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RE: Report finds academic fraud at UNC

And we have our first conspiracy theory of the day, ladies and gentlemen!

I'm surprised you can smell given the amount of tin foil that constantly surrounds your head. 

- Posted by chapelthrill2007

It's not a conspiracy theory when you have the overwhelming evidence found at Carolina.

It's called PRUDENCE.

Mixed with a dash of common sense. 

- Posted by TruthBKnown Left The Building

I'd love to see your evidence that the basketball team was involved in this. Please, do tell. 

- Posted by chapelthrill2007

They have none, though there has been strong evidence over the years that cheating academically is standard at NCheatSU. 

- Posted by Krzyzewskiectomy

RE: Report finds academic fraud at UNC

I'm sure there's not a chance in Hades that any athletes benefited from this alleged fraud. ESPECIALLY not the basketball players. No way, no how. Football players all day long, but no basketball players.

The beauty of it is that there are hard, fast academic records of what classes were taken by what athlete.

Can you smell that?

It's the sweet smell of VINDICATION wafting through the air.

LOL 

- Posted by TruthBKnown Left The Building

There is absolutely nothing new in the report and the same names are mentioned. 

- Posted by Krzyzewskiectomy

There is all kinds of new information. Did you not read the article? 

- Posted by TruthBKnown Left The Building

The only new information I saw was this:

-Someone (probably N-guy) changed grades without consulting with profs
-Independent study courses could have been supervised better
-All problems ended in 2009 when a certain person in the department resigned

Everything else was the same information from the NCAA report, just rehashed.

UNC should be commended for launching this investigation and releasing the information, even though there hasn't been an issue for three years now. 

- Posted by chapelthrill2007

RE: Report finds academic fraud at UNC

Oops:

By ROBERT McG. THOMAS Jr
Published: July 31, 1989

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No one who has followed the vari-ous scandals that have hit collegiate athletics in recent years would doubt that good students are sometimes re-cruited to write papers for good ath-letes.

Even hardened cynics might be suprised, however, to learn just how far-reaching the practice may have become, at least according to Peter Goldenbock's new book, ''Personal Fouls.''

The book, which has been stirring up controversy in North Carolina, includes an anectdote involving the North Carolina State basketball coach, Jim Valvano, who is not commenting on the book, and a professor of music, Frank Hammond, who has reportedly branded the anecdote as ridiculous.

Despite that, Golenbock, who attributes the information to his chief source, John Simonds, a former team manager who had a falling out with Valvano, clearly believes Simonds. What follows is the Simonds account, as recounted in the book:

The episode began when two of Valvano's players received failing grades in one of Hammond's courses, Music 200, something that was considered no mean feat since Hammond is such a fan of North Carolina State basketball that he has been known to give A's to players who simply showed up in class and evinced a modicum of interest in the subject.

That, of course, was precisely what the two players had failed to do. Although Hammond apparently drew the line at giving passing grades to players he had never met, when Valvano appealed to him, he agreed to give a special crash makeup course for the two players and even to hold it in the basketball office. There was, however, one condition laid down by Hammond: Valvano would have to take the course along with the two players. Although the coach, known on campus as V, was apparently not thrilled, he had no choice, which is how it came to pass that an assistant coach took notes for the three special students. 

- Posted by Krzyzewskiectomy

RE: Report finds academic fraud at UNC

Nah, they'll find a way. They won't let this little speedbump slow them down.  

First sensible thing you've said all day! In the scheme of things, a report about a terminated AfAm professor from 2009 is little more than a speedbump to our current team.

Looking forward to seeing Fedora do work in the ACC. 

- Posted by chapelthrill2007

By chapelthrill2007
Posted May 6, 2:14 a.m.

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RE: Report finds academic fraud at UNC

RE: Report finds academic fraud at UNC

We are talking about UNC athletes being GIVEN degrees they did NOT earn. I would rather have a low graduation rate due to players actually EARNING it than have a spotless record due to players being GIVEN grades they did not earn, grades being CHANGED, resulting an INFLATED graduation rate due to CHEATING. UNC is undergoing a CHEATING scandal. Your head coach PAYED the tutor AFTER she was fired by the university. It has been documented that PROFESSORS, TUTORS & Department HEADS were involved in the CHEATING. 

