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  • BattlingBishop 5 Jan 29, 2013
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    +1

  • kato_karma.v4 Jan 29, 2013
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    Jack "Goose" Givens...

    occupies a special place in dookie hearts.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=user7UhAjg4

  • 903 mens national championships Jan 29, 2013
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    The Show was classic. Another good one, Darvin Ham...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm68fBOldPchttp://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1996/0325_large.jpg

  • BattlingBishop 5 Jan 29, 2013
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    I heard The Show changed the spelling of his last name from Arceneaux to Arsoneaux after the game. Guess he had his reasons.

  • MoDuke v2 is gone Jan 29, 2013
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    Yes, that game still occupies a special place in my heart. :)

  • VT1994Hokie Jan 29, 2013
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    Good topic battling. Loads of hits on this one.

  • BattlingBishop 5 Jan 29, 2013
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    haha....the fishing has been good today.

  • kato_karma.v4 Jan 29, 2013
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    dook: last 8 seasons...1 progression to Elite 8 or better

    UNC: last 8 seasons...6 progressions to Elite 8 or better

    rather startling, when you think about it.

  • StunGunn Jan 29, 2013
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    Oh, I remember that. Yeah, that was kind of our Lehigh. I think I was more mad than embarrassed though.

  • DooksucksV3 Jan 29, 2013
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    I've showed my work in my threads, go have a look. Lance Thomas still can not explain any of it.

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Jan 29, 2013
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    Yes, I believe that 2-4 seeds in the tourney are basically toss ups. A 4 is usually a quality win or one less loss away from either a 3 or a 2 seed. I think that #5-#16(overall-not seeds) have about the same chance of winning the dance year in and year out. 4 seeds, however, do get stuck with that dreaded 12 seed game in which the 12 seed is usually a decent team, but I really do think that 2/15 and 3/14 are washes.

    I also agree with you that neither one of those teams deserved the seeds they got in those tourneys.

  • wmarti Jan 29, 2013
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    either that or he is saying that 2=3...LOL at whichever

  • wmarti Jan 29, 2013
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    Let's just say that neither of us deserved (on hindsight) those seeds those particular years....

  • The1 Jan 29, 2013
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    Actually, it seems like he is trying to say that 2 > 3.

  • wmarti Jan 29, 2013
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    the numbes are thus:

    Duke #2 seed
    UNC #3 seed

    Are you saying that 2 and 3 are equal?

    I hope not

    those are the numbers...not opinions

  • Tar Heels Victory-Show No Mercer Jan 29, 2013
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    Living in the past, as usual! FAIL! LOL!

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Jan 29, 2013
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    Since it looks like you are trying to do some research, how is it coming with the UNLV game throwing or the Duke illegal player research?

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Jan 29, 2013
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    someone needs to brush up on their opinions v. numbers comparisons.

  • kato_karma.v4 Jan 29, 2013
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    Mehh...

    Weber State loses in the next round in OT to a tough Florida team (6-seed).

    Lehigh loses in the next round by 12 to a so-so Xavier team (10-seed).

    All signs point to dook being the more embarrassing flameout, by far.

  • DooksucksV3 Jan 29, 2013
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    Sports Illustrated disagrees with you, and I take their word over yours:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/ted_keith/03/17/lehigh.upsets.duke/index.htmlSooner or later, it seems, the Madness always arrives, and when it does it tends to do so, like famous deaths, in multiples. On Friday night, death came early for three of the game's most famous teams: Missouri (knocked out by Norfolk State), Michigan, a four-seed in the Midwest that was dumped by Ohio out in Nashville, and, of course, Duke.

    Of that trio, none can match the Blue Devils' cachet, making their demise by far the most stunning. Missouri has never been to a Final Four, and Michigan hasn't even made the Sweet 16 in this century. Duke, meanwhile, is as much a part of March as the tournament itself. The Blue Devils have reached the Sweet 16 in 11 of the past 13 years, advancing to four Final Fours in that time and winning two national titles.

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Jan 29, 2013
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    plenty of ways to spin that. There was hardly the parity in college basketball in 1999 as there was last year.

    12 point favorite took a L last year
    13 point favorite took a L in 1999

  • kato_karma.v4 Jan 29, 2013
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    No way to spin a #2 seed loss as equally embarrassing as a #3 seed loss...

    especially when you have the best X's & O's coach in the game today.

