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RE: Davis resists subpoena for personal cell phone records

grggaetner07: I appreciate your admission that not all UNC fans are bad. (Now if you could bother to capitalize UNC as I have capitalized NCSU and will continue to do so.)

You will not believe me; however, I do care about the integrity of UNC-CH and I care about justice. I am not even defending Davis; I am not a football fan and do not know that much about the man. My agrument is twofold: (1) I am a right to privacy person--to the point of being a "nut case" on it--whether it is Davis' privacy, Coach K's privacy or NCSU's coaches' privacy. I simply feel that it is none of anyone's darn business what is on a person's personal cell phone (and yes, I know what the NCGS say). (2) Unless you get recorded conversations of what Davis talked about, you still will not have hard evidence of wrongdoing when you get those phone records. (Wait, some "typical" NCSU and Duke fans will speculate that they have some hard evidence of wrongdoing but it is all speculative.)

You make some good points and I too detest some of those UNC fans. There is one in my hometown and I do not like to be around him. However, here is the way that I figure we all change the atmosphere and get away from the hatred mentality and have a relationship like my Dad and I had. Things can only be changed one person at a time. I am not going to be be the "typical" UNC fan that NCSU fans love to hate. I refuse to play a get-even game. I will show the "class" that I want to be shown to me. I will "let things go, because not doing so will only eat me up inside. 

- Posted by mountainlover

Your only flaw in your position is your willingness to walk away from an incomplete investigation. There are actually a great many details that can be ascertained from simply looking at the business numbers that were dialed on Davis' personal cell. That is precisely why our state recognizes these records as public property when they are used to conduct state tax-payer business. But that has been repeated on this comment thread for 25 pages and you still refuse to recognize the point of this law. Until alum and financial supporters start standing up for integrity, the case will remain an open sore. This is not about hatred as much as it is about demanding the same scrutiny and accountability for all citizens in this state, regardless of the shade of blue on their sweater vest and the team of lawyers and government officials who willfully assist them in hiding behind legal nuances.

RE: Davis resists subpoena for personal cell phone records

grggaetner07: I appreciate your admission that not all UNC fans are bad. (Now if you could bother to capitalize UNC as I have capitalized NCSU and will continue to do so.)

You will not believe me; however, I do care about the integrity of UNC-CH and I care about justice. I am not even defending Davis; I am not a football fan and do not know that much about the man. My agrument is twofold: (1) I am a right to privacy person--to the point of being a "nut case" on it--whether it is Davis' privacy, Coach K's privacy or NCSU's coaches' privacy. I simply feel that it is none of anyone's darn business what is on a person's personal cell phone (and yes, I know what the NCGS say). (2) Unless you get recorded conversations of what Davis talked about, you still will not have hard evidence of wrongdoing when you get those phone records. (Wait, some "typical" NCSU and Duke fans will speculate that they have some hard evidence of wrongdoing but it is all speculative.)

You make some good points and I too detest some of those UNC fans. There is one in my hometown and I do not like to be around him. However, here is the way that I figure we all change the atmosphere and get away from the hatred mentality and have a relationship like my Dad and I had. Things can only be changed one person at a time. I am not going to be be the "typical" UNC fan that NCSU fans love to hate. I refuse to play a get-even game. I will show the "class" that I want to be shown to me. I will "let things go, because not doing so will only eat me up inside.

Tarheel Fans: Why Support Davis at Cost of UNCCH's Integrity?

TBK: For you, perhaps; in your world, anything suspicious relating to UNC-CH leads to a reason to condemn the university and that makes your your day. Getting those phone records will not prove anything to me; only a recording of the conversations would prove something to me. I shall close by saying that I am thankful that my dad raised me better than some people on this thread. He graduated from NCSU and I graduated from UNC-CH. We cheered for each other until they played each other. When they played each other, we watched the game together in the same room and congratulated the other on a good play. After the game, we had dinner together and laughed and talked with other family members. We pulled for other ACC teams if they remained in tournament play after NCSU and UNC had been eliminated. He once stated that Dean Smith was the best basketball coach ever. I was on the road when I heard that Jim Valvano had died. I cried so hard that I had to pull off the road. To sum it up, I do not understand the hatred of some of you folks where you just cannot let something go. Here is wishing all a good day. 

