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  • 903 Hail Providence Dec 26, 2013
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    http://www.wdrb.com/story/24308303/bozich-louisville-kentucky-trumps-north-carolina-duke-in-rivalry-debate

    LOUISVILLE, Ky. (WDRB) – Sometimes ESPN wraps all 17 of its channels around a story and then they shake it like a tambourine. Perhaps you have noticed.

    Red Sox-Yankees. Tiger Woods, decades after his last major championship victory. That left-handed kid who played quarterback at Florida.

    Then there is the other story that lights up my keyboard every college basketball season: The tall tale that Duke vs. North Carolina is the greatest rivalry in college basketball.

    It isn't.

    Louisville vs. Kentucky is more compelling, ferocious and decisive.

    Duke and North Carolina not only live eight miles apart, they live in the same league. They play Feb. 12, March 8 and maybe one more time in the Atlantic Coast Conference Tournament.

    That's not a rivalry. That's an NBA playoffs mini-series.

    There's no do-over in the U of L-UK rivalry. You win, you own Tweetdeck for the rest of the season. You lose, you have to smell the ugliness of your meltdown for 364 days.

    Unless you meet again in the NCAA Final Four.

    Somebody get Christian Laettner on line 32. Ask him this: Which two programs have met on that Final Four stage?

    Simply because the folks in Bristol, Conn., keep screaming that Carolina-Duke Is The Best Rivalry In College Basketball doesn't make it so. It makes me wonder why ESPN keeps ignoring its own research.

    Which research?

    The TV ratings numbers that show that Louisville has been the top-metered market for college basketball telecasts for 11 consecutive years. Any market can have one great year. Try having 11.

    It isn't close. Louisville's Nielsen number (4.5) last season was substantially better than the runner-up (3.1 by Greensboro, N.C.).

  • 903 Hail Providence Dec 26, 2013
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    The Fuss Factor is simply higher here. Folks have more reasons to fuss. When the call-in lines go quiet in July, all you have to do is compare the two programs' recruiting or league affiliations. There is instant angst when you mention guys like Rick Pitino, Kenny Payne or Wayne Turner who have wandered across enemy lines.

    Sticking with Carolina-Duke as The Rivalry is so 2010, which happens to be the last time either one of those lordly programs won a national championship.

    Kentucky and Louisville reign as the Twin Spires of the game, with the Cardinals hoisting the 2013 NCAA championship trophy to match the one Kentucky carried out of New Orleans in 2012.

    I don't believe either program -- or coach -- is finished. John Calipari came to Lexington determined to prove he could do things better than Rick Pitino, who has responded by proving he can do things better than Calipari, who needs to show he can respond to Pitino's spirited response.

    There's a story that when Calipari interviewed for the Kentucky job in a Chicago hotel room in 2009 that one line that he used to sell himself as the only guy for the position is that it wouldn't be long until he had Pitino waking up in the middle of the night worrying about him.

    One of Cal's pals said it this way: They were coming to Kentucky to take control of this state and that if Pitino needed to be "steam-rolled," then look out for the steamroller.

    Cal signed John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins, Eric Bledsoe, Brandon Knight, Terrence Jones, Anthony Davis, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Marquis Teague (ouch!), beat Pitino and Louisville four straight and won his national championship.

    Steam-Roll City?

    Hah.

    Nobody steam-rolls Rick Pitino. He didn't get to the Basketball Hall of Fame -- or get his name hung in the rafters at Rupp Arena -- by conceding an inch to any coach, even one that collects McDonald's all-Americans like golf tees.

  • 903 Hail Providence Dec 26, 2013
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    One season after Calipari won his first national title, Pitino beat Kentucky and then won his second NCAA championship – and became the only coach to win one at two schools.

    He delivered in a way that had Calipari waking up worrying about him in the middle of the night -- with living, breathing seniors and juniors, guys who were actually on campus more than nine months.

    If Kentucky was going to be a "players first," program, then Pitino quickly branded Louisville as the place where the program ruled. The Cardinals play for the name on the front of their jerseys, not the names on the back.

    That is Pitino's pitch. Can anybody guess what he's talking about?

    The fussing continues Saturday in Rupp Arena. StubHub says you won't be able to get inside for less than $194.25. Make that $3,479 if you prefer to sit in row BB, Section 31 – prime real estate at center court.

    Calipari needs to win to stop Pitino from appearing to have a better way. Pitino needs to win to keep Calipari's young team from celebrating its first signature victory.

    College basketball fans have already won: They're enjoying the best rivalry in the game.

  • The truth about MERCER! Dec 26, 2013
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    A TV reported from Louisville, KY says "Don't believe ESPN, believe me" and instantly 903 is a Kentucky fan. SMH

  • zanerxcubed Dec 26, 2013
    Bench Warmer

    Yep, he has sniffed out Duke's downward trajectory, and is looking for any bandwagon to latch on to.