    (lol...on second-hand, that X's and O's thing is just opinion)

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Jan 29, 2013
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    the point is that both the Weber State and Lehigh losses were equally as embarrassing. Not once have I mentioned anything about who is the best program. Carolina has more wins and titles than Duke, and I have never disputed that fact. I use numbers, but your boys on here use opinions.

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Jan 29, 2013
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    Provide proof that UNLV was paid to lose that game and that K used an illegal player.

    I'll catch back up with you later, because it is going to take you a while.

  • DooksucksV3 Jan 29, 2013
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    Trying to diminish its sadness.

    Priceless.

  • ReasonableJacobSummers Jan 29, 2013
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    ROFL! Thats when they make the rare appearance in the tourney!

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Jan 29, 2013
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    22.5>12

    no need to try again, princess.

  • DooksucksV3 Jan 29, 2013
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    I find it interesting that you count the game UNLV players were paid to lose and the one where K had an illegally paid player.

    I guess you believe Nixon was not a crook as well?

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Jan 29, 2013
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    Sorry that K was given two of the top programs in history. I could win at UNC or Kansas.

    K 4 titles
    Huck 2

    Game over

  • wmarti Jan 29, 2013
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    explanation: We sucked those years

    Trying to figure your point in all this? Are you trying to suggest that Duke is a better program than UNC?

    If so, by what measure?

    Games won?...no that can't be it....National Championships won? NO not that either...

    You guys hang you hat on your coach...you should. In my opinion he's the best that has ever stepped on the hardwood....

    Be happy with that.

    But don't go trying to say that Duke is a better program than Carolina....sorry cuz, but that aint going to fly...not by anyone outside of the Duke persuasion.

  • DooksucksV3 Jan 29, 2013
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    Missouri has a hall of fame coach?

    Nope? Try again sunshine.

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Jan 29, 2013
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    both Missouri and Duke were two seeds

    Missouri 22.5 point favorite
    Duke point 12 favorite

    Next..............

  • DooksucksV3 Jan 29, 2013
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    And yet Roy has only missed NCAA tournament once compared to 7 times for Kiwi.

    Those facts do sting, no matter how far Dookies try to twist them.

  • DooksucksV3 Jan 29, 2013
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    Using that is just a way to say "I have nothing else".

    Seeding is all that matters.

    And with the "legend" Kiwi at the helm, the failure is that much worse.

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Jan 29, 2013
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    but not near as embarrassing as needing a game saving tackle to make the NIT final....only to lose.

  • DooksucksV3 Jan 29, 2013
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    And Dook's loss to Miami was top 4 worst all time by a #1 team.
    Dook continues to find new ways to be embarrassing.

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Jan 29, 2013
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    oh...I'm sorry. I guess you can't count.

    22.5 is greater than 12.

    Opinion vs Numbers

  • weakened back Jan 29, 2013
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    i think dook is the only #1 ranked regular season team to lose by more than 20 this century.

  • DooksucksV3 Jan 29, 2013
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    Nope, you are wrong.

    Dook by Lehigh is considered the biggest upset in NCAA tournament history. Live with it like a man.

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Jan 29, 2013
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    name other marquee team who has won the title and then made an appearance in the NIT the next year.
    Also explain the beginning of the century when you missed the dance not once, but twice.

  • wmarti Jan 29, 2013
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    tends to happen when, after winning national championships, there is a mass exodus of underclassmen to the NBA.

  • kato_karma.v4 Jan 29, 2013
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    LOL.

    You remember your wish -- and you got it.

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Jan 29, 2013
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    Ga Tech was division champs. Division champs play for the ACC title. I didn't see UNC in that game.

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Jan 29, 2013
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    No problem. I like to pull for conference teams to not shame the conference by not making the dance. I am sure you can under-stand that.

  • kato_karma.v4 Jan 29, 2013
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    Just like he was hoping UNC would win the divisional title in football but not get to go to a bowl.

  • The1 Jan 29, 2013
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    That's the spirit!

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Jan 29, 2013
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    "Utter Failure" works, too.

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Jan 29, 2013
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    You underachieved with your hyphen.....

    I am pulling for the Holes to make the dance this year.

  • The1 Jan 29, 2013
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    How about

    "NIT appearances"

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Jan 29, 2013
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    what would we call NIT appearances?

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