Do you believe Roy?

RE: Do you believe Roy?

After reading the latest N&O article, I'm growing more and more convinced that this is much ado about nothing. Looks suspicious, but may not have been illegal or violated NCAA rules in any way. Seems to me more like a crummy department that students, including student athletes, took advantage of in order to boost their GPAs.
- Posted by chapelthrill2012

Maybe, maybe not. But the fact that the school allowed a crummy department to be run in that fashion calls for a little more investigation. Whether it is NCAA worthy, I don't know. But it needs to be looked into.

Somewhere, the system failed.
- Posted by forautumn

Don't want to open a can of worms here, but there are some "departments" that are very difficult to take on, if you know what I'm saying. Who wants to criticize the AfAm Studies department for being easy or useless? That would lead to a HECK of a backlash...
- Posted by chapelthrill2012

hey, I agree...some departments/classes are easier. Athletes know it, Frats know it.

My problem is that, as of now, one faculty member seemed to be doing some very questionable things....I think the word used was "suspect" classes....in terms of how they were to be taught, requirements, etc. That is not just an athletic issue, that is a true total academic issue. And it should be looked at.

and I don't like the idea, at all, of that same faculty member opening up a summer school class and suddenly 18 football players enroll. And the format of the class is changed without approval.
- Posted by forautumn

Now imagine information like this coming out and the BoG continuing to keep their hands off.

That's what was going on. That's why we have been so irritated over all this.

The BoG caved to pressure and finally formed this committee.

FINALLY.

RE: Do you believe Roy?

After reading the latest N&O article, I'm growing more and more convinced that this is much ado about nothing. Looks suspicious, but may not have been illegal or violated NCAA rules in any way. Seems to me more like a crummy department that students, including student athletes, took advantage of in order to boost their GPAs.
- Posted by chapelthrill2012

Maybe, maybe not. But the fact that the school allowed a crummy department to be run in that fashion calls for a little more investigation. Whether it is NCAA worthy, I don't know. But it needs to be looked into.

Somewhere, the system failed.
- Posted by forautumn

Exactly correct about the crummy department. No excuse under the sun for this to occur at UNC nor any other University/school. There is no wonder why people lose respect for our University system all across the Country.

RE: Do you believe Roy?

If the Poole Commission was essentially the same thing as what we have now, then I'm cool with it.

I don't want MORE done to Carolina than was done to State. Both deserved to be investigated, but until now, Carolina has been investigating themselves.
- Posted by TruthBKnown Left The Building

My understanding is that it was a BOG commission, set up by Spangler.
- Posted by forautumn

Not sure, but, wern't all members totally independant of UNC Sytem? I thought they were brought in from outside the system.

RE: Do you believe Roy?

If the Poole Commission was essentially the same thing as what we have now, then I'm cool with it.

I don't want MORE done to Carolina than was done to State. Both deserved to be investigated, but until now, Carolina has been investigating themselves.
- Posted by TruthBKnown Left The Building

My understanding is that it was a BOG commission, set up by Spangler.
- Posted by forautumn

Not sure, but, wern't all members totally independant of UNC Sytem? I thought they were brought in from outside the system.
- Posted by tommybrownnc

That's what I thought, too. I thought the BoG was quick to order up the investigation, but weren't actually the ones investigating. But I concede I don't know that for sure.

RE: Do you believe Roy?

After reading the latest N&O article, I'm growing more and more convinced that this is much ado about nothing. Looks suspicious, but may not have been illegal or violated NCAA rules in any way. Seems to me more like a crummy department that students, including student athletes, took advantage of in order to boost their GPAs.
- Posted by chapelthrill2012

Really? Then why is Deborah Crowder, a retiree from UNC who worked in the African and Afro-American Studies Dept. refusing to answer any questions from UNC investigators?

People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.
- Posted by tommybrownnc

If I had worked in an area that was under investigation by the SBI for possible criminal activity, I would be saying as little as possible regardless of whether or not I was guilty of anything.

RE: Do you believe Roy?

Maybe, maybe not. But the fact that the school allowed a crummy department to be run in that fashion calls for a little more investigation. Whether it is NCAA worthy, I don't know. But it needs to be looked into.