- Posted by pskunk119

RE: Report finds academic fraud at UNC

Yeah, thats why NCSU has such a disproportionately high number of Minority Athletes that don't graduate vs. non-minority, because they can't cut it? So then why in the world is TOBy recruiting all of these lazy kids that don't want to work and get a degree? You may be the biggest hypocrite in the blogosphere. So tell me why can NCSU football graduate 89% of it's non-minority players, but only 45% of it's minority players? Oh, that's right, they can't "cut it". So it was ok to make money off their backs while they were playing and making the Pack money, but then once they finish playing NCSU kicks them to the curb if they are minority? Why in the world is TOB recruiting so many minority players who don't graduate? Is it that NCSU is not giving them every opportunity to succeed? And guess what, you got plenty of parks and rec. majors on the team but I don't think there are many studying Nuclear Engineering, so save the holier than thou drivel about your classes. I know of plenty of "EASY" NCSU classes from friends who went there.

BTW, I've given an excellent answer to this before, defending TOB and the Pack, but figured I'd break something off since you went all "syllabusmaniac" on me. Go clean up that massive cow pie over at the quad Sparky before you start talking about someone elses compost smell there Skunkypoo.

Oh, here is our link. Riddle me this there Skunkypoo, why can VT and Miami graduate so many of it's football players? Top rated Schools like NCSU, how do they do it and NCSU struggles. How about Penn State, another great Engineering School? I'll hang up and wait while you dangle between air and water getting ready for your journey to visit the fishes.

Don't forget the link...(and the Godfather makes him an offer he can't refuse)
http://stanford.scout.com/2/1066657.html

One more thing, that "Bowling" class should come in handy in your future career pursuits.

http://www.koofers.com/north-carolina-state-university-ncsu/browse?p=1 

- Posted by The Godfather

Every school has "easy classes", most are called electives. The difference in an "easy" class and what has been brought to light at unc is A LOT different. Classes with no faculty supervising the course or grading the work yet students received grades, 43 courses where there was limited or NO instructional contact with students(being taught by the dept. head!!), grade rolls were submitted to the office of the registrar with faculty signatures that appear to be forged;the faculty members whose names appear on the grade rolls stated they did not teach the course.

That's a little bit different than picking up an easy class for your humanities elective.  

- Posted by packfan1979

Justify what you feel are shortcomings all you want. My point is NCSU has quite a bit of dirt swept under it's rug also. Wanna talk about some of it? Why don't you try explaining why TOBy is recruiting African American players that can't/won't graduate (according to Skunk). Skunkypoo says they can't "cut it". Another gut busting point is you guys are defending a poor graduation rate amongst the disadvantaged instead of talking about making improvements to raise graduation rates. How the heck are they getting in to NCSU to start with? What happened to that great screening of applicants you guys crow about? Remember, you Wolfies started this stone fight with all the hypocratic hyperbole. 

- Posted by The Godfather

"Justify what you feel are short comings all you want"

What the heck are you talking about? 

- Posted by packfan1979

RE: Report finds academic fraud at UNC

If your wife works in public education why are you condemning programs that do work to get 100% of them through. You and I both know it can be done if you have enough resources. Show me a kid that wants it, and you can overcome all the past issues IF you put the resources to it. The reason these kids get a greater proportion of resources is because they can make money for the university playing footballl, flat out. If one of them drops out it really can hurt the money making capacity of the athletics program, no so with a run of the mill Godfather or Skunk. My suggestion is to demand WHY NCSU does not do more to graduate it's players. I'd say lack of funding as highlighted by Debbie Yow is critical as if you don't have money, you can't hire accademic resources. I'm very proud UNC takes such an interest in graduating it's players, maybe NCSU should follow our lead if you can get yourself, Mr. Truth, and Mr. V4 to help Mr. Murphy out. 

- Posted by The Godfather

The reason NCSU doesn't graduate all of its players is because our player actually HAVE to go to REAL classes with REAL syllabuses with REAL professors. They have availability to tutors yet are accountable for their own success. Some don't cut it. White, black, red or yellow. It's just amazing that UNC hasn't had an academic casualty in Football or basketball in 30+ years. Not one. Give me a break.

NCSU doesn't have tutors on the payroll of the head coach doing the players school work for them. Your players take fake classes with non-existent professors or with professors so ignorant that they don't recognize (or WON'T recognize) the most important document on Swahili that has ever been written. Your boys made Baddour, Thorp & Bob Orr look like complete idgits in a court of law. And I didn't think Prince Tassle Loafers, Sr & Prince Tassle Loafers, Jr could look like biggers idgits. But McAdidn't & Nyang'oro pulled it off.

And my wife has a very good friend that taught at Dwight Jones' high school in Alamance County. She said there is no way in **** that he ever should have graduated high school much less got admitted into UNC. And she's a UNC fan. If not for some magical correspondence course conjured up by Butch & his minions, he would have never graduated HS. Clemson wouldn't even touch him. They said "Thanks, but no thanks."

