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  • WolfPackInTheHizzouse Nov 20, 2012
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    so..... I nailed it, didn't I??

    thanks, so much.

    I'll be here all week, folks.

  • Demwhiteboyscanplay Nov 20, 2012
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    lets say about 60 yrs.

  • randythorntonv3 Nov 20, 2012
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    I have given you my opinion on the subject but you do not want to accept my explanation. That is a you problem.

    I am going to ask you again.

    You go into a store to buy something. You pick out the product, you put a deposit down of over 30%, the vendor says, "Mr Thomas , where can we send the bill too?" Lance gives him an address.

    Why does the vendor need to ask where he got the 30K? When I buy a car, the car dealer doesnt ask me where I got the money for the down payment.

    Second, how do you know the jeweler knew he was a student?

    If he had 30k, I assume the jeweler thought he could pay the remaining 70k. Pretty simple.

  • DooksucksV3 Nov 20, 2012
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    The poor thing, not only can't it claim the college it pulls for but that college is totally embarrassed and destroyed during the past week wrecking its fragile ego further.

    Add to that a lifetime of being vertically challenged........

    If its fragile inferior ego weren't so sad, it would be comical.

    Scratch that, it is comical.

  • DooksucksV3 Nov 20, 2012
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    How did he have the money or means?
    How many other students are allowed to walk out the door with 100K in jewelry with a 30K down payment, remainder due in 15 days and no job?

    All you have to do is answer a simple question, but you continue to chase your tail.

    All your anger and lashing out does is show that you have absolutely no clue as to what you are talking about.

  • Das Thorpedo Nov 20, 2012
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    That banner is kind of like his schlong; he doesn't want anybody touching it.

  • Das Thorpedo Nov 20, 2012
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    Well played, sir. You are a scholar and a gentleman.

  • The Texas Butler Nov 20, 2012
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    And keep your trailer park hands off our banner.

  • randythorntonv3 Nov 20, 2012
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    Sad, so sad. You do know that actual Duke fans will not be the ones taking the banners down dont you?

  • SilentSam Nov 20, 2012
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    We say NO DEAL.

    You'll keep your filthy "Jersey Shore" hands off our banners, period.

  • WolfPackInTheHizzouse Nov 20, 2012
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    LOL

    it married a duke grad, but she can't be that bright... so I'm apt to agree with ya.. likely, it's gold digging attempt FAILED miserably, much like most of its posts in here... and thus, it's left to its menial labor job, and INability to acquire life's finer things.

    G'times.

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Nov 20, 2012
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    Poor Holes.....an article comes out about the years and years of cheating, and all they want to talk about is jewelry. You boys need to worry about your school's many years of no-show classes with a little cut-and-paste parties mixed in. Notice how the article says the basketball team stopped using the old adviser in the fall of 09?

    And y'all want to talk about the 2010 banner? Here's a deal, we will take our 2010 banner down when you take you 2009 and 2005 banners down. What do you say?

  • randythorntonv3 Nov 20, 2012
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    Sorry, I would say I do.

    Seems like you folks are the ones that do not understand or should I say, you DO NOT want to understand how this transaction took place.

    If you have the money and means, you do not have to go through the normal channels of credit checks all the time. The jeweler I have dealt with over the years has never done a credit check on me. He just sends me a bill.

    But I guess if your sorry azz walked in, first they would check for weapons and then they would do a credit check. I dbout prison guards purchase much high end jewelry.

  • SilentSam Nov 20, 2012
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    Cheating actually goes back to the Dawn of Man.

    Only in the feverish, delusional minds of the ABC crowd did it all "allegedly" begin with The Flagship.

    Pretty funny stuff, yet sadly pathetic.

  • DooksucksV3 Nov 20, 2012
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    Apparently you don't know finance as well as you claim.

  • randythorntonv3 Nov 20, 2012
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    First of all, he put 30k down.

    Second of all, if this is a jeweler that deals with athletes and young African American athletes I bet he deals like this all the time. It is not like he went to Kay Jewelers.

    How would the jeweler know what Lance's mother's situation was.

    Lastly, as I have said before, I have purchased jewelry and put a deposit down and then received a bill in the mail. No credit was extended. It was understood I would pay the balance when the bill was received. There was no credit check or anything. Difference is, I paid my balance and Lance did not.

    You seem to want to ignore the fact that he put 30k down. If he put 30k down, I bet the jeweler thought he was good for the remaining balance.

