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  • BeastOfTheHill Feb 14, 2013
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    sad to see the dookies exit the ncaa's so early each year which is what has been demonstrated will be their fate by the past few games. and LEHIGH.

  • thatrollslayer Feb 14, 2013
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    What is sad about beating your arch rival exactly?

  • BeastOfTheHill Feb 14, 2013
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    sad with that "best x & o's coach in the country" which is the bigget joke of them all.

    LOL, whoever came up with that one cracks me up!

  • DooksucksV3 Feb 14, 2013
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    Sad for a paid team, isn't it?

  • BeastOfTheHill Feb 14, 2013
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    mighty funny how the 40 point victory became just 5 with that all world coach and those all world players and that all everything venue. LOL, poor lil d00k, is that all they got?

  • thatrollslayer Feb 14, 2013
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    JMM: 9pts, 8 rebs, 1-5 from the stripe, team lost because he can't make free throws.

    Mason: 18pts, 11 rebs, 6-8 from the stripe, team won because he made free throws.

    So, why would he be upset exactly? Did you catch the post game interview? He looked pretty happy to me, as he should be.

  • ACCFAN1 Feb 14, 2013
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    Then unc got beat by an "average" team. I'm sure you feel good about yourself.

  • Lux Libertas Feb 14, 2013
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    dook looked anything but "mighty" last night.

    They looked rather "average" to be honest.

    I think I saw PlumUglee cry at one point, after he got FACED by James Michael one of those times.

  • DooksucksV3 Feb 14, 2013
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    Hal with another inferior prediction.

    How sad for it and its 40 personalities.

  • flairrick Feb 13, 2013
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    Sorry dude, I am not the one making the silly posts, you are.

  • dUNCe Feb 13, 2013
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    Great game by the Heels tonight. If Carolina can play with confidence like this in the games they have left it's gonna turn this season around.

  • Tar Heels Victory-Show No Mercer Feb 13, 2013
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    He definitely did not do it in the paint!

  • Tar Heels Victory-Show No Mercer Feb 13, 2013
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    Who said anything about a moral victory? You are just making things up to try and get under my skin. Sorry, bud. I am fine with the game tonight. Losing to the #2 team on their home court by 5 points is okay in my book! Especially with the way they got beaten like a drum at Miami last week! Troll somewhere else. You may find someone that you can get upset! LOL!

    GO HEELS!!!!

  • Dr. Pwnt Feb 13, 2013
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    18 points, 11 rebounds > 9 points, 8 rebounds

    Simple math, really.

  • flairrick Feb 13, 2013
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    You have to love moral victories. How many is that for you folks this year?

  • Dr. Pwnt Feb 13, 2013
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    McAdon't - 9 points, 8 rebounds and one rejection by the Cameron Indoor rim.

    Plumlee - 18 points, 11 rebounds

    CHECKMATE.

  • The Honorable JacobSummers Feb 13, 2013
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    At home no less.

  • Lux Libertas Feb 13, 2013
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    James Michael McAdoo PUMMELED PlumUglee.

    Hope Perky had his eyes covered during those POSTERS. LMFFAO!!!

  • Tar Heels Victory-Show No Mercer Feb 13, 2013
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    Were they not ranked #2 and favored to do so?

  • flairrick Feb 13, 2013
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    Duke beat UNCheat.

  • thatrollslayer Feb 13, 2013
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    McAdoo had one shot tonight from mid range that didn't even come close to hitting anything. #scoutcringer

  • Lux Libertas Feb 13, 2013
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    Any NBA team GM that would select PlumUglee over James Michael "Stud" McAdoo will not have a job for very long.

    What a BEATDOWN Big James put on Perky's pouty boy tonight. Wow. He made Hindenburg for state college look like Wilt Chamberlain lol

    I think at one point I acually saw PlumUglee crying as he ran down the court after getting POSTERIZED (again) by Big James Michael.

    LOLOL good times!!!

  • thatrollslayer Feb 13, 2013
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    Great job pulling that post up from Lux earlier on in the day. Talk about clueless.

  • Dr. Pwnt Feb 13, 2013
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    LOL.

    Plumlee hit 4-4 down the stretch while UNC shot 5-12 in the final 5 minutes. You must be a direct descendant of the Myans, no?

  • StunGunn Feb 13, 2013
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    I guess it's the way they change the line to entice people to bet one way or the other that I find confusing. I'd rather do my "betting" at Crabtree Mall.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 13, 2013
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    heh heh! It's not that complicated. The spread is what it is. Just know that the spread sometimes changes, but when you make your bet, you are locked in on the spread at the time of the bet. It's kind of like a stock. You buy the stock at the going rate. Tomorrow, the stock price can be higher or lower. But you still paid whatever you paid for it.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 13, 2013
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    By CONTROLLING it.

    They say the mob isn't running Vegas. I'm not sure I believe that. I think they're just more cloaked now. The mob is wherever the money is, and the money is still in Vegas.

  • StunGunn Feb 13, 2013
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    And just when I thought I understood the spread thing,I don't! All I can say is GO HEELS!

  • StunGunn Feb 13, 2013
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    Hey, thanks! I keep up with the Canes and am LOVING how they did on their road trip - beating the Devils! (sorry, but I guess that's one Devil even youd' enjoy beating:) The Cane forum is a nice respite from these forums because most folks are pulling for the Canes.

  • FourAutumn Feb 13, 2013
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    How would they "know" that?