And I don't want NC State to pass along every player just to make the APR numbers look good. I don't want to tarnish the value of my diploma in the name of graduating illiterates in 4 years. I want to be proud of our player graduates like Russell Wilson, Philip Rivers, & Adrian Wilson when I hear them speak on TV. I would much rather be represented by the likes of them vs. Quinton Coples, Donte Paige-Moss (of 10 people rob a bank fame), Dwight Jones, & Marvin Austin. 

- Posted by pskunk119

Yeah, thats why NCSU has such a disproportionately high number of Minority Athletes that don't graduate vs. non-minority, because they can't cut it? So then why in the world is TOBy recruiting all of these lazy kids that don't want to work and get a degree? You may be the biggest hypocrite in the blogosphere. So tell me why can NCSU football graduate 89% of it's non-minority players, but only 45% of it's minority players? Oh, that's right, they can't "cut it". So it was ok to make money off their backs while they were playing and making the Pack money, but then once they finish playing NCSU kicks them to the curb if they are minority? Why in the world is TOB recruiting so many minority players who don't graduate? Is it that NCSU is not giving them every opportunity to succeed? And guess what, you got plenty of parks and rec. majors on the team but I don't think there are many studying Nuclear Engineering, so save the holier than thou drivel about your classes. I know of plenty of "EASY" NCSU classes from friends who went there.

BTW, I've given an excellent answer to this before, defending TOB and the Pack, but figured I'd break something off since you went all "syllabusmaniac" on me. Go clean up that massive cow pie over at the quad Sparky before you start talking about someone elses compost smell there Skunkypoo.

Oh, here is our link. Riddle me this there Skunkypoo, why can VT and Miami graduate so many of it's football players? Top rated Schools like NCSU, how do they do it and NCSU struggles. How about Penn State, another great Engineering School? I'll hang up and wait while you dangle between air and water getting ready for your journey to visit the fishes.

Don't forget the link...(and the Godfather makes him an offer he can't refuse)
http://stanford.scout.com/2/1066657.html

One more thing, that "Bowling" class should come in handy in your future career pursuits.

http://www.koofers.com/north-carolina-state-university-ncsu/browse?p=1 

- Posted by The Godfather

Again. Our players must EARN their degree, regardless of color. REAL classes. REAL professors. REAL grades. REAL degrees. We don't GIVE degrees just because someone is a NC State student-athlete. They must be EARNED. We have NEVER had academic fraud to the level that has occured in Chapel Hill. NEVER.

Where is the Quad? I know of the Wake Forest Quad, but it's pretty clean over there. My son got accepted there. It's pretty nice. 

- Posted by pskunk119

RE: Report finds academic fraud at UNC

Oh little Skunkypoo, here is your courses in "African Studies"...
http://www.koofers.com/north-carolina-state-university-ncsu/afs/

let's dont' forget those life skills classes in "Golf Mangement" with an average GPA of 3.52...
http://www.koofers.com/north-carolina-state-university-ncsu/prt/

then how could we leave out the PE 269 class - Volleyball 1!!! Average grade 3.8. Dang, all those really hard classes at NCSU that can help me get a real job in professional volleyball or golf manangement (cutting grass).  

- Posted by The Godfather

easy elective classes that all schools have vs. academic fraud that unc has...

why are you still typing? 

- Posted by packfan1979

RE: Report finds academic fraud at UNC

Oh little Skunkypoo, here is your courses in "African Studies"...
http://www.koofers.com/north-carolina-state-university-ncsu/afs/

let's dont' forget those life skills classes in "Golf Mangement" with an average GPA of 3.52...
http://www.koofers.com/north-carolina-state-university-ncsu/prt/

then how could we leave out the PE 269 class - Volleyball 1!!! Average grade 3.8. Dang, all those really hard classes at NCSU that can help me get a real job in professional volleyball or golf manangement (cutting grass).  

- Posted by The Godfather

easy elective classes that all schools have vs. academic fraud that unc has...

why are you still typing? 

- Posted by packfan1979

Hold on...(laughs uncontrolably for 10 min.) Academic fraud? Do you have any clue the cheating going on at NCSU? The honor council deals with over 120 cases a year, and that is "reported". I personally know a girl who was paid by 3 guys at NCSU majoring in Engineering to write all of their English papers because they were so bad at it. $50 a pop. You sound like a cat trying to clear a hairball with that "academic fraud" regurgitation. Why don't you and Skunkypoo spare us the sanctimonius rhetoric. 

- Posted by The Godfather