  • DooksucksV3 Nov 20, 2012
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    Since you know about financing, they also look at your ability to repay the loan in question.
    Again, why would a jeweler extend 70K in credit to an unemployed college student with a middle class single mother?
    I am still awaiting your reply.

  • WolfPackInTheHizzouse Nov 20, 2012
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    Why are you worried about it, lil larr??? you gonna CALL THE LAW???

    LMBAO!!!

    pastel lovers never cease to make me laugh.

  • Prof. Swahili Nov 19, 2012
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    Don't you ever talk about Dean like that again.

  • larrys080 Nov 19, 2012
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    What county are you dealing drugs in?

  • randythorntonv3 Nov 19, 2012
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    When you buy a car and say you are putting 10k down, does the dealer ask where you got it or take it and subtract it from the total?

    Opinion again, not fact. And I have bought 3 houses, many cars and tons of jewelry so I know how financing works. It is pretty obvious you have no clue.

  • Go Lee County Nov 19, 2012
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    i guess that caused state to get hammered by OSU last night...

  • Chapel Hail Nov 19, 2012
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    ... the truth has never been the rule at UNC, but karma has teeth!

  • WolfPackInTheHizzouse Nov 19, 2012
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    jelly-of-the-month!

    period.

    exclamation point!

  • TsKaMF Nov 19, 2012
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    to 12/11/1789.

  • Metta World Biff Nov 19, 2012
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    Because a former tutor from 2003-2010 said she saw instances of plagiarism from a football player and a female athlete?

  • BeastOnTheHill Nov 19, 2012
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    a total id!0T

  • BeastOnTheHill Nov 19, 2012
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    Cheating goes back to the beginning of mankind. So, what's the point here.

  • kmor2012 Nov 19, 2012
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    poor Dean SMith.....the most overrated coach of all time takes another black eye......sad.

  • chapelthrillv2 Nov 19, 2012
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    Where did the $30k come from?

    And I doubt they would get the same deal. Financing doesn't work that way.

  • randythorntonv3 Nov 19, 2012
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    If they put 30k down, they would get same deal.

    It is really not that hard.

  • Metta World Biff Nov 19, 2012
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    Why did that article make a leap to claiming 20+ years based on unquoted interviews of a tutor/grad-student from 2003-2010?

  • WolfPackInTheHizzouse Nov 19, 2012
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    ^^^^more diversionary tactics.

    the cheating at the hole has been around for DECADES, and the sooner you come to grips with that reality, the sooner your blood pressure will return to its "marginally high" but normal for you, level.

    Maybe you should watch a video of mountain streams and sunsets on the beach.

  • unc70 Nov 19, 2012
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    It is relevant to what was said at Bill Friday's memorial which is reportedly what what motivated Willingham to blog on this issue, which seems to have been what drew Kane's myopic attention.

    I was a friend of Bill Friday's, attended his memorial, and watched it again from my DVR. I have repeatedly posted that I am generally in agreement with him. We only discussed this a little in that wonderful way he had of asking people for they would do about some problem, and then really listening to what they said. I was more likely to be asked something like "What are we going to do about poverty?" or about innovation in my field.

    Maybe you should watch the video from his memorial.

  • SilentSam Nov 19, 2012
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    state college Mediocrity goes back way further than 20+ years...hence, this thread, and many many others like it.

    guhCHORTLE!!!

    (This was one of the best weekends EVER for Flagship Athletics heeheeheeheehee!) Two state college SPANKINGS, one dook SPANKING = UNC Happy :-)

  • WolfPackInTheHizzouse Nov 19, 2012
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    there was still NO point to your "sentence"... as far as being relevant to the current situation at cheater hill.

    sorry.

  • unc70 Nov 19, 2012
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    I removed the initial extra "while" beginning the sentence. I have been in caregiver mode this week and my only net access is using my phone. Makes proof reading difficult.

  • DooksucksV3 Nov 19, 2012
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    Were you able to get all of the orange off of your rear?

    I imagine not with all of the hurt coming through.

  • WolfPackInTheHizzouse Nov 19, 2012
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    the embarrassment from the embarrassing ones, never ceases to amuse.

    be it morning
    noon
    or night.

    tis rather.... what they do.

    most sadly.

  • DooksucksV3 Nov 19, 2012
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    The deflection from the inferior ones is quite amusing this morning.

