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UNC investigation tarnishes college sports ideal for some

Posted October 12, 2011

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— A high school senior and a former North Carolina Supreme Court Justice agreed Wednesday that scandals have tarnished the ideal of college sports. Both spoke at the weekly luncheon of the Raleigh Sports Club.

Evan McNeil, senior quarterback for Fuquay-Varina High School, was recognized as the club’s Student-Athlete of the Week. Attorney Robert Orr, former state Supreme Court Justice and current head of the North Carolina Institute for Constitutional Law, was the group’s guest speaker.

McNeil said he looks up to college football players and was disappointed by the year-long NCAA investigation into athletics at the University of North Carolina.

“It’s kind of sad to hear about how all of these schools and athletes are getting into trouble and affecting the game that we all love to watch,” McNeil said.

Orr said the real scandal is how college athletics operate in this country.

“Start looking at real reform instead of these Band-Aid approaches,” Orr said.

UNC investigation tarnishes college sports ideal for some UNC investigation tarnishes college sports ideal for some

Orr said the football players being blamed for wrong-doing at UNC are scapegoats of a corrupt system.

“We can take these kids and literally use them to make huge amounts of money and entertain all of us, and then say, but they don’t have any rights,” Orr said.

Orr has been a vocal critic of the NCAA's treatment of former UNC football player Michael McAdoo, who was declared permanently ineligible for academic misconduct. McAdoo is suing the NCAA and UNC saying he was ruled ineligible based on inaccurate information.

"A major problem with the NCAA disciplinary system is it consistently denies students basic due process rights," Orr said. "In addition to a lack of legal representation, in the NCAA system, the student is presumed guilty until proven innocent and is compelled to cooperate under threat of future penalty.

McNeil said he just wants to enjoy playing football and not worry about money. He said he would love to play college football at a place like North Carolina State University.

For him, the UNC investigation serves as a reminder to play by the rules on and off the field.

UNC is set to meet with the NCAA committee on infractions in Indianapolis on Oct. 28 to respond to allegations that players received preferential treatment and accepted impermissible benefits, a former assistant coach was too chummy with an agent and a tutor gave too much academic help to select players.

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  • TruthBKnown Banned Again02 Oct 13, 5:53 p.m.

    I don't care if you're a Carolina fan, a State fan, a Duke fan, or a Watoosie fan, I can... View More

    — Posted by warcraft27513

    Exactly. There were many times more who did nothing wrong than there were one who did. The... View More

    — Posted by Krzyzewskiectomy

    Not yet. But keep in mind, pretty much ALL these recruits are Butch Davis recruits. So it's more... View More

    — Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again02

    Sorry TBK, but I can't agree with you on that. Accusing these kids just because they were... View More

    — Posted by warcraft27513

    I'm not accusing them of anything. I'm saying, keep an eye on them. Butch brought in some GREAT recruits. Problem is, they're in it for themselves and will probably end up doing something else stupid.

    I said a long time ago that a three year probation may as well be the death penalty. Because I don't think Butch recruits can stay out of trouble that long. Good thing they put a lockdown on their Twitter accounts. :)

  • warcraft27513 Oct 13, 2:21 p.m.

    I thought we were talking about the athletics programs and NCAA rules, not what people do AFTER... View More

    — Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again02

    I don't care if you're a Carolina fan, a State fan, a Duke fan, or a Watoosie fan, I can... View More

    — Posted by warcraft27513

    Exactly. There were many times more who did nothing wrong than there were one who did. The... View More

    — Posted by Krzyzewskiectomy

    Not yet. But keep in mind, pretty much ALL these recruits are Butch Davis recruits. So it's more... View More

    — Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again02

    Sorry TBK, but I can't agree with you on that. Accusing these kids just because they were recruited by Butch Davis isn't fair to them. I'm willing to lay guilt where guilt is due, but that's stretching blame just a bit far.

  • truth9806 Oct 13, 2:09 p.m.

    It should be tarnished! College sports has taken a position in higher education than academia. We are so far away from what college athletics should be I think they should be eliminated!

  • DML Oct 13, 1:52 p.m.

