players. No way, no how. Football players all day long, but no basketball players.
The beauty of it is that there are hard, fast academic records of what classes were taken by what athlete.
Can you smell that?
It's the sweet smell of VINDICATION wafting through the air.
LOL
- Posted by TruthBKnown Left The Building
... I hear the shredders in action at UNC, they're working overtime tonight, oh, but then there's that nasty cloud computer system with the backup memory, yes, we wouldn't want to lose any of that digital documentation now, would we, no.
RE: Report finds academic fraud at UNC
Just a few things from the New York Post:
SPORTS PEOPLE: BASKETBALL; Refusal to Talk
Published: July 21, 1989
The players on North Carolina State's 1988-89 basketball team refused to talk to state investigators looking into allegations of wrongdoing at the school, the head of the investigation said yesterday in Raleigh.
Jim Valvano, the coach and athletic director, also refused to release business records the investigators had requested, said Samuel H. Poole, vice chairman of the University of North Carolina board of governors and the chairman of the commission that conducted the six-month inquiry.
Valvano did talk with commission members about matters not related to his company, JTV Enterprises, Poole said. Valvano could not be reached for comment.(AP)
- Posted by Krzyzewskiectomy
Still going back to 1989, eh?
You people crack me up, I swear! LOL
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AP
Published: March 31, 1990
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Jeff Ruland, a former National Basketball Association center, said he took unspecified amounts of money from Jim Valvano while the North Carolina State coach was coaching at Iona, The Philadelphia Daily News reported today.
Valvano, who left Iona for North Carolina State in 1980, denied Ruland's allegation through his attorney, Art Kaminsky, who also said that a National Collegiate Athletic Association investigation found no wrongdoing at Iona.
Not Looking for a Debate
''Jim doesn't want to get into a public debate over this,'' Kaminsky told the newspaper.
Ruland, a two-time All-Star with the Washington Bullets, was quoted as saying that ''greenbacks changed hands.''
Asked if he accepted money from Valvano while being recruited or while playing at Iona, Ruland said: ''Both of those. That's enough. That's all I want to say.''
Ruland said that the matter wasn't ''about a lot of money.'' He would not specify the amount or how frequently it changed hands.
Ruland's N.B.A. career ended after a knee injury limited his play to five games with the Philadelphia 76ers in 1986-87.
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