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 13, 2013
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    Most people that gamble ARE broke -- they didn't build them huge casinos from LOSING money!

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 13, 2013
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    They also consider public opinion. E.g., if the Dallas Cowboys are playing, well, anyone, they know a certain percentage of gamblers are going to bet on America's Team regardless of how good they are. Likewise, people are less likely to bet on an "unknown" team, even if they are good, because they aren't familiar with them. Things like that factor into the spread.

    But where the house advantage comes in is in "the juice". When gamblers WIN a bet, the casino only pays out, say, 90% of what they bet. So if they bet $100, and their team wins, they only get paid $90 (plus they get to keep their original $100). However, when gamblers LOSE, they lose the full amount. So if there is equal betting on both sides, the house keeps ALL the losing bets, and only pays out 90% of the winning bets. So the house makes 10%. That is "the juice". The house doesn't care who wins or loses, or who is SUPPOSED to win or SUPPOSED to lose. The house only cares about the JUICE.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 13, 2013
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    Unless they "know" it's going to be closer than that. Then the casinos WIN big.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 13, 2013
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    True, I was trying to keep it as simple as possible for JG. She always posts about not understanding the whole spread thing.

    You're right, if betting gets too skewed in favor of one team, then Vegas realizes the spread needs to entice betting on the other team. So they will increase or decrease the spread as needed to get the bets on the other team.

  • FourAutumn Feb 13, 2013
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    At least in my opinion, the early line is more indicative of how Vegas thinks the game is going to go. What happens from then, absent unusual situations(injuries, suspensions, etc.), is driven by the flow of money.

  • thatrollslayer Feb 13, 2013
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    On a side note jgunn, I'm trying to get the Canes forum going again since coming back to this site. I know you are Caniac and people like you on here, so your input would be appreciate over there for sure.

  • thatrollslayer Feb 13, 2013
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    I think the better question is has he ever seen basketball period.

  • Brackettville Feb 13, 2013
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    Have you even seen Plumlee play or shoot free-throws this season?

    Nevermind. You'll see it tonight.

  • thatrollslayer Feb 13, 2013
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    Complicated at its core, but easy for the common individual to play and feel good about winning. The ultimate recipe for making loads of money off people.

  • BeastOnTheHill Feb 13, 2013
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    mighty who?

  • StunGunn Feb 13, 2013
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    I a have a friend whose son works in the betting business; it seems very complicated to me. It is very interesting, though I'm glad I'm not a betting person - I'd be broke!

  • thatrollslayer Feb 13, 2013
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    Also keep in mind WHO sets lines for the major Vegas casinos. You are talking about a mixture of some of the brightest statisticians in the world and greatest handicappers known to man. They will always set lines to THEIR advantage (house always has the upper hand) no matter if it appears that way or not to the common gambler or even the most experienced. Just something to always keep in mind.

  • StunGunn Feb 13, 2013
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    Thanks, Autumn. So this means Vegas doesn't want us to think the game will be a blowout, and therefore entice people to bet on Carolina - that IS interesting.

  • FourAutumn Feb 13, 2013
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    What Vegas "knows" is how much money is being bet on each side. And the spread is being set to even it out. If more people are betting on Duke, the spread will go from 11 to 12 to get more money on UNC.

    If Vegas truly believes Duke is going to win by 15, how would they benefit by only giving UNC 11 points? Folks are going to bet heavy on Duke and the casinos lose.

  • FourAutumn Feb 13, 2013
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    The counter to that is that if money is pouring in on Duke to win by 11, than the line is going to move up to entice more to bet on UNC. In a perfect world, Vegas wants the same number of people winning their bet as the number losing their bet with the casino keeping the juice

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 13, 2013
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    Vegas doesn't really care if Duke covers the spread or not. The spread just determines who wins or loses their bets.

    It's just a handicapping thing that enables people to bet on the losing team and still win their bets. Think about it, in a game where one team is heavily favored to win, no one in their right mind would bet on their opponent to win the game. BUT, if you add points to the underdog's score to handicap the favored team, then people can bet on them. Because they don't have to win the game. They just have to not lose by more than X amount of points.

    In this case, I would expect Duke to win by 15+, if not more. So I figure more people are betting on Duke to cover that 11-point handicap than on Carolina. If Duke doesn't win by at least 11, then more people are going to lose their bets than the ones that win their bets. When I see spreads that seem pretty far off base like this one, it makes me wonder if Vegas "knows something" and are encouraging people to bet more on Duke. Sometimes I think that happens.

  • StunGunn Feb 13, 2013
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    This is why I don't understand bets and therefore don't bet. It should be a no brainer: if Vegas had Duke by 20, it might be harder to cover the spread. But Duke by 11??? Is that to entice more people to take the bait? Unless #23 has another year of eligibility and he'll make his debut tonight, I have NO idea how Duke is only favored by 11. This is one case where I hope what happens in Vegas DOESN'T stay in Vegas: I hope it makes its way to Durham:)

  • Lux Libertas Feb 13, 2013
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    This might actually fool someone who just logged in to the site within the last hour or two.

    Everyone else...not so much.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 13, 2013
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    Only if the refs are to blame.

    Remember, I only blame State's loss to Wake on the refs. None of the other losses.

  • anderson Feb 13, 2013
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    And if Carolina were to pull off a miracle (and yes, it would be a sports miracle), you can dang well believe TBK will be the first one blaming the refs, even though he's a packerbacker

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