    I bet Evan would love to play for NC State. Just curious, what scholarship offers does he currently have to play D1 football? I couldn't find ANYTHING about him on the scout prospect search.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again02 Oct 13, 1:15 p.m.

    You have had a number of players in multiple sports arrested for felonies. Is that the State way?

    — Posted by Krzyzewskiectomy

    I thought we were talking about the athletics programs and NCAA rules, not what people do AFTER... View More

    — Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again02

    I don't care if you're a Carolina fan, a State fan, a Duke fan, or a Watoosie fan, I can... View More

    — Posted by warcraft27513

    Exactly. There were many times more who did nothing wrong than there were one who did. The... View More

    — Posted by Krzyzewskiectomy

    Not yet. But keep in mind, pretty much ALL these recruits are Butch Davis recruits. So it's more than likely just a matter of time.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again02 Oct 13, 1:14 p.m.

    State's been clean since the late 80's. How about Carolina?

    — Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again02

    You have had a number of players in multiple sports arrested for felonies. Is that the State way?

    — Posted by Krzyzewskiectomy

    I thought we were talking about the athletics programs and NCAA rules, not what people do AFTER... View More

    — Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again02

    I could have sworn that things such as crimes against nature and accepting over $30,000 from an... View More

    — Posted by Krzyzewskiectomy

    You already lost this one. Move on.

    Every school also has lawbreakers while still in school, too. Stop pretending Carolina can take the high road over State. They most decidely can NOT.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again02 Oct 13, 1:12 p.m.

    State's been clean since the late 80's. How about Carolina?

    — Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again02

    You have had a number of players in multiple sports arrested for felonies. Is that the State way?

    — Posted by Krzyzewskiectomy

    I thought we were talking about the athletics programs and NCAA rules, not what people do AFTER... View More

    — Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again02

    I don't care if you're a Carolina fan, a State fan, a Duke fan, or a Watoosie fan, I can... View More

    — Posted by warcraft27513

    Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not the one that started down this road. I was talking about what the athletics programs do while student-athletes are still in college. Someone else took in in the other direction.

    I finished the conversation, though. If someone thinks State's athletes are dirty, now you've been educated that Carolina athletes are just as dirty, if not moreso (after leaving college).

  • Krzyzewskiectomy Oct 13, 1:09 p.m.

    State's been clean since the late 80's. How about Carolina?

    — Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again02

    You have had a number of players in multiple sports arrested for felonies. Is that the State way?

    — Posted by Krzyzewskiectomy

    I thought we were talking about the athletics programs and NCAA rules, not what people do AFTER... View More

    — Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again02

    I don't care if you're a Carolina fan, a State fan, a Duke fan, or a Watoosie fan, I can... View More

    — Posted by warcraft27513

    Exactly. There were many times more who did nothing wrong than there were one who did. The current team has no "stain" on it.

  • Krzyzewskiectomy Oct 13, 1:08 p.m.

    Hopefully not stained as badly as State has been for all these years.

    — Posted by Krzyzewskiectomy

    State's been clean since the late 80's. How about Carolina?

    — Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again02

    You have had a number of players in multiple sports arrested for felonies. Is that the State way?

    — Posted by Krzyzewskiectomy

    So have you. We're not talking about the poor choices people make after they leave school.

    — Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again02

    I've posted quite a few numbers of examples in the past of folks who were current State athletes who were charged (and convicted) of crimes. The one I posted yesterday was charged with crimes against nature. An example of the State way?
    It is ridiculous claiming an institutional mantra based on the actions of a few who chose to break the rules.

  • Krzyzewskiectomy Oct 13, 1:04 p.m.

    Hopefully not stained as badly as State has been for all these years.

    — Posted by Krzyzewskiectomy

    State's been clean since the late 80's. How about Carolina?

    — Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again02

    You have had a number of players in multiple sports arrested for felonies. Is that the State way?

    — Posted by Krzyzewskiectomy

    I thought we were talking about the athletics programs and NCAA rules, not what people do AFTER... View More

    — Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again02

    I could have sworn that things such as crimes against nature and accepting over $30,000 from an agent were against NCAA rules of conduct (two different players), maybe I am wrong.
    Quite a few State players have been arrested while still playing for State.
    And what I responded to was the accusation of "the UNC way" that some id!ot posted and I quoted.

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