    Melancholy, really.

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Dec 26, 2013
    Sports Legend

    If you post the link, there is no reason to copy and paste the article.

  • RDI Dec 26, 2013
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    Not sure why the brain dead does that, I think he feels it forces us to read it lol

  • onceacarolinafan Dec 26, 2013
    Rookie

    Really

  • BogeyBoy Dec 26, 2013
    Sports Legend

    He may have a point. The UK - Louisville rivalry is a little more competitive in recent times. Louisville is only 5-9 against UK since the 1999 season which doesn't sound all that great but it's still better than UNC's 11-24 record in the games against Duke during that span.

  • zanerxcubed Dec 27, 2013
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    By a whopping 35% to 31%. Wow.

  • Toddler10-21 Dec 27, 2013
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    Both are great rilvaries. I think Ville/ku has alot of hatred like bama/auburn. A lot of friendship in the off season between Unc/duke between the players. Unc/state was the rilvary when I was growing up, but state hasn't beengreat in awhile. Unc better start winning some games against duke.

  • StunGunn Dec 27, 2013
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    I believe in their respective states, the rivalries are equal, but on a national stage, the Duke/Carolina rivalry is still more interesting. Ratings may say otherwise, and maybe it's my ACC bias, but I think Duke/Carolina is THE rivalry in college sports.

    Kentucky and Louisville won in 2012 and 2013, but Carolina and Duke won in 2009 and 2010, and both schools won nattys in the last decade.

    Interesting article, though.

  • StunGunn Dec 27, 2013
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    I'm lazy, so it was one less click for me:)

  • larrys080 Aggies Dec 27, 2013
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    903 (tiny) is obviously feeling very small.

  • Leave it to Beaver Reruns Dec 27, 2013
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    they say ESPN hypes up the Duke UNC rivalry and that is the only reason it is better. But, year in and year out the Duke UNC game is the highest rated college basketball game played on ESPN. Money doesn't lie, and the money is on Duke vs. UNC.

    Oh....here is another little nugget- UL and UK have played 45 times. Duke and UNC have played 39 times when both teams were ranked in the top 10. That is what you call a walk off.

  • DookLast WonABowl1961 Dec 27, 2013
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    Last year ESPN hyped up our home game with UNC and made it a game day show for TV. Of course State is no rival of UNC cause they have killed us for decades! Occassionally we win a game like last year but it is rare. As long as we have the coaches and AD we have we will never get any better. Go pack

  • IronRam Dec 27, 2013
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    True Dat on 903...does anyone find it ironic it pulls for Dook but knows not how to post a link, or maybe it's beyond it's comprehension...hmmmmm...

  • BogeyBoy Dec 27, 2013
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    I agree that 35% isn't much to brag about. But still, a rivalry where a team is winning only 31% of the time in recent years is certainly less competitive.

  • Old Well Drinks Dec 27, 2013
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    ... ESPN has too many Heel homers on the payroll, that's all, it's the last vestiges of would be sports journalists, but Fox Sports is on the rise, all in due time.

  • larrys080 Aggies Dec 27, 2013
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    All the journalism in the world can't change State College and the epic egg they have laid over the last 30+ years!

    #nomoreexcuses

  • The truth about MERCER! Dec 27, 2013
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    If that is the case then dook football has not had a rival in over 20 years, unless you count NCCU.

  • BogeyBoy Dec 27, 2013
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    That's the analogy I was looking for. UNC basketball against Duke has been like Duke football against UNC. I mean, even with the two games you guys had to vacate for the proven rampant cheating going on in your program Duke still only managed to not lose 5 times out of the last 10 years. Duke football over the last 11 years has only been slightly more successful over the last 11 games than what UNC's basketball has been against Duke in the last 35 games.

    Thank you, that puts it in perspective.

  • Sheisafix8eddookie Dec 27, 2013
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    sure, sport. keep telling yourself that.

  • zanerxcubed Dec 27, 2013
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    Statistically insignificant. One loss by Louisville and one win by UNC makes the percentages equal.

  • kato_karma3.2 Dec 27, 2013
    Pro

    by the time booger-boy stops typing...

    dook will have flamed out to a lower seed again in the NCAAT.

  • BogeyBoy Dec 28, 2013
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    You are correct. Duke football has been more successful against UNC in the last 11 games going 3-6 for a 33% winning percentage than UNC basketball as been against Duke going 11-24 for a 31% winning percentage. That's of course not counting the two games your football team had to vacate because of your rampant cheating. Otherwise it would have been a 45% winning percentage.

    What I should have said to be accurate was that Duke football has been more successful over the last 11 games against UNC than what Tar Heel basketball has been against Duke over the last 35 games.

    Thank you for pointing out my error.

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