- Posted by mountainlover

I am glad that you had such a decent father and had good experiences together. What you may not display individually as a unc fan is not the prevalent tone that we have heard for decades from 'typical' uncch fans. If you are unable or unwilling to see or admit that there have been very public criticism of NCSU's athletics department by the pro-uncch crowd then I will spell it out for you and all others.

NCSU has not graduated a high percentage of its athletes, especially black male athletes. We have similar academic support staffs. We offer similar majors that should be manageable for an athlete to navigate through to graduation. But we have seen for decades that uncch graduate 80-90% of its black athletes and they have been very critical of NCSU for 'mistreating' our athletes, even accusing NCSU of abusing their athletic gifts for the school's gain.

Now, we are getting a glimpse of the academic shenanigans at uncch and it only confirms what we have suspected for decades. You cannot rub our collective faces in our lower grad rates for those many years and then expect us to have short memories. This is no simple 'OOPS!' moment. Toss in the fact that many of us lived through the Valvano smear campaign of the late 80s/early 90s (an event that has been used against us for many years) and we want to see the same degree of scrutiny applied to your many scandals.

What have we seen over the last sixteen months? Any BOG demands for an independent investigation?....no. Any BOG demand that the SBI be included in the investigation?....no. I won't even go into the media smear campaign that slammed us every day for over a year.

If you truly appreciate uncch, have respect for the rule of law, are concerned about your school's integrity, you would not be arguing about the 216 phone records being released. You would, if you were concerned about justice, demand an immediate release of the data.

RE: Who is Right and Who is Wrong

TBK: For you, perhaps; in your world, anything suspicious relating to UNC-CH leads to a reason to condemn the university and that makes your your day. Getting those phone records will not prove anything to me; only a recording of the conversations would prove something to me. I shall close by saying that I am thankful that my dad raised me better than some people on this thread. He graduated from NCSU and I graduated from UNC-CH. We cheered for each other until they played each other. When they played each other, we watched the game together in the same room and congratulated the other on a good play. After the game, we had dinner together and laughed and talked with other family members. We pulled for other ACC teams if they remained in tournament play after NCSU and UNC had been eliminated. He once stated that Dean Smith was the best basketball coach ever. I was on the road when I heard that Jim Valvano had died. I cried so hard that I had to pull off the road. To sum it up, I do not understand the hatred of some of you folks where you just cannot let something go. Here is wishing all a good day.

RE: Davis resists subpoena for personal cell phone records

TBK: You are wrong in saying that keeping work calls on a work phone and private calls on a cell phone will solve a privacy issue. Also, you obviously have no idea how some state jobs work. One has no control over when a person phones you and most state employees are not going to sit in the office 24-7 to be sure they are there to get that call. There are many cases in which the state employee is required to carry the phone after hours (or have his/her cell available). If that were the case for me, I would use a throw away cell to solve my privacy issue. Second, Davis and Nixon are two entirely different issues and here is why: Nixon had recorded tapes and those tapes told plenty. If Davis' records are released, you have nothing that IS recorded. Third, do I think you have a right to Davis' records? The NCGS say yes. So legally, yes. Ethically, I don't think so. I think you want them because you hate Carolina, not because you want the truth. And just for the record, I would take the same position if this were NCSU's coach on the hotseat or if it were Coach K on the hot seat (and yes, I know Duke is a private school. I am including him for the sake of argument.) Privacy is privacy to me. When you get these records, you will not have anything! 

- Posted by mountainlover

We'll find out very soon who is wrong and who is right, won't we.