Somewhere, the system failed.
- Posted by forautumn

Don't want to open a can of worms here, but there are some "departments" that are very difficult to take on, if you know what I'm saying. Who wants to criticize the AfAm Studies department for being easy or useless? That would lead to a HECK of a backlash...
- Posted by chapelthrill2012

hey, I agree...some departments/classes are easier. Athletes know it, Frats know it.

My problem is that, as of now, one faculty member seemed to be doing some very questionable things....I think the word used was "suspect" classes....in terms of how they were to be taught, requirements, etc. That is not just an athletic issue, that is a true total academic issue. And it should be looked at.

and I don't like the idea, at all, of that same faculty member opening up a summer school class and suddenly 18 football players enroll. And the format of the class is changed without approval.
- Posted by forautumn

Now imagine information like this coming out and the BoG continuing to keep their hands off.

That's what was going on. That's why we have been so irritated over all this.

The BoG caved to pressure and finally formed this committee.

FINALLY.
- Posted by TruthBKnown Left The Building

Well, the information about the summer school course only came out last week, so the BOG didn't ahve time to react before.

however, the fact that the folks at UNC knew about it before hand and only released it when the N&O requested it, is a very valid reason to investigate totally.

And, IMO, should lead to Thorp being held accountable.

RE: Do you believe Roy?

If the Poole Commission was essentially the same thing as what we have now, then I'm cool with it.

I don't want MORE done to Carolina than was done to State. Both deserved to be investigated, but until now, Carolina has been investigating themselves.
- Posted by TruthBKnown Left The Building

My understanding is that it was a BOG commission, set up by Spangler.
- Posted by forautumn

Not sure, but, wern't all members totally independant of UNC Sytem? I thought they were brought in from outside the system.
- Posted by tommybrownnc

Poole was Vice Chair of the BOG. Found this blurb

The investigation began in late January 1989, when C.D. Spangler Jr., president
of the University of North Carolina system, appointed a fourmember panel to look
into allegations of wrongdoing and corruption raised by promotional material for
a forthcoming book.

RE: Do you believe Roy?

Don't want to open a can of worms here, but there are some "departments" that are very difficult to take on, if you know what I'm saying. Who wants to criticize the AfAm Studies department for being easy or useless? That would lead to a HECK of a backlash...
- Posted by chapelthrill2012

hey, I agree...some departments/classes are easier. Athletes know it, Frats know it.

My problem is that, as of now, one faculty member seemed to be doing some very questionable things....I think the word used was "suspect" classes....in terms of how they were to be taught, requirements, etc. That is not just an athletic issue, that is a true total academic issue. And it should be looked at.

and I don't like the idea, at all, of that same faculty member opening up a summer school class and suddenly 18 football players enroll. And the format of the class is changed without approval.
- Posted by forautumn

Now imagine information like this coming out and the BoG continuing to keep their hands off.

That's what was going on. That's why we have been so irritated over all this.

The BoG caved to pressure and finally formed this committee.

FINALLY.
- Posted by TruthBKnown Left The Building

Well, the information about the summer school course only came out last week, so the BOG didn't ahve time to react before.

however, the fact that the folks at UNC knew about it before hand and only released it when the N&O requested it, is a very valid reason to investigate totally.

And, IMO, should lead to Thorp being held accountable.
- Posted by forautumn

Right or wrong, the captain of the (flag)ship is responsible for what happens on his watch. Thorpe needs to be held accountable.

RE: Do you believe Roy?

After reading the latest N&O article, I'm growing more and more convinced that this is much ado about nothing. Looks suspicious, but may not have been illegal or violated NCAA rules in any way. Seems to me more like a crummy department that students, including student athletes, took advantage of in order to boost their GPAs.
- Posted by chapelthrill2012

Really? Then why is Deborah Crowder, a retiree from UNC who worked in the African and Afro-American Studies Dept. refusing to answer any questions from UNC investigators?

People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.
- Posted by tommybrownnc
If I had worked in an area that was under investigation by the SBI for possible criminal activity, I would be saying as little as possible regardless of whether or not I was guilty of anything.
- Posted by The1

my thoughts, too. There are some criminal activities very possible for her.

RE: Do you believe Roy?

The Poole Commission was formed by Spangler and led by Samuel Poole, a vice chairman on the BoG. He retained 3 SBI agents who conducted the interviews. It was those 4 men who made up the Poole Commission.

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