  • kato_karma.v3 Nov 19, 2012
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    Yes it is.

    Wonder if we'll see a normal working hours post about that embarrassing Leslie, Howell, Wood, and Brown performance against OSU in Puerto Rico.

  • WolfPackInTheHizzouse Nov 19, 2012
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    LOL @ this one trying to talk you into a big CIRCLE by saying NOTHING... with its run-on sentence that has no meaning.

    you can tell just how embarrassed they (pastel pansy fans) are, when they write drivel like that...

    I'm embarrassed for it.

  • weakened back Nov 19, 2012
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    well at least it is monday.

  • WolfPackInTheHizzouse Nov 19, 2012
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    LOL

    how embarrassing.

    still.

  • unc70 Nov 19, 2012
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    Critique of N&O article:

    UNC "tolerated" cheating. Really? Willingham's own example from 2008 contradicts that claim. (The toleration of big time college football, in general and in the article, is a separate discussion.)

    So in 2008 Willingham reported problems involving Wiley and three football players, but she implies that nothing was done in response, she moved to a different job at UNC, and the article implies that The University took no actions until the NCAA investigation in 2010. No actions except terminating Wiley as a tutor, expelling at least one of the players for Honor Code violations, replacing several people responsible for academic support programs for athletes, reined in "no-show" classes under direction of Dean Bobbi Owen and Faculty Chair McKay Coble, and started internal investigations that lead to the NCAA investigations.

    Look at the timeline of events again. A couple of key dates. One was summer of 2010 when there was that single independent-study AA course a year after the practice had supposedly been made off limits unless granted an a specific exception and with full disclosure.

    The second important date is 1 July 2008 -- Holden Thorp became Chancellor.

    The N&O article is a deceptive hit piece. Note just how little is attributed to Willingham specifically and how much is not her statements, but made to suggest they were by being in the same paragraph, immediately following.

  • unc70 Nov 19, 2012
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    This CBS blogger took Kane's deliberately misleading article and tries to fraudulently build upon it even more allegations. The inflammatory headlines are not supported by anything in Kane's article. The next post has my critique of Kane's article and the disconnect between his headline and allegations and the many facts now in evidence. I forgot in that critique that his claim that Willingham was the first "insider" to speak publicly is pure nonsense. Also the allegation that no one had responded to problems. The article describes at least one counter example, Dean Bobbi Owen.

    Willingham makes no claims of witnessing cheating going back twenty years. The article has her stating that "special admits" have existed since at least the early 1990's. She sees the growing disparity in academic preparedness between some athletes, particularly those playing revenue sports, and the great majority of their classmates, coupled with the pressure to maintain "eligibility" of players whose academic abilities and educational backgrounds are woefully inadequate creates environments destined to erode and corrupt the academic standards and integrity of students, professors, tutors, coaches, administrators in ways large and small. But special admits are at the center of the conflict between athletics and academics at all schools, not just UNC, and Willingham did research on many schools for her thesis.

    It was these larger issues that Hodding Carter so forcefully addressed in his remarks at the memorial service for Friday. Bill Friday some years ago had persuaded Carter to move to Chapel Hill and become the Knight Commission on College Athletics, which along with the Institute and academic departments makes Chapel Hill the primary nexus for these topics, an irony that makes the actions of the former AA Chair even more frustrating.

    Whether you love or hate Carolina, don't be misled by this claptrap.

  • DooksucksV3 Nov 19, 2012
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    We know by the court documents what went down, and they are all that is needed to strip that title.
    They are trying to give Lance and Dook the benefit of the doubt since it would be the first time a title was stripped, but unfortunately for Dook those pesky legal documents are doing them in.

    What a sad and embarrassing day when the illegally gotten banner is lowered, rolled and burned.

    K should go ahead and do the right thing, but he does not have the courage.

  • DooksucksV3 Nov 19, 2012
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    Can you document any other student with no source of income that would be given the same deal?

    I will await your return with such info.

  • DooksucksV3 Nov 19, 2012
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    Hmmm....Might be the fact that he had no job and the jewelry was worth more than his mother made in two years.

    That might also be why the NCAA is interested and why Lance has said he will talk to the NCAA since all they need is the court documents to strip Dook of the NCAA title.

  • DooksucksV3 Nov 19, 2012
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    Poor little ruined thing. I've hurt you so deeply that you have to lash out in vile ways.

    How embarrassing for your family.

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